Jim Caldwell extended through 2013 as OC

[OriginalColtsFan]

Joe and Caldwell work very well together and they want to keep that going. I'm still cool with you but we will have to agree to disagree on this one, I just can't agree with you on this right now.

It's all good, man. Just try to discuss it without getting so personal, is all.

Peace.

[CajunRaven]

Me and OriginalColtsFan usually see pretty eye to eye but i gotta disagree on this one. Caldwell has done a good job with Cam's terrible playbook and the team has advanced to the Super Bowl. He at least deserves a shot at having a full year to implement his own schemes and whatnot

Agreed. And give Caldwell and Harbaugh credit if they asked Joe at halftime what he thought and took it into consideration.

That idiot Cam would've kept on with his approach regardless of what other input was available to him. A good leader looks for input from his troops.

[OriginalColtsFan]

Agreed. And give Caldwell and Harbaugh credit if they asked Joe at halftime what he thought and took it into consideration.

That idiot Cam would've kept on with his approach regardless of what other input was available to him. A good leader looks for input from his troops.

Let's get one thing clear, okay? Caldwell didn't ASK Joe anything. Joe went to Caldwell and stated that the offense needed to be opened up, and Harbaugh supported that. It wasn't the other way around.

[SugarRay52]

Let's get one thing clear, okay? Caldwell didn't ASK Joe anything. Joe went to Caldwell and stated that the offense needed to be opened up, and Harbaugh supported that. It wasn't the other way around.

Bottomline is the adjustment was made, would that have happened if Cam was here? Caldwell is still feeling his way as a playcaller but according to Aaron Wilson he and Joe get along great and he actually encourages Joe to offer his input. Caldwell is not the dictator that Cameron was.

[OriginalColtsFan]

Bottomline is the adjustment was made, would that have happened if Cam was here? Caldwell is still feeling his way as a playcaller but according to Aaron Wilson he and Joe get along great and he actually encourages Joe to offer his input. Caldwell is not the dictator that Cameron was.

That's all well and good, but I was responding to the post that falsely stated that Caldwell went to Flacco, rather than the other way around. No need to try to redirect the focus elsewhere. I'm not talking about Caldwell's openness; that's a given, and a definite positive. But it's not the "bottom line" as far as the post to which I was responding, okay?

[SugarRay52]

That's all well and good, but I was responding to the post that falsely stated that Caldwell went to Flacco, rather than the other way around. No need to try to redirect the focus elsewhere. I'm not talking about Caldwell's openness; that's a given, and a definite positive. But it's not the "bottom line" as far as the post to which I was responding, okay?

Ok I get it and you're right Joe did go to Caldwell and the adjustment was made and that wouldn't have happened if Cam was here, that's my point. When Joe speaks up now I actually believe that adjustments will actually be made over the course of a game because the communication between the OC and QB is much better.

[OriginalColtsFan]

Ok I get it and you're right Joe did go to Caldwell and the adjustment was made and that wouldn't have happened if Cam was here, that's my point. When Joe speaks up now I actually believe that adjustments will actually be made over the course of a game because the communication between the OC and QB is much better.

The funny thing is...while I was watching the game, I said to myself: "If Caldwell keeps calling those stupid running plays on first down, Joe ought to rebel and call his own plays". At the start of the second half, Joe was in the shotgun, and the rest, as they say, is history. What I didn't know at the time was that Joe had gone to Caldwell and told him they needed to open up the offense. (OR that Harbaugh heavily supported that change in direction, which is a very positive thing in and of itself.) Clearly, that shows a major difference between Caldwell and Cameron, which is what you're saying, and I agree. What I want to see is Caldwell opening things up earlier, and giving the offense more of a chance, rather than forfeiting away 1/2 of a game. (And when I say "opening things up", what I'm really saying is mixing in more first down passes, is all, NOT abandoning the run the way Cameron did.) The Ravens did the same thing in Denver, and were admittedly lucky to get a win with that final drive to tie things up with under a minute left to play in regulation. There's no need to keep painting oneself in the corner. If Caldwell learns that, and adjusts, things should go very well for the Ravens offense. So let's hope it goes that way, shall we?

[SugarRay52]

The funny thing is...while I was watching the game, I said to myself: "If Caldwell keeps calling those stupid running plays on first down, Joe ought to rebel and call his own plays". At the start of the second half, Joe was in the shotgun, and the rest, as they say, is history. What I didn't know at the time was that Joe had gone to Caldwell and told him they needed to open up the offense. (OR that Harbaugh heavily supported that change in direction, which is a very positive thing in and of itself.) Clearly, that shows a major difference between Caldwell and Cameron, which is what you're saying, and I agree. What I want to see is Caldwell opening things up earlier, and giving the offense more of a chance, rather than forfeiting away 1/2 of a game. (And when I say "opening things up", what I'm really saying is mixing in more first down passes, is all, NOT abandoning the run the way Cameron did.) The Ravens did the same thing in Denver, and were admittedly lucky to get a win with that final drive to tie things up with under a minute left to play in regulation. There's no need to keep painting oneself in the corner. If Caldwell learns that, and adjusts, things should go very well for the Ravens offense. So let's hope it goes that way, shall we?

We shall see how things play out come Superbowl Sunday. On another note how cool is this:

http://pbs.twimg.com/media/BBTiiftCQAAv31b.jpg

[OriginalColtsFan]

We shall see how things play out come Superbowl Sunday. On another note how cool is this:

http://pbs.twimg.com/media/BBTiiftCQAAv31b.jpg

Cool indeed.

[Peej7245]

Cool indeed.

I've read several versions:

• Harbaugh went into the Offense's meeting at half time and said it was the AFC Championship and [you] don't win by hoping...
  
• Caldwell went to Joe...
  
• Joe went to Caldwell...

Regardless, the TEAM came out of the halftime break and put a serious beat-down on the Patsies in the 2nd half.

[OriginalColtsFan]

I've read several versions:

• Harbaugh went into the Offense's meeting at half time and said it was the AFC Championship and [you] don't win by hoping...
  
• Caldwell went to Joe...
  
• Joe went to Caldwell...

Regardless, the TEAM came out of the halftime break and put a serious beat-down on the Patsies in the 2nd half.

Making half time adjustments is fine. And necessary. But coming out and playing 4 full quarters of "play to win" football is better. And I expect to see a championship team that understands and implements the difference between 4 full quarters of play to win football vs 1/2 of a game of play to win football. It's really that simple.

[Peej7245]

Making half time adjustments is fine. And necessary. But coming out and playing 4 full quarters of "play to win" football is better. And I expect to see a championship team that understands and implements the difference between 4 full quarters of play to win football vs 1/2 of a game of play to win football. It's really that simple.

Can't disagree with you on this point. However, I have seen three things happen in many football games:

1. Seldom is the game won in the first half...regardless of the score (to whit, the Cardinals game last year.).

2. Early on, both teams feel each other out to determine what will work.

3. The team that makes the better adjustments will more likely win...and did so!

At the half, it was only 13-7, and I theorize that the Ravens had developed the feeling that they could handle NE's offense. The solution was to put the team on Flacco's shoulders.

[85Knight]

The funny thing is...while I was watching the game, I said to myself: "If Caldwell keeps calling those stupid running plays on first down, Joe ought to rebel and call his own plays". At the start of the second half, Joe was in the shotgun, and the rest, as they say, is history. What I didn't know at the time was that Joe had gone to Caldwell and told him they needed to open up the offense. (OR that Harbaugh heavily supported that change in direction, which is a very positive thing in and of itself.) Clearly, that shows a major difference between Caldwell and Cameron, which is what you're saying, and I agree. What I want to see is Caldwell opening things up earlier, and giving the offense more of a chance, rather than forfeiting away 1/2 of a game. (And when I say "opening things up", what I'm really saying is mixing in more first down passes, is all, NOT abandoning the run the way Cameron did.) The Ravens did the same thing in Denver, and were admittedly lucky to get a win with that final drive to tie things up with under a minute left to play in regulation. There's no need to keep painting oneself in the corner. If Caldwell learns that, and adjusts, things should go very well for the Ravens offense. So let's hope it goes that way, shall we?

Give Caldwell a chance. It's only his 5th game ever as OC on the NFL level. Who cares whether he made the call or Flacco made it? With Cameron it was his way or the highway. Atleast it seems as if Caldwell is open to someone else's opinion. I think the 2nd half against NE opened everyone's eyes. We now have another option on offense if plan A isn't working. Give Caldwell a chance before you start drawing absolutes about him. This is still a work in progress and already we can see the offense is better than it was.

[OriginalColtsFan]

Give Caldwell a chance. It's only his 5th game ever as OC on the NFL level. Who cares whether he made the call or Flacco made it? With Cameron it was his way or the highway. Atleast it seems as if Caldwell is open to someone else's opinion. I think the 2nd half against NE opened everyone's eyes. We now have another option on offense if plan A isn't working. Give Caldwell a chance before you start drawing absolutes about him. This is still a work in progress and already we can see the offense is better than it was.

Don't put words in my mouth. HERE is EXACTLY what I said:

If Caldwell learns that, and adjusts, things should go very well for the Ravens offense. So let's hope it goes that way, shall we?

Note the word "IF", and the fact that I ended it on a positive note. It's the KEY to reading AND comprehension. The very fact that I used the word IF shows I'm more than willing to give him a chance. So next time, pay more careful attention to what I actually said, then we can avoid these sorts of unpleasantries in the future.

[OriginalColtsFan]

Can't disagree with you on this point. However, I have seen three things happen in many football games:

1. Seldom is the game won in the first half...regardless of the score (to whit, the Cardinals game last year.).

2. Early on, both teams feel each other out to determine what will work.

3. The team that makes the better adjustments will more likely win...and did so!

At the half, it was only 13-7, and I theorize that the Ravens had developed the feeling that they could handle NE's offense. The solution was to put the team on Flacco's shoulders.

Again...teams that are capable of putting together 4 full quarters of football deserve to be crowned champions. The Ravens have amply demonstrated that they are more than capable of putting together a competent offense for 4 full quarters. Just go back to the opening game against the Bengals. (One, which, according to some reports, was Caldwell's design, rather than Cameron's design.) No need to keep making apologies for efforts that are less than that. THAT is the gold standard. The Ravens have proven that they're capable of that, and nothing LESS than that should be acceptable. How's that?

[85Knight]

Don't put words in my mouth. HERE is EXACTLY what I said:

If Caldwell learns that, and adjusts, things should go very well for the Ravens offense. So let's hope it goes that way, shall we?

Note the word "IF", and the fact that I ended it on a positive note. It's the KEY to reading AND comprehension. The very fact that I used the word IF shows I'm more than willing to give him a chance. So next time, pay more careful attention to what I actually said, then we can avoid these sorts of unpleasantries in the future.

Put words in your mouth? You sure sounded very critical of Caldwell in only his 6th game as OC to me. Of course Caldwell is going to learn and adjust as time goes on but you were asking him to be perfect already. I don't know where all these unpleasantries came from from your side but I was only responding to what I read and I still think my comprehension was spot on. If you can't see your negativity then that's your problem. Us Ravens fans are more than happy with the direction the offense is heading.

[OriginalColtsFan]

Put words in your mouth? You sure sounded very critical of Caldwell in only his 6th game as OC to me. Of course Caldwell is going to learn and adjust as time goes on but you were asking him to be perfect already. I don't know where all these unpleasantries came from from your side but I was only responding to what I read and I still think my comprehension was spot on. If you can't see your negativity then that's your problem. Us Ravens fans are more than happy with the direction the offense is heading.

Clearly, reading and comprehension is not your strong suit.

[85Knight]

Clearly, reading and comprehension is not your strong suit.

You're stooping to lower and lower levels the more you speak. If you think I'm going there with you you're fooling yourself.

[OriginalColtsFan]

You're stooping to lower and lower levels the more you speak. If you think I'm going there with you you're fooling yourself.

We're done.

[85Knight]

We're done.

Of course we are because you've been exposed on so many levels it's not even funny. The sad part about it is you don't even realize it.