Jim Caldwell extended through 2013 as OC

[OriginalColtsFan]

http://www.baltimoresun.com/sports/r...,2033534.story

Good move?

Discuss.

[ivanbalt]

Great move. I can already see the Fire Caldwell threads next season if the offense has a bad week.

[OriginalColtsFan]

Great move. I can already see the Fire Caldwell threads next season if the offense has a bad week.

I'm not 100% sure. I remember back when the Colts were in the Super Bowl against the 'Aints. The offense was very conservative, and I wondered why. Now, after watching Caldwell in the first 2 quarters against N.E., I KNOW why; it's the way Caldwell calls games. It wasn't until the 2nd half that things opened up, and there's an article on the main Sun sports page stating that it was Joe Flacco, not Jim Caldwell, who pushed to open up the offense in the 2nd half. That shouldn't have to happen that way, IMO. The OC should know that the plan is not working, and Caldwell clearly did not. Somewhat surprisingly, John Harbaugh supported Joe's request to open things up. He said the Ravens didn't come all that way to play it safe. But Caldwell's approach WAS to try to play it safe. That's just not my cup of tea, but to each his own.

[can you hear me now!]

I think it's a great move....most of what took place during the 1st half on Sunday was dictated by field position.....the offense has been much better since Cam's departure...

just out of curiousity, who is your model OC?

[OriginalColtsFan]

I think it's a great move....most of what took place during the 1st half on Sunday was dictated by field position.....the offense has been much better since Cam's departure...

just out of curiousity, who is your model OC?

Tom Moore.

[Slidemaster]

I'm not 100% sure. I remember back when the Colts were in the Super Bowl against the 'Aints. The offense was very conservative, and I wondered why. Now, after watching Caldwell in the first 2 quarters against N.E., I KNOW why; it's the way Caldwell calls games. It wasn't until the 2nd half that things opened up, and there's an article on the main Sun sports page stating that it was Joe Flacco, not Jim Caldwell, who pushed to open up the offense in the 2nd half. That shouldn't have to happen that way, IMO. The OC should know that the plan is not working, and Caldwell clearly did not. Somewhat surprisingly, John Harbaugh supported Joe's request to open things up. He said the Ravens didn't come all that way to play it safe. But Caldwell's approach WAS to try to play it safe. That's just not my cup of tea, but to each his own.

Jim Caldwell wasn't the OC for Indy at that time. Until the Ravens promoted him, he'd never called an offensive play in his life. That's been reported multiple times at this point.

Besides, nobody calls plays for Peyton. Peyton calls plays for Peyton.

[OriginalColtsFan]

Jim Caldwell wasn't the OC for Indy at that time. Until the Ravens promoted him, he'd never called an offensive play in his life. That's been reported multiple times at this point.

Besides, nobody calls plays for Peyton. Peyton calls plays for Peyton.

Caldwell was the HC at the time. You think HC's have no input on what goes on in a Super Bowl contest?

[can you hear me now!]

Tom Moore.

Tom Moore....should have seen that coming.....don't think any of his philosophy rubbed off on Caldwell? I'm going to make a leap here and assume, that despite Moore's success, he wouldn't make Flacco into the second coming of Manning, correct?

he did wonders as a consultant for the Jets and Titans the last two years....

be interesting to see how he does in Arizona with Kolb...

[OriginalColtsFan]

Tom Moore....should have seen that coming.....don't think any of his philosophy rubbed off on Caldwell? I'm going to make a leap here and assume, that despite Moore's success, he wouldn't make Flacco into the second coming of Manning, correct?

he did wonders as a consultant for the Jets and Titans the last two years....

be interesting to see how he does in Arizona with Kolb...

I'm not interested in whether or not Moore would make Joe into the next Peyton Manning. I simply like his approach to coaching. He TRUSTS his QB to carry out what he sees as the way to win football games. He doesn't micro manage. On the contrary, he sets out a general plan, then EXPECTS his QB to figure out how to make it happen. I like that approach, and I think Joe would benefit from that sort of trust, especially after 5 years of having been micromanaged by Cameron. You have a problem with that? State your specific reasons, as I've stated my specific reasons for why I prefer Moore. Otherwise, don't toss out irrelevant things like: "Is Moore going to turn Joe into the next Manning?"

[can you hear me now!]

I have no problem, I thought it was a reasonable question....sorry I asked....

[Frank Costanza 831]

Me and OriginalColtsFan usually see pretty eye to eye but i gotta disagree on this one. Caldwell has done a good job with Cam's terrible playbook and the team has advanced to the Super Bowl. He at least deserves a shot at having a full year to implement his own schemes and whatnot

[bmore_ken]

Me and OriginalColtsFan usually see pretty eye to eye but i gotta disagree on this one. Caldwell has done a good job with Cam's terrible playbook and the team has advanced to the Super Bowl. He at least deserves a shot at having a full year to implement his own schemes and whatnot

That about sums up my feelings on it

[OriginalColtsFan]

Me and OriginalColtsFan usually see pretty eye to eye but i gotta disagree on this one. Caldwell has done a good job with Cam's terrible playbook and the team has advanced to the Super Bowl. He at least deserves a shot at having a full year to implement his own schemes and whatnot

Time will tell. But don't come crying if/when it blows up, okay?

[Slidemaster]

Caldwell was the HC at the time. You think HC's have no input on what goes on in a Super Bowl contest?

If you think anyone but Peyton calls plays for Peyton, you're dreaming. Caldwell may have had some general input, but if Indy went conservative, it's because Peyton wanted to.

Same thing happened in Denver against the Ravens. Coincidence or trend?

[SugarRay52]

I'm not 100% sure. I remember back when the Colts were in the Super Bowl against the 'Aints. The offense was very conservative, and I wondered why. Now, after watching Caldwell in the first 2 quarters against N.E., I KNOW why; it's the way Caldwell calls games. It wasn't until the 2nd half that things opened up, and there's an article on the main Sun sports page stating that it was Joe Flacco, not Jim Caldwell, who pushed to open up the offense in the 2nd half. That shouldn't have to happen that way, IMO. The OC should know that the plan is not working, and Caldwell clearly did not. Somewhat surprisingly, John Harbaugh supported Joe's request to open things up. He said the Ravens didn't come all that way to play it safe. But Caldwell's approach WAS to try to play it safe. That's just not my cup of tea, but to each his own.

He's running Cameron's offense, give him a chance to make changes in the offseason first. I'm still mad at you for even trying to bring up the idea of bringing Cameron back in any capacity, what's going on with you?

[OriginalColtsFan]

He's running Cameron's offense, give him a chance to make changes in the offseason first. I'm still mad at you for even trying to bring up the idea of bringing Cameron back in any capacity, what's going on with you?

He was running "Cameron's offense" in the SECOND half of the game as well. The question is: Why wasn't he running the GOOD offense in the first half? Look, man...it took you years to realize that Cameron wasn't the answer. Some folks just see things earlier than others, is all.

(And you're mad that I wanted to give Cameron some credit by bringing him back in some non-functional, token capacity? LOL. That's too funny.)

[SugarRay52]

He was running "Cameron's offense" in the SECOND half of the game as well. The question is: Why wasn't he running the GOOD offense in the first half? Look, man...it took you years to realize that Cameron wasn't the answer. Some folks just see things earlier than others, is all.

(And you're mad that I wanted to give Cameron some credit by bringing him back in some non-functional, token capacity? LOL. That's too funny.)

Lets get one thing straight I was never ok with Cameron being the OC I just accepted the fact that he wasn't going anywhere so why complain, it was out of my control. Caldwell hasn't been perfect but this is the first time in his life that he's calling plays in NFL games so of course I'm going to give him a chance. Why in the hell would I complain with the Baltimore Ravens in the Superbowl? Enjoy the ride and if things go bad in the Superbowl (again we're in the Superbowl) then complain, don't do this now. I expected more from you, don't do this now, please I'm begging you to enjoy this. I don't want to argue with you or anybody else or talk about Cam Cameron, I want to enjoy this ride.

[OriginalColtsFan]

Lets get one thing straight I was never ok with Cameron being the OC I just accepted the fact that he wasn't going anywhere so why complain, it was out of my control. Caldwell hasn't been perfect but this is the first time in his life that he's calling plays in NFL games so of course I'm going to give him a chance. Why in the hell would I complain with the Baltimore Ravens in the Superbowl? Enjoy the ride and if things go bad in the Superbowl (again we're in the Superbowl) then complain, don't do this now. I expected more from you, don't do this now, please I'm begging you to enjoy this. I don't want to argue with you or anybody else or talk about Cam Cameron, I want to enjoy this ride.

I'm enjoying it fine. But what is it with you? You can't enjoy something AND keep your critical faculties intact at the same time? Not a big multi-tasker, are you? And just because Caldwell has done okay -- not outstanding, but okay -- up to this point, what basis is that to not question what will happen NEXT year with him as OC, especially since the Ravens chose to announce NOW that they've decided to extend him? Why not at least wait until AFTER the Super Bowl to see how he does? What IS is with the Ravens and the timing of their decisions? Is Caldwell really THE BEST choice as OC? Based on what? 4-5 games? Anyway...enjoy the ride. I can see things like this are too difficult for you.

[RavingManiac]

Me and OriginalColtsFan usually see pretty eye to eye but i gotta disagree on this one. Caldwell has done a good job with Cam's terrible playbook and the team has advanced to the Super Bowl. He at least deserves a shot at having a full year to implement his own schemes and whatnot

Why would you want to see Caldwell get rid of Cam's playbook and implement his own schemes? I found out yesterday that Flacco is tied for third all time with 8 touchdowns and no interceptions. If he throws 3 or 4 more touchdowns in the Super Bowl, i believe he will hold the record by himself...if not he will be tied for first place all time. Flacco is on fire right now. I don't think this playbook should be thrown out when Flacco is stroking it the way he has been. Of course, you can say he would do a lot better with a different playbook but you can always say that no matter what. If he threw for 60 touchdowns, then you can say with a different playbook he could have thrown 80.

[SugarRay52]

I'm enjoying it fine. But what is it with you? You can't enjoy something AND keep your critical faculties intact at the same time? Not a big multi-tasker, are you? And just because Caldwell has done okay -- not outstanding, but okay -- up to this point, what basis is that to not question what will happen NEXT year with him as OC, especially since the Ravens chose to announce NOW that they've decided to extend him? Why not at least wait until AFTER the Super Bowl to see how he does? What IS is with the Ravens and the timing of their decisions? Is Caldwell really THE BEST choice as OC? Based on what? 4-5 games? Anyway...enjoy the ride. I can see things like this are too difficult for you.

Joe and Caldwell work very well together and they want to keep that going. I'm still cool with you but we will have to agree to disagree on this one, I just can't agree with you on this right now.