A stroll down gun control memory lane

[skeemer]

An op-ed piece from a British newspaper?

The fact is, there's no evidence that Holder or Obama were involved in F&F.

As the executives of the Justice Department and Executive Branch, they are culpable whether they were involved or not. Such is the price of holding the position.

[soulflower]

As the executives of the Justice Department and Executive Branch, they are culpable whether they were involved or not. Such is the price of holding the position.

I agree but Sprightly implied that they were directly involved as if they gave the order for the operation when there's no evidence of direct involvement by the AG or the WH.

[soulflower]

Soulflower - Yes, an opinion piece. One that brings up some good points. It's been clear for almost five years that you will not allow Holder and Obama to be stained. Everything is the fault of those before them. Everything.

It's clear that you will lie and mislead to attack Obama and protect Bush...

[Contumacious]

Does not address the topic of this thread.

Did you mean that the post is embarrassing to the administration.

Americans are required to register their weapons with a potential enemy, the federal government . They also do do not have a right to high capacity magazines.

Nevertheless, those chosen by fedgov are permitted to have both --no questions asked.

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[Sprightly]

I agree but Sprightly implied that they were directly involved as if they gave the order for the operation when there's no evidence of direct involvement by the AG or the WH.

Dry your tears. I said that he is responsible. But he's not responsible for anything negative -- ever, right? Right.

[Sprightly]

It's clear that you will lie and mislead to attack Obama and protect Bush...

I haven't lied about anything. Your president has more of a Teflon coating than Bill Clinton ever did. But that doesn't mean that he's clean.

[soulflower]

Dry your tears. I said that he is responsible. But he's not responsible for anything negative -- ever, right? Right.

He's not responsible. Nor is Holder.

You were bamboozled by Fox News again. Get over it.

[Sprightly]

He's not responsible. Nor is Holder.

You were bamboozled by Fox News again. Get over it.

Of course he isn't. Bush was still POTUS in 2009. And I thought you smarter than to pull the "Fox" card with someone you disagree with. Guess not. What's next? I'm racist?

[soulflower]

Of course he isn't. Bush was still POTUS in 2009. And I thought you smarter than to pull the "Fox" card with someone you disagree with. Guess not. What's next? I'm racist?

Don't be such a drama queen

I'm just keeping you honest

[Contumacious]

Based on their views regarding gun control:

Reagan Only Supported Gun Control Because He Was Senile, Prominent Gun Advocate Suggests...

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Reagan's - or any other politican - views on gun control are irrelevant . Our right to bear arms and defend our lives is unalienable; the 2A has not been amended .

[Sprightly]

Don't be such a drama queen

I'm just keeping you honest

As soon as you stop acting like you gave birth to those you defend w/o conscience.

[soulflower]

As soon as you stop acting like you gave birth to those you defend w/o conscience.

Stop giving me opportunities to defend them

[Sprightly]

Stop giving me opportunities to defend them

I don't need to give you opportunities, soulflower. If it were just you and Obama (or you and Holder) in a room and he passed gas, you would take the blame just so that he doesn't look bad. It's just weird.

Oh wait. Their gas doesn't stink.

[reg_indy]

Reagan's - or any other politican - views on gun control are irrelevant . Our right to bear arms and defend our lives is unalienable; the 2A has not been amended .

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012...l-legislation/

[Contumacious]

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012...l-legislation/

Scalia. nor any Justice, has the right to reduce a right to privilege. I hope Americans understand that and will ignore any ruling stating otherwise.

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[soulflower]

I don't need to give you opportunities, soulflower. If it were just you and Obama (or you and Holder) in a room and he passed gas, you would take the blame just so that he doesn't look bad. It's just weird.

Oh wait. Their gas doesn't stink.

Holder may be a lousy AG and may have misled on F&F for political reasons. That doesn't mean he's responsible for what the ATF did which you seemed to have been implying.

[reg_indy]

Scalia. nor any Justice, has the right to reduce a right to privilege. I hope Americans understand that and will ignore any ruling stating otherwise.

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Not much on the USA Democracy thing are you?

[Contumacious]

Not much on the USA Democracy thing are you?

Nope.

It was NEVER intended for the US to be a democracy.

We are supposed to be a CONSTITUTIONAL REPUBLIC where our rights are secured and not subject to majorities or to the discretion or federal bureaucrats.

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[ODENTON]

Based on their views regarding gun control:

Reagan Only Supported Gun Control Because He Was Senile, Prominent Gun Advocate Suggests...

Reagan supported gun safety measures throughout his political career. In 1986, he signed into law the Firearm Owners Protection Act, which “banned ownership of any fully automatic rifles that were not already registered on the day the law was signed.” He later backed the Brady bill, expressing support for “a seven-day waiting period before a purchaser could take possession of a handgun, an even more stringent restriction than the five day cooling-off period that was included in the final legislation, and less stringent than the 15-day cooling-off period he signed into law as governor of California.”

Brady bill

Was Regan senile when supporting gun comtrol

Bush I& II
Nixon
They were all for gun control

In 1969, journalist William Safire asked Richard Nixon what he thought about gun control. "Guns are an abomination," Nixon replied. According to Safire, Nixon went on to confess that, "Free from fear of gun owners' retaliation at the polls, he favored making handguns illegal and requiring licenses for hunting rifles."

Bush II
Supports stronger enforcement of existing gun laws, would provide more funding for aggressive gun law enforcement programs such as Project Exile in Richmond, Virginia
Supports requiring instant background checks at gun shows by allowing gun show promoters to access the instant check system on behalf of vendors
Supports law-abiding American’s constitutional right to own guns to protect their families and home
Supports the current ban on automatic weapons
Supports banning the importation of foreign made, “high-capacity” ammunition clips
Supports voluntary safety locks
Opposes government mandated registration of all guns owned by law abiding citizens

Source: GeorgeWBush.com: ‘Issues: Policy Points Overview’ Apr 2, 2000

I won't even hunt down a quote from Bush I because it's already common knowledge how he felt.

And yet Obama is a fascist,tyrannical, megalomaniac who as King of America wants to take everyone's guns !!!

I hate to say this because I like to think my country more evolved. Obama is none of those above mentioned personalities many of you here and in the right wing media complex claim him to be. But, what is he is that none of the presidents mentioned above are, What Pres. Obama is, he's black.

Now tell me true that that has nothing to do with the rhetoric, the hate the assault against even his children regarding this gun matter.

Tell me true his being black has nothing to do with it.


sidebar: Real tyrants don't ask for anything they take it.

Reagan...Bush1 and Bushcatastrophe were for Gun Control, who would have guess.

Extremist have brainwashed the feeble minded into believing everything is a conspiracy and to a point, have had success with the feeble minded.

[Mom49of4]

Holder Begs Court to Stop Document Release on Fast and Furious

Attorney General Eric Holder and his Department of Justice have asked a federal court to indefinitely delay a lawsuit brought by watchdog group Judicial Watch. The lawsuit seeks the enforcement of open records requests relating to Operation Fast and Furious, as required by law.

Judicial Watch had filed, on June 22, 2012, a Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) request seeking all documents relating to Operation Fast and Furious and “specifically [a]ll records subject to the claim of executive privilege invoked by President Barack Obama on or about June 20, 2012.”

The administration has refused to comply with Judicial Watch’s FOIA request, and in mid-September the group filed a lawsuit challenging Holder’s denial. That lawsuit remains ongoing but within the past week President Barack Obama’s administration filed what’s called a “motion to stay” the suit. Such a motion is something that if granted would delay the lawsuit indefinitely.