Gun Ownership Is One Way Americans Lead The World

[songfourone]

With less than 5 percent of the world's population, the United States is home to roughly 35-50 percent of the world's civilian-owned guns, heavily skewing the global geography of firearms and any relative comparison.

The U.S. also leads wealthy nations in gun homicides, with a rate ten times that of other countries in NATO. This doesn't say much for the NRA's calls for more Americans to arm themselves and their schools in the wake of the Newtown tragedy.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/0...n_2536099.html

[markh]

Okay on the homicide rate but most of those countries are only the size of one of our states. Those numbers are skewed.

With less than 5 percent of the world's population, the United States is home to roughly 35-50 percent of the world's civilian-owned guns, heavily skewing the global geography of firearms and any relative comparison.

The U.S. also leads wealthy nations in gun homicides, with a rate ten times that of other countries in NATO. This doesn't say much for the NRA's calls for more Americans to arm themselves and their schools in the wake of the Newtown tragedy.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/0...n_2536099.html

[songfourone]

Okay on the homicide rate but most of those countries are only the size of one of our states. Those numbers are skewed.

Please tell me what is skewed about those numbers? It states the amount of guns per 100 people.

[WKDWZD]

Okay on the homicide rate but most of those countries are only the size of one of our states. Those numbers are skewed.

How so, it's guns per 100 people, simple percentages, the number of overall citizens per country is irrelevant.

[ivanbalt]

With less than 5 percent of the world's population, the United States is home to roughly 35-50 percent of the world's civilian-owned guns, heavily skewing the global geography of firearms and any relative comparison.

The U.S. also leads wealthy nations in gun homicides, with a rate ten times that of other countries in NATO. This doesn't say much for the NRA's calls for more Americans to arm themselves and their schools in the wake of the Newtown tragedy.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/0...n_2536099.html

If this country wants to do something about the homicide rate, might want to take a look at the "war on drugs"...

[bmorepunk]

How so, it's guns per 100 people, simple percentages, the number of overall citizens per country is irrelevant.

You can't compare stuff with rates, bro, it's skewed. It's just unnatural. I eat 14 double cheeseburgers per day, my friend only eats one. He looks okay but I'm fat as hell. You can't compare the cheeseburger consumption rate because I weigh three times as much as he does.

You're not the only one who feels like he's taking crazy pills.

[markh]

I was talking about the homicide rate. It doesn't say homicide per 100 people anywhere in that article. It only says the rate of gun ownership per 100 is higher. That's how they dupe liberals into being scared. They confuse them with BS stats.

[songfourone]

You can't compare stuff with rates, bro, it's skewed. It's just unnatural. I eat 14 double cheeseburgers per day, my friend only eats one. He looks okay but I'm fat as hell. You can't compare the cheeseburger consumption rate because I weigh three times as much as he does.

You're not the only one who feels like he's taking crazy pills.

Sleep it off, and try again tomorrow.

[songfourone]

I was talking about the homicide rate. It doesn't say homicide per 100 people anywhere in that article. It only says the rate of gun ownership per 100 is higher. That's how they dupe liberals into being scared. They confuse them with BS stats.

Because it was an article on gun ownership by country.........

Ahhhh you were out partying with bmorepunk, now we all understand.

[Woodbuchr]

We're #1! We're #1! We're #1!!!

Really, I am sure all those Mexican drug cartels weapons are registered and accounted for as are all the firearms I see on the news being wielded by the Afghan, Syrian, Iraqi, etc. rebels, insurgents, and freedom fighters.

I am also sure all the people being killed by those same drug cartels, insurgents, etc. are counted. Oh, wait, you said wealthy nations. So all the people getting killed by unregistered guns in the countries I mentioned don't count because they are not wealthy.

Your post even admits that because of the info provided any comaprison is skewed:

heavily skewing the global geography of firearms and any relative comparison.

As for what it says about any NRA comment, maybe we just have more criminals here because they know they can literally get away with murder because our court system doesn't prosecute strongly enough and the criminals don't have as much to fear as they do in other countries.

Now let's have a snide comment instead of actual debate.

[songfourone]

We're #1! We're #1! We're #1!!!

Really, I am sure all those Mexican drug cartels weapons are registered and accounted for as are all the firearms I see on the news being wielded by the Afghan, Syrian, Iraqi, etc. rebels, insurgents, and freedom fighters.

I am also sure all the people being killed by those same drug cartels, insurgents, etc. are counted. Oh, wait, you said wealthy nations. So all the people getting killed by unregistered guns in the countries I mentioned don't count because they are not wealthy.

Your post even admits that because of the info provided any comaprison is skewed:

As for what it says about any NRA comment, maybe we just have more criminals here because they know they can literally get away with murder because our court system doesn't prosecute strongly enough and the criminals don't have as much to fear as they do in other countries.

Now let's have a snide comment instead of actual debate.

Read the quote again, then look up skewed.

The report crunched more numbers:

With less than 5 percent of the world's population, the United States is home to roughly 35-50 percent of the world's civilian-owned guns, heavily skewing the global geography of firearms and any relative comparison.

[kudzu]

Read the quote again, then look up skewed.

The report crunched more numbers:

With less than 5 percent of the world's population, the United States is home to roughly 35-50 percent of the world's civilian-owned guns, heavily skewing the global geography of firearms and any relative comparison.

I've got six guns. Never committed a crime with any of them.

So why do you want to take them away so badly ?

[songfourone]

I've got six guns. Never committed a crime with any of them.

So why do you want to take them away so badly ?

Did I ever say I wanted to take your guns?

[kudzu]

Did I ever say I wanted to take your guns?

Not directly, no.

But I can read between the lines.

Does it matter to you what type of guns I have ?

[Woodbuchr]

Read the quote again, then look up skewed.

The report crunched more numbers:

With less than 5 percent of the world's population, the United States is home to roughly 35-50 percent of the world's civilian-owned guns, heavily skewing the global geography of firearms and any relative comparison.

definition of skewed:

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/skew

transitive verb
1: to make, set, or cut on the skew
2: to distort especially from a true value or symmetrical form <skewed statistical data>

Examples of SKEW
They were accused of skewing the facts to fit their theory.
He accused them of skewing the rules in their favor.

Okay, so your quoted source

heavily skewing the global geography of firearms and any relative comparison.

admits that any relative comparison would be distorted. What do you disagree with? We must be looking at the same thing and seeing 2 different things.

[cprenegade]

So, assuming this is a problem, what is the solution to the problem?

[Calamari]

definition of skewed:

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/skew



Okay, so your quoted source admits that any relative comparison would be distorted. What do you disagree with? We must be looking at the same thing and seeing 2 different things.

Is there any reason you left the rest of the quote out?

Skewed does not mean incorrect in statistics. It refers to the shape, or distribution, of the curve.

The meaning becomes obvious when you actually quote the entire bit:

With less than 5 percent of the world's population, the United States is home to roughly 35-50 percent of the world's civilian-owned guns, heavily skewing the global geography of firearms and any relative comparison.

[Woodbuchr]

Is there any reason you left the rest of the quote out?

Skewed does not mean incorrect in statistics. It refers to the shape, or distribution, of the curve.

The meaning becomes obvious when you actually quote the entire bit:

I left the rest of the quote out because it was not necessary. The discussion was that a relative comparison of gun ownership and population would be skewed given the data presented. Had the US had 95% of the world's population and 1% of the guns the data would have been skewed as well.

I did not say the statistics were incorrect. I said they were "distorted".

As for the definition of skewed you can take that up with the online Merriam-Webster dictionary if you are so inclined. I quoted, from the cited source, the part of the definition that was pertinent to the discussion. Here is the other part which, IMO, does not apply in this case:

intransitive verb
1: to take an oblique course
2: to look askance

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/skew

[Abatis]

The U.S. also leads wealthy nations in gun homicides, with a rate ten times that of other countries in NATO. This doesn't say much for the NRA's calls for more Americans to arm themselves and their schools in the wake of the Newtown tragedy.

Well, whose hands those guns are in, is a vital determinative factor in how many people are murdered by guns.

Some facts:

60 percent of U.S. firearm homicides occur in the 62 cities of the country’s 50 largest metros.

In many large metros / cities, between 70% and 91% of both murder victims and perpetrators have criminal histories.

These people are already prohibited from owning any gun . . .

Liberal hug-a-thug policies have allowed this violent, armed criminal underclass to operate and re-re-re--re-offend without any meaningful restriction:

"One thing we have to be aware of to give context
to this whole problem is that we are looking
at an urban problem. It’s much less a suburban or
rural problem. It really affects young minorities—
Hispanic and black males. I think that the suspects
devalue life, the victims devalue life, and the system
also devalues life. When you look at the shooting
victims and suspects in these neighborhoods, you
see 20 or 30 felony arrests, with eight convictions.
Often the convictions don’t result in any jail
time at all; they’re getting probation on top of
probation. . . . and it has made it very difficult for us
to establish a person as a convicted felon. . . .
in St. Louis, a weapons violation can turn
out to be no offense at all.

An individual will get arrested for a weapons charge,
which is a felony, and often they plead to that case
and get an SIS—a suspended imposition of sentence.
It means that if you serve out your probation, which
everybody does, that conviction is erased.

So if you’re arrested again with another weapon, you
don’t have a conviction on your record, so you’re not
a felon in possession of a weapon. If you continue to
get multiple SISs, you never become a convicted felon.

These offenders will often show up for other crimes,
and if they never have a conviction, then you’re never
able to put stiffer charges on them."

St. Louis Police Chief Dan Isom

I support catch and release for fish, not violent armed criminals.

Note also that these repeat violent gun offenders NEVER get on the "prohibited person" list so they can go into a gun store and pick out a gun and pass the background check! So, just to clear dockets and keep prosecutor's "conviction" rates high, they let these guys out and expunge their records again and again and again . . .

This problem will be solved by restricting the rights of the law abiding?

Howsabout you TRY to control that small segment of society who have proven that they only use guns to harm and kill before you advocate controlling law-abiding citizens????

So, I would say that the USA allows ten times the number of violent armed criminals who are prohibited from owning a gun to roam the streets and kill people. That is the more important stat, the one that directly impacts the homicide rate . . . not how many legal guns are owned by non-criminals.

[Calamari]

I left the rest of the quote out because it was not necessary.

Actually it was entirely necessary, as it explained what they meant by skewed. It seems like you went to great lengths to hide the part of the sentence that explains what you were asking about, which is odd.

In statistics, skew is just how asymmetric the distribution is. That's not a criticism of the validity of the data, and certainly does not mean they are distorted. That is how they are.