A stroll down gun control memory lane

[ms maggie]

Ok sports fans, here we go:

Reagan[http://www.nytimes.com/1991/03/29/op...rady-bill.html[/QUOTE]
http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/ron...t-weapons-ban/

How about Bush 1?
http://m.dailykos.com/story/2012/12/...n-from-the-NRA

Bush the younger?

http://www.nytimes.com/2003/05/08/us...t-weapons.html

Interesting. The drift of the R to the fringe right is pretty disturbing.

[songfourone]

Bueller..Bueller....Bueller....

[AttackPlanR]

Looks like Reagan, Bush the Elder, and bush jr. all hated America, and hated freedom even more.

Why did they hate freedom so much?

[Contumacious]

Attorney General Eric Holder who has said we need to “brainwash” people about gun ownership, yet ironically, was the lead law enforcement officer in charge of an operation that transferred (without a background check or registration, no less!) military style assault rifles with high capacity magazines to the Los Zetas Mexican drug cartel.

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[georjec2]

Based on their views regarding gun control:

Reagan Only Supported Gun Control Because He Was Senile, Prominent Gun Advocate Suggests...

Reagan supported gun safety measures throughout his political career. In 1986, he signed into law the Firearm Owners Protection Act, which “banned ownership of any fully automatic rifles that were not already registered on the day the law was signed.” He later backed the Brady bill, expressing support for “a seven-day waiting period before a purchaser could take possession of a handgun, an even more stringent restriction than the five day cooling-off period that was included in the final legislation, and less stringent than the 15-day cooling-off period he signed into law as governor of California.”

Brady bill

Was Regan senile when supporting gun comtrol

Bush I& II
Nixon
They were all for gun control

In 1969, journalist William Safire asked Richard Nixon what he thought about gun control. "Guns are an abomination," Nixon replied. According to Safire, Nixon went on to confess that, "Free from fear of gun owners' retaliation at the polls, he favored making handguns illegal and requiring licenses for hunting rifles."

Bush II
Supports stronger enforcement of existing gun laws, would provide more funding for aggressive gun law enforcement programs such as Project Exile in Richmond, Virginia
Supports requiring instant background checks at gun shows by allowing gun show promoters to access the instant check system on behalf of vendors
Supports law-abiding American’s constitutional right to own guns to protect their families and home
Supports the current ban on automatic weapons
Supports banning the importation of foreign made, “high-capacity” ammunition clips
Supports voluntary safety locks
Opposes government mandated registration of all guns owned by law abiding citizens

Source: GeorgeWBush.com: ‘Issues: Policy Points Overview’ Apr 2, 2000

I won't even hunt down a quote from Bush I because it's already common knowledge how he felt.

And yet Obama is a fascist,tyrannical, megalomaniac who as King of America wants to take everyone's guns !!!

I hate to say this because I like to think my country more evolved. Obama is none of those above mentioned personalities many of you here and in the right wing media complex claim him to be. But, what is he is that none of the presidents mentioned above are, What Pres. Obama is, he's black.

Now tell me true that that has nothing to do with the rhetoric, the hate the assault against even his children regarding this gun matter.

Tell me true his being black has nothing to do with it.


sidebar: Real tyrants don't ask for anything they take it.

[Jeebus]

So.... if the gun control laws put in place by Bush, Bush, and Reagan were so lovingly approved of by the gun grab-nutters, why do we need any more ineffective laws?

Because somehow, the criminal thugs will obey laws favored by a fellow lodge member?

Puh-lease.

Give it up, nutters - the grabbers don't have the votes, everything stays status quo.

[ms maggie]

So.... if the gun control laws put in place by Bush, Bush, and Reagan were so lovingly approved of by the gun grab-nutters, why do we need any more ineffective laws?

Because somehow, the criminal thugs will obey laws favored by a fellow lodge member?

Puh-lease.

Give it up, nutters - the grabbers don't have the votes, everything stays status quo.

What laws did they pass while POTUS?

Would you say that relative to your degree of confidence in yr election prediction, you are more or less confident in yr prediction re gun safety laws?

[georjec2]

Attorney General Eric Holder who has said we need to “brainwash” people about gun ownership, yet ironically, was the lead law enforcement officer in charge of an operation that transferred (without a background check or registration, no less!) military style assault rifles with high capacity magazines to the Los Zetas Mexican drug cartel.

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Does not address the topic of this thread.

[reg_indy]

Does not address the topic of this thread.

In that vein:

http://www.slate.com/articles/news_a..._and_drug.html

[soulflower]

Attorney General Eric Holder who has said we need to “brainwash” people about gun ownership, yet ironically, was the lead law enforcement officer in charge of an operation that transferred (without a background check or registration, no less!) military style assault rifles with high capacity magazines to the Los Zetas Mexican drug cartel.

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That's either false or intentionally misleading. F&F wasn't Holder's idea. He was responsible for it after the fact...

[Gopher]

Based on their views regarding gun control:

Reagan Only Supported Gun Control Because He Was Senile, Prominent Gun Advocate Suggests...

Reagan supported gun safety measures throughout his political career. In 1986, he signed into law the Firearm Owners Protection Act, which “banned ownership of any fully automatic rifles that were not already registered on the day the law was signed.” He later backed the Brady bill, expressing support for “a seven-day waiting period before a purchaser could take possession of a handgun, an even more stringent restriction than the five day cooling-off period that was included in the final legislation, and less stringent than the 15-day cooling-off period he signed into law as governor of California.”

Brady bill

Was Regan senile when supporting gun comtrol

Bush I& II
Nixon
They were all for gun control

In 1969, journalist William Safire asked Richard Nixon what he thought about gun control. "Guns are an abomination," Nixon replied. According to Safire, Nixon went on to confess that, "Free from fear of gun owners' retaliation at the polls, he favored making handguns illegal and requiring licenses for hunting rifles."

Bush II
Supports stronger enforcement of existing gun laws, would provide more funding for aggressive gun law enforcement programs such as Project Exile in Richmond, Virginia
Supports requiring instant background checks at gun shows by allowing gun show promoters to access the instant check system on behalf of vendors
Supports law-abiding American’s constitutional right to own guns to protect their families and home
Supports the current ban on automatic weapons
Supports banning the importation of foreign made, “high-capacity” ammunition clips
Supports voluntary safety locks
Opposes government mandated registration of all guns owned by law abiding citizens

Source: GeorgeWBush.com: ‘Issues: Policy Points Overview’ Apr 2, 2000

I won't even hunt down a quote from Bush I because it's already common knowledge how he felt.

And yet Obama is a fascist,tyrannical, megalomaniac who as King of America wants to take everyone's guns !!!

I hate to say this because I like to think my country more evolved. Obama is none of those above mentioned personalities many of you here and in the right wing media complex claim him to be. But, what is he is that none of the presidents mentioned above are, What Pres. Obama is, he's black.

Now tell me true that that has nothing to do with the rhetoric, the hate the assault against even his children regarding this gun matter.

Tell me true his being black has nothing to do with it.


sidebar: Real tyrants don't ask for anything they take it.

When it comes to this particular issue, I absolutely loathe Dianne Feinstein, Frank Lautenberg, Chuck Schumer, Andrew Cuomo, Michael Bloomberg, Tom Menino, Martin O’Malley, Josh Horowitz, Sarah Brady, Josh Sugarmann, Rahm Emanuel, Paul Helmke, Carolyn McCarthy and Richard Daley just to name a few. You won’t find many in the gun rights community that have anything nice to say about any of them. I doubt anyone could say anything about them that would upset me. Sometimes the comments are deemed by some to be a bit vile and maybe a little over-the-top but, in most cases, they’re more than deserving of the scorn that is reaped upon them. In addition to be being progressives and strong advocates of citizen disarmament, you might notice that the individuals I named above all have something else in common. They’re all white. Just like invoking the name of Ronald Reagan to support your cause, your desire to make this a racial issue is not going to work out for you either. Mr. Obama doesn’t get a pass just because he is black. You might as well get used to that.

The progressive pukes over at the Coalition to Stop Gun Violence are running an ad in Georgia directed at a Congressman John Barrow. He has indicated they he will not support an assault weapons ban. With the help of a little selective editing of his comments and some creative videography, the ad suggests that his unwillingness to do so basically makes him and the NRA both supporters of slaughtering school children. I think the ad is a little over-the-top. I doubt too many progressives will agree with me because they see it as the truth. You probably agree with them as well. I’m okay with that. The progressives have decided that’s an acceptable tactic. They’ve been doing it for decades. I agree with them. Therefore, and as far as I’m concerned, nothing is off the table no matter how vile and over-the-top. If it happens to spill over a little bit to the families of the civilian disarmament crowd then so be it. It’s just collateral damage.

[reg_indy]

When it comes to this particular issue, I absolutely loathe Dianne Feinstein, Frank Lautenberg, Chuck Schumer, Andrew Cuomo, Michael Bloomberg, Tom Menino, Martin O’Malley, Josh Horowitz, Sarah Brady, Josh Sugarmann, Rahm Emanuel, Paul Helmke, Carolyn McCarthy and Richard Daley just to name a few. You won’t find many in the gun rights community that have anything nice to say about any of them. I doubt anyone could say anything about them that would upset me. Sometimes the comments are deemed by some to be a bit vile and maybe a little over-the-top but, in most cases, they’re more than deserving of the scorn that is reaped upon them. In addition to be being progressives and strong advocates of citizen disarmament, you might notice that the individuals I named above all have something else in common. They’re all white. Just like invoking the name of Ronald Reagan to support your cause, your desire to make this a racial issue is not going to work out for you either. Mr. Obama doesn’t get a pass just because he is black. You might as well get used to that.

The progressive pukes over at the Coalition to Stop Gun Violence are running an ad in Georgia directed at a Congressman John Barrow. He has indicated they he will not support an assault weapons ban. With the help of a little selective editing of his comments and some creative videography, the ad suggests that his unwillingness to do so basically makes him and the NRA both supporters of slaughtering school children. I think the ad is a little over-the-top. I doubt too many progressives will agree with me because they see it as the truth. You probably agree with them as well. I’m okay with that. The progressives have decided that’s an acceptable tactic. They’ve been doing it for decades. I agree with them. Therefore, and as far as I’m concerned, nothing is off the table no matter how vile and over-the-top. If it happens to spill over a little bit to the families of the civilian disarmament crowd then so be it. It’s just collateral damage.

Seems a little over ther top.

[llubon]

Ok sports fans, here we go:

Reagan[http://www.nytimes.com/1991/03/29/op...rady-bill.html

http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/ron...t-weapons-ban/

How about Bush 1?
http://m.dailykos.com/story/2012/12/...n-from-the-NRA

Bush the younger?

http://www.nytimes.com/2003/05/08/us...t-weapons.html

Interesting. The drift of the R to the fringe right is pretty disturbing.[/QUOTE]




It was time then and it is time now. Everything needs adjusting and tuning now and then, any sensible gun owner will know that.

[Sprightly]

That's either false or intentionally misleading. F&F wasn't Holder's idea. He was responsible for it after the fact...

Wow, soulflower. Stop it. It began in 2009. You may not like it, you may love that s.o.b. Holder, but own it.

[ms maggie]

Wow, soulflower. Stop it. It began in 2009. You may not like it, you may love that s.o.b. Holder, but own it.

it started under Bush under any code name. Same program, different day. which doesn't make Holder any less responsible

[Sprightly]

it started under Bush under any code name. Same program, different day. which doesn't make Holder any less responsible

F&F. 2009. Obama. Holder. Fact

[soulflower]

F&F. 2009. Obama. Holder. Fact

You're fibbing again Sprightly

"Holder said he didn’t know about Fast and Furious before Terry was killed on Dec. 14, 2010 in southern Arizona. An 18-month independent investigation by the Justice Department’s inspector general found no evidence to the contrary, according to a report released Wednesday."

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/...e190_blog.html

[Sprightly]

You're fibbing again Sprightly

"Holder said he didn’t know about Fast and Furious before Terry was killed on Dec. 14, 2010 in southern Arizona. An 18-month independent investigation by the Justice Department’s inspector general found no evidence to the contrary, according to a report released Wednesday."

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/...e190_blog.html

Eric Holder's exoneration by Fast and Furious report strains credibility

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisf...furious-report

Exactly.

[soulflower]

Eric Holder's exoneration by Fast and Furious report strains credibility

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisf...furious-report

Exactly.

An op-ed piece from a British newspaper?

The fact is, there's no evidence that Holder or Obama were involved in F&F.

[Sprightly]

An op-ed piece from a British newspaper?

The fact is, there's no evidence that Holder or Obama were involved in F&F.

Soulflower - Yes, an opinion piece. One that brings up some good points. It's been clear for almost five years that you will not allow Holder and Obama to be stained. Everything is the fault of those before them. Everything.