Clinton testifying re Benghazi

[flyboy56]

For a veteran you're extremely naive. God bless ya

So we should expect those evacuees to start mysteriously disappearing? Please do explain your hypothesis as to how they will be silenced?

[SteamChief]

Sorry dude, but I'm a vet and I don't have that opinion.

Thanks for not having that attitude, like I said I spent years working around the O-3/4/5's and they definitely had that attitude. They had no problem talking about civilians around me, I had a O-6 equiv. rank, and so many times I want to to blast these guys. Some of them(Flyboy56) never loose that "looking down their nose" attitude. I guess a lot of the Warrants had the same as the O's.
I didn't mean to disparage most good military types. I spent time with all the branches doing my job, some impressed me more than others.

[bmore_ken]

So we should expect those evacuees to start mysteriously disappearing? Please do explain your hypothesis as to how they will be silenced?

The U.S. government has never silenced anyone

[songfourone]

And I never thanked you for your service right? Take my comments like the one you quoted with a grain of salt. I can take the ribbing as well as give it.

You asked a poster earlier in what capacity did they serve.

[flyboy56]

You asked a poster earlier in what capacity did they serve.

Right capacity, not branch which usually is understood as one of the military services. Capacity can mean any service connected position to the government. I worked in Civil Service for a number of years and for 2 government contract companies as well. Both of which I did serve the country. But the military is different in that when you join you can be sent anywhere in the world with very little notice and be place in extreme conditions. It is why most everyone knows serving in the military is the ultimate way to serve ones country.

[flyboy56]

The U.S. government has never silenced anyone

Get real. This conversation is a done deal.

[flyboy56]

Thanks for not having that attitude, like I said I spent years working around the O-3/4/5's and they definitely had that attitude. They had no problem talking about civilians around me, I had a O-6 equiv. rank, and so many times I want to to blast these guys. Some of them(Flyboy56) never loose that "looking down their nose" attitude. I guess a lot of the Warrants had the same as the O's.
I didn't mean to disparage most good military types. I spent time with all the branches doing my job, some impressed me more than others.

Your assumption of me being an officer, warrant or otherwise, is where you went wrong from the get go. I chose not to have that lobotomy and proudly retired with an enlisted rank.

[bmore_ken]

Get real. This conversation is a done deal.

That happens when you lose an argument. Better luck next time

[jessup270]

The only distinction I hold between citizens who are vets and those who did not serve, is when the drums of war are beaten.

I find it rather appalling when the drums of war are beaten the "loudest" by those who did not want to serve in the military.

Most of these none veteran hawks, also do not want their family members involved in war.

The list of hawks who did not serve is long and notable.

[Terry K]

Terry's post is devoid of any facts...

The only questionable fact in my previous post was when I quoted Mr. Obama ""The minute I found out what was happening . . . I gave the directive,” he said, “to make sure we are securing our personnel and doing whatever we need to do. I guarantee you everybody in the CIA and military knew the number-one priority was making sure our people are safe.”

I was dubious of the accuracy of his statement but gave him the benefit of the doubt.

By the way, have you come up with any credible source yet contradicting my assertion that Ty Woods and Glen Doherty were told to stand down?

[soulflower]

By the way, have you come up with any credible source yet contradicting my assertion that Ty Woods and Glen Doherty were told to stand down?

THERE WERE NO ORDERS TO "STAND DOWN". NONE!

Ty Woods reached the consulate within 25 minutes. Doherty reached the CIA base in Benghazi a few hours later(He left his base in Tripoli to help rescue Americans in Benghazi)...

http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinio...d93_story.html

"While there were multiple errors that led to the final tragedy, there’s no evidence that the White House or CIA leadership deliberately delayed or impeded rescue efforts."

[Monte]

The ambassador died from smoke inhalation. He wasn't the target of the attack. The terrorists got lucky

This is the Darwin Award winning comment of the week! Congratulations, Soulflower!

[Monte]

Guessing you have never been in a leadership position. She says she is ultimately responsible. So she is to blame.

Are you expecting her to specifically point the finger at one person? Again, anyone who is a successful leader realizes you don't throw subordinates under the bus like that. Doubt if it was a "one person" decision in any event.

-Obama threw Susan Rice under the bus.
-Hilary Clinton fell on the sword before she threw herself under the bus
(but with protection) for Barak Obama
-Obama threw Reverend Jeremiah Wright under the bus
-And yes, of course, there are GOP examples as well.

[Mom49of4]

-Obama threw Susan Rice under the bus.
-Hilary Clinton fell on the sword before she threw herself under the bus
(but with protection) for Barak Obama
-Obama threw Reverend Jeremiah Wright under the bus
-And yes, of course, there are GOP examples as well.

That about sums it up.

[Monte]

That happens when you lose an argument. Better luck next time

Don't get sore patting yourself on the back, chump, 'specially when you're claiming some sort of imaginary victory.

[Monte]

Telling the truth is not making it about Bush. Someone needs to be held countable for 4000 lives lost, over a lie.

The word is "accountable", dear. Your post stands self-sufficiently as a great example of why liberal comments are so often discounted. And if presidents who did not tell the truth were held fully accountable, this president would have been exiled to Guam within his first year.

[Monte]

It should have only been a surprise to a collection of morons. There were cables, emails and requests for more security from military attaches and the Ambassador. Other countries had recognized the deteriorating conditions and already evacuated staff from Libya. Despite all these signs, US security forces were actually lessened rather than increased.

Who gave the orders for TY Wood and Greg Dougherty to stand down? How many additional US deaths would there have been had they followed orders? Why were no US military rapid rescue teams deployed from Sicily to counter attack the terrorists and save American lives?

What was Obama, Biden and Panetta doing at their 5PM White House meeting while the attack was underway? Obama claimed on October 26 "The minute I found out what was happening . . . I gave the directive,” he said, “to make sure we are securing our personnel and doing whatever we need to do. I guarantee you everybody in the CIA and military knew the number-one priority was making sure our people are safe.”

So, if we take the President at his word, who did he tell, why was no action taken, and when will the parties that failed to follow orders be held accountable? There were Special Operations forces less than 2 hours away yet no reinforcements arrive during the 7 hour battle. Ty Woods had a laser rangefinder and is pinpointing enemy targets yet the only air support to arrive is an unarmed drone that allows the events to be witnessed in real time.

It is apparent that certain parties didn't want the campaign narrative of Osama is dead, GM is alive and Al Qaeda is on the run to be countered by a terrorist attack on 9-11. It is also obvious that spontaneous demonstrators do not carry RPG's.

*THIS* post ROCKS!

[Terry K]

THERE WERE NO ORDERS TO "STAND DOWN". NONE!

Ty Woods reached the consulate within 25 minutes. Doherty reached the CIA base in Benghazi a few hours later(He left his base in Tripoli to help rescue Americans in Benghazi)...

http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinio...d93_story.html

"While there were multiple errors that led to the final tragedy, there’s no evidence that the White House or CIA leadership deliberately delayed or impeded rescue efforts."

Read your story again......"The senior intelligence official said that he doesn’t know whether Woods or any of the other team members agitated to go sooner but added that he wouldn’t be surprised. “I want them to have a sense of urgency,” he said. How do you arrive at the conclusion no one was told to stand down? There is no such confirmation in the article.

The article does establish that a drone had been diverted and was providing aerial reconnaissance by 11:11 PM, approximately 90 minutes from the time of the notification of the attack.

[Monte]

Read your story again......"The senior intelligence official said that he doesn’t know whether Woods or any of the other team members agitated to go sooner but added that he wouldn’t be surprised. “I want them to have a sense of urgency,” he said. How do you arrive at the conclusion no one was told to stand down? There is no such confirmation in the article.

The article does establish that a drone had been diverted and was providing aerial reconnaissance by 11:11 PM, approximately 90 minutes from the time of the notification of the attack.

Soulflower's link came from the opinon section of the Post, so that tells part of the story right there.

Remember that pro-Obama media puff piece when they showed the cam video in the situation room, when Seal Team 6 was coming down on Osama Bin Laden? Oh, how heroic our president looked! If the live Situation Room cam was streaming video at the time of the Benghazi attack, I have little doubt that we would have found the room to have been entirely empty.

[soulflower]

Read your story again......"The senior intelligence official said that he doesn’t know whether Woods or any of the other team members agitated to go sooner but added that he wouldn’t be surprised. “I want them to have a sense of urgency,” he said. How do you arrive at the conclusion no one was told to stand down? There is no such confirmation in the article.

The article does establish that a drone had been diverted and was providing aerial reconnaissance by 11:11 PM, approximately 90 minutes from the time of the notification of the attack.

According to the CIA's timeline of events the attack on the consulate was over by 11pm.

Ty Woods and other CIA agents responded to the attack on the consulate within 25 minutes. There's no evidence that he or anyone else was told to "stand down"