Quote of the day.

[Grindelwald]

I just freaking posted a use for taxes: Schools.

[workerbee]

The conditions of slavery varied from place to place, from time to time, in the world. In some societies slave were permitted to own property and were often encouraged to earn a little on the side so that they might one day purchase their freedom (a common practice in the ancient world). Serfs were a part of the landscape, like pastures, fields, barns, streams, and roads. They were sold with the land, along with the cattle, sheep, pigs, and other kinds of livestock. Slaves could be sold apart from the land but serfs were always attached to a plot of ground. Both estates were rather miserable. To argue which was worse is silly.

And that freedom allowed them... To own slaves.

[AttackPlanR]

Since Semi is so find of using quotes to get his point across:

All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing.

~Edmund Burke

What have you done lately, Semi?

[songfourone]

source

Meh, not so much.

[SemiAuto]

Since Semi is so find of using quotes to get his point across:


~Edmund Burke

What have you done lately, Semi?

Trying to convince the 'evil men' to change their ways. What have you done?

[banner1124]

I continue to maintain that the taxation as theft position is immature and silly and it's virtually impossible to debate against such a ridiculous position.

[AttackPlanR]

1) Voted for people whose platform aligns with mine
2) Not piss and moan at every thing in the world, while never offering solutions.

[Grindelwald]

I continue to maintain that the taxation as theft position is immature and silly and it's virtually impossible to debate against such a ridiculous position

Roads... Schools... Just a couple examples of what we would NOT have without taxes, but of course Semi ignores that.

[Calamari]

I continue to maintain that the taxation as theft position is immature and silly and it's virtually impossible to debate against such a ridiculous position.

From the excellent critiques of libertarianism site:

http://critiques.us/wiki/A_Non-Liber...ation_is_theft.

Two simple rebuttals to this take widely different approaches.

The first is that property is theft. The notion behind property is that A declares something to be property, and threatens anybody who still wants to use it. Where does A get the right to forcibly stop others from using it? Arguments about "mixing of labor" with the resource as a basis for ownership boil down to "first-come-first-served". This criticism is even accepted by some libertarians, and is favorably viewed by David Friedman. This justifies property taxes or extraction taxes on land or extractable resources if you presume that the government is a holder in trust for natural resources. (However, most people who question the creation of property would agree that after the creation of property, a person is entitled to his earnings. Thus the second argument)

The second is that taxation is part of a social contract. Essentially, tax is payment in exchange for services from government. This kind of argument is suitable for defending almost any tax as part of a contract. Many libertarians accept social contract (for example, essentially all minarchists must to insist on a monopoly of government.) Of course they differ as to what should be IN the contract.

[SemiAuto]

1) Voted for people whose platform aligns with mine
2) Not piss and moan at every thing in the world, while never offering solutions.

Remind me again how that voting thing is working out for you?

I don't know who is not offering solutions. From time to time you seem to forget mine but I'm used to that.

[SemiAuto]

I continue to maintain that the taxation as theft position is immature and silly and it's virtually impossible to debate against such a ridiculous position.

The reasoning behind the idea is in post 17. Give it a try sometime.

[AttackPlanR]

Remind me again how that voting thing is working out for you?

All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing.

I don't know who is not offering solutions. From time to time you seem to forget mine but I'm used to that.

Simply saying "cut spending" is not a solution, Semi.

How is your lack of action working for you?

[SemiAuto]

All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing.

Yet you voted and the result is a man who claims a power to secretly decide to kill you. You acted but you still got evil. It may have not been the result you desired but it is the one you got.

Simply saying "cut spending" is not a solution, Semi.

Yet we've been over this before.

How is your lack of action working for you?

Not well but at least I'm not wasting time tilting at windmills.

Now back to the topic at hand. Is there a point where taxes are too high for you?