Tests show gun owners not as smart

[veritas]

Statistics are neither liberal, or conservative. But you knew that?

However, how one wishes to interpret the conclusion (if there is a conclusion to be arrived at), can take on a liberal or conservative bent.

Whatever conclusion you wish to arrive at or imply is really irrelevant. Guns are here to stay and so is the 2nd amendment. We need to improve background checks, make it easier to detain unstable types and impose tough minimum mandatory sentences for gun crimes. The states which have implemented the last of these are helping to drive down the violent crime rate. By greatly reducing recidivism, we can make big strides against crime. That is the answer, not gun bans which are nothing but window dressing.

[The Astute Reader(tm)]

I doubt that there are many legal gun owners in Baltimore city...

And - surprise, surprise - you'd be wrong AGAIN.

[Sprightly]

I am still laughing about this thread topic. Today I've been thinking about all of the executives with whom I have worked throughout the years. These folks are highly educated and wealthy individuals who, for the most part, couldn't write a paragraph without misspellings or improper word use. That was my job! And then I started thinking about all of the hunting trips I have arranged -- duck, geese, dove, deer, big game, -- in-state; out-of-state --you name it and I've arranged it. Every single one of these men owned multiple weapons. (I know because I've had to arrange for the weapons to be transported.)

I'm going to call the "survey" stupid.

[pcfixer]

Again, no surprises here;

http://www.halfsigma.com/2007/04/dumb_white_peop.html

"Then I compared Wordsum scores (a 10 word vocabulary test which is a good proxy for IQ) to gun ownership for white respondents only (and also only for respondents born in the United States):

"Although the average white American in this sample set has a Wordsum score of 6.29, respondents with the very low Wordsum score of 3 were the most likely to have a gun in their home. As Wordsum score increases, the likelihood of gun ownership decreases."

Kinda biased I think!! Why not do the same test for criminals??

[The Astute Reader(tm)]

http://www.statisticbrain.com/gun-ow...-demographics/

A few stats from 2010:

40% of gun owners say they are Republicans

In other words, less than half.

49% of gun owners say they are conservative

In other words, less than half.

50% of gun owners say they live in the South

And... So what?

44% of gun owners make less than $30K/yr

In other words, less than half.

42% of gun owners have a HS graduate, or less

In other words, less than half.

44% of gun owners are white

And... So what?

....I'd say these statistics are born out by most of the gun advocates on this Forum.

I'd say that you just shot yourself in the [deleted], as more than half of firearms owners do not fit the poor, ignorant white trash model into which you'd like to cram them.

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[ms maggie]

So in other words, a majority of gun owners are liberal, a majority are Democrats, a majority are college grads or higher, and a majority are middle class or above. Also a majority of gun owners are from minority races.

Seems the whole argument of gun owners being angry white conservatives has gone up in smoke.

Indeed, you are an outlier.

No. Look at the link. 35% are Dems, 35% independents.

But this survey is nonsense. Their education numbers, four exclusive categories, add to 150%? Same with geography, add to 148%.

If it's on the internet, it has to be true, right?

[soulflower]

No. Look at the link. 35% are Dems, 35% independents.

But this survey is nonsense. Their education numbers, four exclusive categories, add to 150%? Same with geography, add to 148%.

If it's on the internet, it has to be true, right?

Sometimes a bad poll is just a bad poll

[The Astute Reader(tm)]

If it's on the internet, it has to be true, right?

GASP! You mean not everything on the intenet is true?!?!

[Wild Eyed Southern Boy]

So that snotshot can adopt a false air of superiority. No other reason.

True.

Working for two self made multimillionaires taught me many important lessons. One of which is that, people with real intelligence are much like people with real wealth, in that they do not feel compelled to try and show it off.

[skeemer]

So that snotshot can adopt a false air of superiority. No other reason.

Snotshot; slapstick; I like them both. How about slapsnot?

I do appreciate that he offers me my doctor recommended daily dose of laughter. It does the body good.

[ms maggie]

GASP! You mean not everything on the intenet is true?!?!

Generally speaking, actually reading something can give you a clue of its veracity.

[slapshot]

In other words, less than half.



In other words, less than half.



And... So what?



In other words, less than half.



In other words, less than half.



And... So what?



I'd say that you just shot yourself in the arse, as more than half of firearms owners do not fit the poor, ignorant white trash model into which you'd like to cram them.

Ignorant snobbery doesn't work well for most folks. But on you it looks downright natural.

LMAO.

Becoming unhinged, are we?

You gun folks are fun to play with....

[The Astute Reader(tm)]

LMAO.

Becoming unhinged, are we?

You gun folks are fun to play with....

Just having a good laugh. And remember, we're not laughing with you, we are laughing at you.

[Contumacious]

Tests show gun owners not as smart
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I read that. Unbelievable.

I understand that as a result thereof , Obama has ordered the Secret Service, the US Marshalls and the security detail at his daughters' school replaced by smart UNARMED guards.

Keep them coming genius.

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[Baltimatt]

No. Look at the link. 35% are Dems, 35% independents.

But this survey is nonsense. Their education numbers, four exclusive categories, add to 150%? Same with geography, add to 148%.

If it's on the internet, it has to be true, right?

I noticed a problem like that before, but then I though the numbers aren't supposed to add up to 100%, but are indicative are the percentage in each category that owns guns.

Still, dividing the population in to White, Non-White, and Black?

[slapshot]

No. Look at the link. 35% are Dems, 35% independents.

But this survey is nonsense. Their education numbers, four exclusive categories, add to 150%? Same with geography, add to 148%.

If it's on the internet, it has to be true, right?

Sometimes a bad poll is just a bad poll

Actually, if you go to the source, ie, Gallup, the explaination is a bit clearer:

In 2010, the Gallup poll (based on "self reporting") showed that approximately 39% of Americans owned a gun. Further, the way to think of the breakdown, by category (ie, race, sex, education, location, etc) is as follows....35% of the Dems group (ie, bin), said they owned a gun, 35% of Independent group (bin), said they owned a gun and 49% of Republicans who self reported, said they owned a gun. In the education category: 42% with a HS diploma (or less) reported having a gun; the group with soime college education self reported 41% owned a gun; graduates with a college degree, self reported that 37% of them owned a gun...and those with post graduate self reported that only 30% of that group owned a gun.

The numbers are not intended to add up to 100%. But the trend is quite clear. Been looking for the estimates on +/- error.

[slapshot]

I read that. Unbelievable.

I understand that as a result thereof , Obama has ordered the Secret Service, the US Marshalls and the security detail at his daughters' school replaced by smart UNARMED guards.

Keep them coming genius. .

I'm sorry that this topic is way over your head.

[Contumacious]

I'm sorry that this topic is way over your head.

I read that. Unbelievable.

I understand that as a result thereof , Obama has ordered the Secret Service, the US Marshalls and the security detail at his daughters' school replaced by smart UNARMED guards.

Keep them coming genius. .

Of course, it is.


In 2010, the Gallup poll (based on "self reporting")


Now, explain how gallop convinced the criminal element to "self report".


Also explain, did the parasites claim to be gun owners to make us look bad?

[ms maggie]

Actually, if you go to the source, ie, Gallup, the explaination is a bit clearer:

In 2010, the Gallup poll (based on "self reporting") showed that approximately 39% of Americans owned a gun. Further, the way to think of the breakdown, by category (ie, race, sex, education, location, etc) is as follows....35% of the Dems group (ie, bin), said they owned a gun, 35% of Independent group (bin), said they owned a gun and 49% of Republicans who self reported, said they owned a gun. In the education category: 42% with a HS diploma (or less) reported having a gun; the group with soime college education self reported 41% owned a gun; graduates with a college degree, self reported that 37% of them owned a gun...and those with post graduate self reported that only 30% of that group owned a gun.

The numbers are not intended to add up to 100%. But the trend is quite clear. Been looking for the estimates on +/- error.

Thanks, that makes sense at least! Check out the Pew poll I posted earlier on the thread.

[slapshot]

Now, explain how gallop convinced the criminal element to "self report".


Also explain, did the parasites claim to be gun owners to make us look bad?

As I said, when I find information of the error bars, I'll be sure to share them with you.

In the meantime, I'm pretty confident that the "criminal element", had they self reported, would have been grouped into the following bins (a) uneducted; (b) low income and (c) don't vote, so no party affiliation. ...I would also expect most to be in their teens or 20's.

(a) and (b) just further supports my position, with (c) an irrelevant factor. Thanks.

You guys are fun to play with....