What Gun legislation Would YOU Like To See ?

[The Astute Reader(tm)]

Besides who goes away for 6 months to receive chemo?

I was 'away' on disability for nine months while receiving chemotherapy - hence my hairless avatar. During that time I was not at work and not often seen in public.

[Mom49of4]

I was 'away' on disability for nine months while receiving chemotherapy - hence my hairless avatar. During that time I was not at work and not often seen in public.

I do remember your sharing about having cancer but did not realize you were on disability.

[banner1124]

No it's not. Lots of people opt out of chemo. But regardless it would have still been his decision. You can't force people to seek mental health treatment without court involvement

The problem is that alot of times people don't even bring it up as an option. Folks feel like they need to deal with this kind of thing on their own when they really shouldn't have to. The point is that treatment for physical illness doesn't hang around someone's neck like an albatross the way treatment for mental illness does, and that makes far too many people not even consider treatment for mental illness until it's too late.

[bmore_ken]

The problem is that alot of times people don't even bring it up as an option. Folks feel like they need to deal with this kind of thing on their own when they really shouldn't have to. The point is that treatment for physical illness doesn't hang around someone's neck like an albatross the way treatment for mental illness does, and that makes far too many people not even consider treatment for mental illness until it's too late.

How do you propose to eliminate the "stigma" that's inbedded in some people's mind?

[flyboy56]

I know most people know how to play the "what if" game, but have you ever played the "then what" game?

[Wild Eyed Southern Boy]

I would like to see all who wish for gun control legislation to have to take a class on firearms types and actually have to handle firearms and understand their functions and operation, such that they actually understand what they are wanting to legislate.

[cprenegade]

I would like to see the commission of any crime while in the possession of a gun be made a federal offense, punishable by no less than 25 years in federal prison with no parole regardless of age. No discretion from a judge or jury to ease a sentence. So if you possess a gun during a crime, you are going away for a long, long time and basically throwing away 1/3 of your life. Maybe it will make some criminals think, and if not at the very least it will remove gun criminals from society before many have the chance to advance to murder. But I realize it will never happen so it is only a fantasy wish.

[ms maggie]

What you forget to note is that in the vast majority gun crimes the firearm is NOT recovered and therefore there is nothing to trace. In New Zealand they abandoned their universal firearms registration policy because it was rarely useful in solving crimes yet was costly to maintain.

It is also worth noting that guns are durable objects with service lives ranging from decades to hundreds of years. Criminals can, do, and will keep 'recycling' unregistered firearms at the same time that registration schemes pile up vast lists of the firearms owned by non-criminals.

Therefore, I submit that universal registration will be almost useless for law enforcement purposes.

No but the bullets are recovered normally. Which makes the kind of registration that is in place in NY and other states very helpful to law enforcement from what I understand.

http://www.jhsph.edu/sebin/w/o/balli...erprinting.pdf

[Wild Eyed Southern Boy]

No but the bullets are recovered normally. Which makes the kind of registration that is in place in NY and other states very helpful to law enforcement from what I understand.

http://www.jhsph.edu/sebin/w/o/balli...erprinting.pdf

Television police dramas have convinced the public that recovered projectiles are a great source of evidence, when the reality is that they are not. They are usually so deformed as to be worthless except identifying the caliber and even then it does not identify the cartridge itself. Even spent cases matched to the breech face is a low probability attempt, particularly if the user realizes that an abrasive can be used to hide it. Even microstamping has been revealed to be an ineffective attempt due to the numbers and variations involved. It is nothing more than an attempt to increase manufacturing costs.

[octoburn]

No but the bullets are recovered normally. Which makes the kind of registration that is in place in NY and other states very helpful to law enforcement from what I understand.

http://www.jhsph.edu/sebin/w/o/balli...erprinting.pdf

Maryland has ballistic fingerprinting. The Maryland State Police have been critical of it's cost and actual usefulness, so I am not sure how useful it actually is.

[The Astute Reader(tm)]

Maryland has ballistic fingerprinting. The Maryland State Police have been critical of it's cost and actual usefulness, so I am not sure how useful it actually is.

Indeed! In fact, unless something has changed recently, Maryland's ballisitic fingerprinting system has not provided a single conviction in spite of a multi-million (six million, I believe) dollar annual budget.

[banner1124]

How do you propose to eliminate the "stigma" that's inbedded in some people's mind?

I don't have all the answers, but for sure we need to start educating people about mental illness. People need to be made comfortable about the fact that your mind being "broken" isn't any different than your body being broken. People tend to think that having a mental illness makes you less of a person, whereas, that thought never enters into a person's thought process when they have a physical ailment. So I guess the short answer is, start with education.

[Dryfire]

Maryland has ballistic fingerprinting. The Maryland State Police have been critical of it's cost and actual usefulness, so I am not sure how useful it actually is.

Dead on, burnie. It's a useless moneypit at best.

http://www.nraila.org/news-issues/fa...-maryl.aspx?s=

http://www.crosswalk.com/1306681/

CCRKBA says Maryland has spent $2.5 million over the past four years -- with nothing to show for it. "Guns found to be used in the commission of crime...are not the ones being entered into" the system, the state police report noted.

The concept of ballistic fingerprinting was so "off the wall" that California even rejected the idea, but that didn't stop the MD pols from proving what we already knew.

[georjec2]

I agree with this.

Didn't Buck Rogers use lasers or am I imagining that?

Yeah he did, but they were 'assault' lasers, real futuristic.


I remember years ago going into a southern gun shop and seeing guns, rifles in particular, that were amazing to me because they were on sale...for anybody. I did not understand the full meaning of the 2nd amendment then nor did I know the power of the NRA. I thought to buy one would take months. I was wrong.

[georjec2]

Originally Posted by bmore_ken View Post
All of which won't prevent another mass shooting

Exactly.... These are feel good measures that do nothing.

So do nothing or wait until the next time and have this discussion all over again ? The next group of children killed will settle this issue of backround checks, reduced magazine capacity and how guns are purchased legally in America. I fear that most of us here will probably be alive to see 'the next time'.

Doing nothing does nothing.

[cprenegade]

Originally Posted by bmore_ken View Post
All of which won't prevent another mass shooting




So do nothing or wait until the next time and have this discussion all over again ? The next group of children killed will settle this issue of backround checks, reduced magazine capacity and how guns are purchased legally in America. I fear that most of us here will probably be alive to see 'the next time'.

Doing nothing does nothing.

Short of banning all guns and removing all from the country, you cannot stop what happened. What you can do is start to decrease the routine gun violence that happens every day across America. Do that by making comission of any crime, no matter how small, while in possession of a gun a federal felony punishable by long jail time with no parole. Start removing the felons from society with no exceptions, and you will start to deter people from committing crimes using guns. Those that don't get the message will be removed from society for good. That will start to decrease gun violence in the country. We can talk about removing certain types of guns and magazines from circulation, but until we start removing all gun abusers from society in severe fashion, we will still have everyday gun violence.

[Contumacious]

What Gun legislation Would YOU Like To See ?
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[ivanbalt]

Yeah he did, but they were 'assault' lasers, real futuristic.


I remember years ago going into a southern gun shop and seeing guns, rifles in particular, that were amazing to me because they were on sale...for anybody. I did not understand the full meaning of the 2nd amendment then nor did I know the power of the NRA. I thought to buy one would take months. I was wrong.

Handguns require a waiting period, but most rifles/shotguns don't I believe. Never understood that other than maybe same day purchase to go hunting.

[Dryfire]

Handguns require a waiting period, but most rifles/shotguns don't I believe. Never understood that other than maybe same day purchase to go hunting.

There is a waiting period for some rifles too. All of the AR type rifles fall under regulated type firearms that has to be okay'd by the MSP just like a handgun.

I never understood why you needed to walk out of the store with that new computer the same day your purchased it. Computers are dangerous and can disburse a nasty virus with one keystroke.

I can't understand why I'm limited to buying only one gun a month. I can buy two or three TV's if I want.

[Woodbuchr]

I can't understand why I'm limited to buying only one gun a month. I can buy two or three TV's if I want.

I don't know if it is still this way but a few years ago I wanted to buy a 44 and a 9mm. I went to the shop and complained about the one gun a month law and he said if I buy one and then the other I have to wait a month between but if I buy them both at once it's okay. I asked if I wated to buy 4 at once I can but one at a time I have to wait a month between, right? He said yes.

Apparently the isue was that the State Police have to do a new background check on each purchase not necessaily on each gun. If the purchases are bundled I suppose one check covers all.