Time to ban dogs, hot dogs and balloons

[Bmoreteacher]

In 2011, an estimated 2.5 million people were newly infected with HIV, 330,000 were under the age of 15. In 2011, 1.7 million people died from AIDS.

Perhaps we should ban gay men.

Perhaps you could crawl back into the sewer you came from. Thanks!

[flyboy56]

Since 1979, about 119,000 kids have been killed via firearms. Ready to stop bringing up foolish issues and discuss this one?

Are you ready to start talking about the missing children issue who may still be alive and being tortured?

[Bmoreteacher]

Are you ready to start talking about the missing children issue who may still be alive and being tortured?

What?

[slapshot]

What about dogs? Are they safe for children? Should we ban all dogs, or just some dogs?



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this relates to non-fatal dog bites treated in the hospital in 2001:

Most dog bites occur at home....family dog biting a child who lives in the home.

Dogs are pack animals, and people need to learn hat inherited trait when they bring a particular dog into their home. Most dogs listen (and obey) the alpha adult in he family....after that, it becomes a pecking order. In many breeds, it's not an issue, but with some that can be more aggressive, it's very important that the dogs be trained, and learn thir PLACE in the family pack.

[slapshot]

I would also add, as someone who has always had dogs (in pairs) his entire life, that besides traing and breed of the dog, the sex of the dog is also important in pack behavior. Male dogs usually want to move up in the pack pecking order, and can be more aggressive - both to family members, and other dogs. Females don't seem that interested in trying to move up in the pecking order, and as such, are generally more gentile.

[SoSad]

Would you rather get shot or bit by a dog?

If they both end in fatalities, gun please.

[Grindelwald]

I said nothing about fatalities.

[SoSad]

Some people have banned pit bulls and similar breeds due to their increased likelihood of attacks. Regardless, I believe dogs attack when people fail to train them or treat them properly. None of that is really relevant to the gun debate, though. It seems you're looking for a red herring, as gurgles was with his ridiculous comparison to balloon deaths.

Nope no red herring. I thought this was the topic.

[Eastside Terp]

Yes I did. Check the link, please

not really, he asked you to expand on the age of these "kids" .....

the link says kids and teens ......

as others and he said, lots of these teens include the crimes we read about everyday in the inner city......

not saying every life isn't precious, but it is somewhat misleading to post these numbers and to imply its just "kids" on a thread that is talking about accidents that kill kids .......

[slapshot]

not really, he asked you to expand on the age of these "kids" .....

the link says kids and teens ......

as others and he said, lots of these teens include the crimes we read about everyday in the inner city......

not saying every life isn't precious, but it is somewhat misleading to post these numbers and to imply its just "kids" on a thread that is talking about accidents that kill kids .......

I'm pretty sure that in most of these studies/statistics, anyone under the ge of 18 is considered a child. Although, definitions can differ.

But if you want an honest discussion about guns and child deaths and injuries from guns, then you might read this. It has many of the facts you seek. I think in some of the statistics here, teens (ie, ages 13-19) are separated out from kids younger than 13.

http://www.childrensdefense.org/chil...-guns-2012.pdf

Here is an interesting statistic:

"Of the 116,385 children and teens killed by a gun since 1979, when gun data by age were first collected, 44,038 were Black—nearly 13 times more than the number of recorded lynchings of Black people of all ages in the 86 years from 1882 to 1968. Even so, more White than Black children and teens have died from gun violence."

[Jeebus]

110 kids die from balloons since 1973? Compared to how many firearm deaths, again? Surely you're not serious gurgles?

How many deaths by "x" are acceptable to you?

Wasn't the phrase "if we can save just one life it's worth it" bandied about when talking about firearms bans?

Or is that only when we talk about firearms?

I guess the lives lost by choking on a balloon or drowning in a bucket are not worth it to you?

[Jeebus]

Here is an interesting statistic:

"Of the 116,385 children and teens killed by a gun since 1979, when gun data by age were first collected, 44,038 were Black—nearly 13 times more than the number of recorded lynchings of Black people of all ages in the 86 years from 1882 to 1968. Even so, more White than Black children and teens have died from gun violence."

How many were not involved in illegal activities that led to their deaths?

Counting gang and murders of 15-18yo drug dealers and gangbangers is, ahem, worthless.

I value a kid who choked on a balloon much more than some 19yo thug rock slanger.

[Grindelwald]

How many deaths by "x" are acceptable to you?

Seek help. 3 or 4 kids die from choking on a balloon a year since 1973. Over 10000 deaths by firearms per year. Try get the numbers closer together before asking stupid questions like this.

RWNJ's comparing balloons to guns, what's next.

[slapshot]

Love this quote -

"And then there is one that has personal meaning for me:* hot dogs. *Every year, between 66 and 77 children choke to death on food. *The biggest culprit?* The hot dog.* My son almost choked to death on a hot dog at a little league baseball game a few years ago.* That day still sends shivers up my spine. *No child should be allowed near any such food, and frankly, neither should adults. *These are dangerous food items that can kill if not eaten responsibly.* The fact is: hot dogs kill."


As they say at my favorite burger place in CP, Checkers, "Gotta Eat"

I guess it all boils down to two things: (1) necessity and (2) Probability.

Hot dogs are a necessity to any home BBQ. So, given the number of hot dogs eaten every year....is it probable that one will choke to death on a dog? don't think so given the sheer number of those tasty snacks consumed.

[slapshot]

How many were not involved in illegal activities that led to their deaths?

Counting gang and murders of 15-18yo drug dealers and gangbangers is, ahem, worthless.

I value a kid who choked on a balloon much more than some 19yo thug rock slanger.

I'm sure you do

If one were to assume (I have no data on this) that a large percentage (not all, but most) drug trafficking and "gang banging" is done by minority groups....then the fact that more white kids are killed by guns, than blacks is an interesting, if not shocking, statistic, IMO.

[SoSad]

I'm pretty sure that in most of these studies/statistics, anyone under the ge of 18 is considered a child. Although, definitions can differ.

But if you want an honest discussion about guns and child deaths and injuries from guns, then you might read this. It has many of the facts you seek. I think in some of the statistics here, teens (ie, ages 13-19) are separated out from kids younger than 13.

http://www.childrensdefense.org/chil...-guns-2012.pdf

Here is an interesting statistic:

"Of the 116,385 children and teens killed by a gun since 1979, when gun data by age were first collected, 44,038 were Black—nearly 13 times more than the number of recorded lynchings of Black people of all ages in the 86 years from 1882 to 1968. Even so, more White than Black children and teens have died from gun violence."

Within those age 18 and under, how do you differentiate between the ones that are innocently killed, and those killed as a result of gang activity or suicide? We can't necessarily resolve the gang and suicide issues with gun control.

[slapshot]

Within those age 18 and under, how do you differentiate between the ones that are innocently killed, and those killed as a result of gang activity or suicide? We can't necessarily resolve the gang and suicide issues with gun control.

Says you.

I already provided links to some of the data you asked for.

I have no desire, nor interest to repeat....seek, and you will find your own answers.

That said, there is limited data that differentiates innocents, from non innocents. But as I said to Jeebus, most people consider those killed by guns in suicides, or accidents, as innocents. But you are free to make up your own definition. I don't care...

[ms maggie]

The issue here is poorly framed and poorly discussed. What are your concrete and specific ideas for solving or reducing gun deaths that will not infringe on th second amendment as it has ben interpreted by the Suprme Court.

Obamas plan. Nothing therein conflicts w the Courts positions.

[SoSad]

Says you.

I already provided links to some of the data you asked for.

I have no desire, nor interest to repeat....seek, and you will find your own answers.

That said, there is limited data that differentiates innocents, from non innocents. But as I said to Jeebus, most people consider those killed by guns in suicides, or accidents, as innocents. But you are free to make up your own definition. I don't care...

Yep, says me.

No need to repeat, in fact you posted from the same website that I had previously posted from earlier, so I obviously had read the information you provided later in the thread.

You are correct, there is limited data that differentiates innocents, but now I seem to be repeating myself.

I specifially mentioned gang activity, si?

[SoSad]

I said nothing about fatalities.

Exactly; you didn't specify anything at all.

For me, it depends on the severity of the injuries sustained in each case, and whether or not it's a long drawn out painful act as opposed to a quick bite, etc.