Time to ban dogs, hot dogs and balloons

[slapshot]

I specifially mentioned gang activity, si?

....as well as suicides, si?

By most people's definitions, suicide victims are "innocents". This group represents a large percentage of those killed by guns.

Oh, and I don't presume to know anything about what you read, or didn't read. Fact is, people post links on here to articles without reading them all the way through....and that is especially true if the article is lengthy.

[georjec2]

Twenty first graders were shot 3-11 time each and still people come and make weak comparisons vs. what people are in a uproar about namely gun laws and how easy it is for anybody to get one. I think you should be able to get a gun. I think you should be able to get several or even more than several guns. I just don't think it should be as simplistic a process as it currently is.

Do you remember 1st grade ?

[SoSad]

....as well as suicides, si?

By most people's definitions, suicide victims are "innocents". This group represents a large percentage of those killed by guns.

Oh, and I don't presume to know anything about what you read, or didn't read. Fact is, people post links on here to articles without reading them all the way through....and that is especially true if the article is lengthy.

If I wanted to commit suicide and didn't have a gun handy, I'm sure I'd find another way to kill myself. The fact that a gun was not available wouldn't stop me. It is a mindset, not the the tool used as a means to an end.


As for your other comment, I don't believe you can state something as a "fact" without supporting it unless you are refering only to yourself of course.

And please, none of this 'go find it for yourself' nonsense. You made the claim that this was a fact and it is up to you to provide proof, or it's simply false.

[SoSad]

Twenty first graders were shot 3-11 time each and still people come and make weak comparisons vs. what people are in a uproar about namely gun laws and how easy it is for anybody to get one. I think you should be able to get a gun. I think you should be able to get several or even more than several guns. I just don't think it should be as simplistic a process as it currently is.

Do you remember 1st grade ?

It's not easy in California to legally own a gun. It's about to become impossible, but the key word is 'legally'. As I have stated before, I don't own a gun nor do I have any desire to own a gun. What is so simplistic about the process?

I remember 1st grade well, and can't imagine what the poor kids involved in these shootings had to endure throughout this tragedies.

[slapshot]

If I wanted to commit suicide and didn't have a gun handy, I'm sure I'd find another way to kill myself. The fact that a gun was not available wouldn't stop me. It is a mindset, not the the tool used as a means to an end.

In some cases, you would be correct....but not in most cases of suicide.

Many studies have shown that most suicides are IMPULSIVE reactions. Something happens, which triggers the sudden and impulsive urge to kill themselves.

Talk to any teen, and many, if brutally honest, have thought about suicide at one time or another. I've spoken to some of my students about such things....and many have said they all knew someone, including themselves, who thought about it. Maybe not seriously, but most have given it thought. How could they not - it's contained in the lyrics of many popular pop songs, movies, etc.

It's fact that easy access to a gun home can make suicide an quick reality. Take away easy opportunity, and studies have shown that these impulses subside - for many. Not all.

Do you have kids? Have you ever talked to them about suicide (assuming they are old enough to discuss)? For most parents, this is a taboo topic never discussed with their kids.

As for your other comment, I don't believe you can state something as a "fact" without supporting it unless you are refering only to yourself of course.

And please, none of this 'go find it for yourself' nonsense. You made the claim that this was a fact and it is up to you to provide proof, or it's simply false.

Excuse me? I presented links to the data.

You simply choose to ignore suicide cases as "innocents". That's where you and I clearly disagree.

[slapshot]

SoSad -

Just one of many that point to the impulsive factor in suicides:

http://www.hsph.harvard.edu/means-ma...r/impulsivity/

"While some suicides are deliberative and involve careful planning, many appear to have an impulsive component and occur during a short-term crisis. Chronic, underlying risk factors such as substance abuse and depression are also often present, but the acute period of heightened risk for suicidal behavior is often only minutes or hours long (Hawton 2007).

The Houston study interviewed 153 survivors of nearly-lethal suicide attempts, ages 13-34. Survivors of nearly-lethal attempts were thought to be more like suicide completers due to the medical severity of their injuries or the lethality of the methods used. They were asked: “How much time passed between the time you decided to complete suicide and when you actually attempted suicide?”

One in four deliberated for less than 5 minutes! And nine out of ten deliberated less than a day (Simon 2005)."

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Guns that are easily available in the home, provide a quick, and often lethal means to those driven to suicide by a short term impulse.

Other means, such as an over-dose of pills, poisons, hanging, etc are far less certain lethal means of suicide....and often require some time to execute. A gun shot to the head is quick, painless and very deadly.

I'll ask this question again - Is the kid who was bullied in school, or ridiculed on the Internet, any less innocent when he takes his own life by a gun....than the person on the street who is killed by a stray shot? I don't think that he is. But I guess you do?

[Grindelwald]

Exactly; you didn't specify anything at all.

For me, it depends on the severity of the injuries sustained in each case, and whether or not it's a long drawn out painful act as opposed to a quick bite, etc.

Dogs killing people are pretty rare. Unless they're rabid.

[Mom49of4]

Dogs killing people are pretty rare. Unless they're rabid.

That is not true.

[Grindelwald]

That is not true.

Can you back that up?

[Mom49of4]

Not all dogs that kill have rabies.

[Grindelwald]

Yeah. I said 'rare'.

[Eastside Terp]

Dogs killing people are pretty rare. Unless they're rabid.

actually, its the exact opposite ......

while death by dog is not common, death from rabies is much rarer than death by mauling ......

In this century, the number of human deaths in the United States attributed to rabies has declined from 100 or more each year to an average of 2 or 3 each year.

http://www.cdc.gov/rabies/location/u...an_rabies.html

38 U.S. fatal dog attacks occurred in 2012

http://www.dogsbite.org/dog-bite-sta...ities-2012.php

[Grindelwald]

I stand corrected then. Dogs killing people are rare, period. That just proves my point further.