Joe Flacco or Matt Ryan

[Frank Costanza 831]

No, just your ignorance.

You guys have won with a mediocre QB before. Maybe you can do it again. That doesn't suddenly make him a great QB.

And that makes me ignorant how? Are the Redskins at home? Yes. Are the Falcons at home? Yes. Are the Ravens in the Super Bowl? Yes. Haven't seen any inaccuracies in any of those statements. Perhaps you are the one that is ignorant

[Frank Costanza 831]

No, just your ignorance.

You guys have won with a mediocre QB before. Maybe you can do it again. That doesn't suddenly make him a great QB.

and for the record, smart guy Dilfer wasn't even a mediocre QB. The guy was a bust that got ran out of town in Tampa and is hands down the worst QB to ever win the Super Bowl. Not sure what point you were trying to make by even bringing him up

[ivanbalt]

No, just your ignorance.

You guys have won with a mediocre QB before. Maybe you can do it again. That doesn't suddenly make him a great QB.

Flacco was definitely mediocre the past three weeks.

I wish he could be a top fantasy quarterback and injured for the playoffs.

[CajunRaven]

Time to bring this 5 year debate back up. What do you think? I say Flacco by far

Flacco. Just win baby.

[Aclobat]

Flacco was definitely mediocre the past three weeks.

I wish he could be a top fantasy quarterback and injured for the playoffs.

Well, Fantasy playoffs was like in week 14-16. So yea, bob griffen tore it up in fantasy playoffs(NM, that was cousins)

[CajunRaven]

I'd take Ryan becuase he is more accurate.

Very accurate at losing in the playoffs.

[can you hear me now!]

bottom line in the NFL...wins....everything else doesn't matter.....accuracy is overrated...winning is not....

pretty boy stats are for fantasy geeks and losers.....

[OriginalColtsFan]

put Joe in a dome with Ryan's weapons playing against the NFC south.......4500 yds, 35 tds, 8 ints....

This, this, and some more of this!!

[HAIL2BNG]

bottom line in the NFL...wins....everything else doesn't matter.....accuracy is overrated...winning is not....

pretty boy stats are for fantasy geeks and losers.....

Not when you're comparing individual players in team sports. You have won with Flacco only completing 54% of his passes. That doesn't make him great all of the sudden.

[Brohan]

This would be a good question for Ozzie Newsome since he wanted Ryan and tried to trade up to get him.

[NCBirdfan]

Not when you're comparing individual players in team sports. You have won with Flacco only completing 54% of his passes. That doesn't make him great all of the sudden.

Where are you getting your stats? Or are you fibbing? Flacco has completed over 60% of his passes in his career with many drops the way. I guess your 54% number was used to make your point - no matter how inaccurate you are. Oh wait...I thought you liked accuracy!

[HAIL2BNG]

Those are his stats from this years playoffs.

[Slidemaster]

No, just your ignorance.

You guys have won with a mediocre QB before. Maybe you can do it again. That doesn't suddenly make him a great QB.

Come on now. Flacco is much better than Dilfer ever was.

[Ravens2006]

Joe's at 60% for his career, which is how a reasonable person evaluates a player overall... not just by cherry-picking a handful of games. And completing 75% of your throws with 3 TDs and 3 INTs can actually be worse than completing 50% with 1 TD and 0 INTs. The fantasy mindset has a hard time with that one. As stated before, it's a team game. We don't know what "his numbers" would be for his career if he had different receivers, a different OL, a different coordinator, a different stadium, a different set of division / conference foes (his TD / INT numbers and "rating" is much better against the NFC by the way; wonder what kind of numbers he'd put up if he played 12 games there instead of 4 every year), etc. etc. etc.

Like another guy that everybody is all hot and bothered over... completed only 51% of his passes this year in two contests against the BAL and PIT defenses, then completed only 52% of his throws in a one-and-done playoff run where he captained a team that blew a 14 point lead at home. I guess he's mediocre too, when you really take a close look at performance against quality opponents and in crunch time.

[can you hear me now!]

Not when you're comparing individual players in team sports. You have won with Flacco only completing 54% of his passes. That doesn't make him great all of the sudden.

ah yes, the indivudal comparisons...the only time that works is when each competes under the same exact conditions and circumstances, which they do not, so to keep harping on individual stats is a cannard at best and a crutch for those who cannot accept reality..I get it.....you keep wanting to play this game on paper...go for it...just don't expect people to by into it....

if you think completion percentage is that important to go look up Bradshaw and Elway...look at their stats, especially completion percentage...I doubt anyone would say either of these two weren't great players...they are in the HOF...

I know how much you hate facts...Flacco's career completion pecentage is over 60%....54% for three games they've won is not the sample you might want to hang your hat on...especially when the team is averaging 30 points a game, he's thrown for 8 tds and 0 ints and will be hoisting the Lombardi in 9 days....

go back to fighting with oldfan....it was much more entertaining and you had a leg to stand on...

get back to me when the light goes on....

[Peej7245]

Where are you getting your stats? Or are you fibbing? Flacco has completed over 60% of his passes in his career...

People seem to forget that many of Flacco's passing attempts are downfield in the (20 - 40 yards) range. The completion percentage will of course be lower due to the distance thrown (naturally risky) and the impact of wind gusts (see the NE game).

Compare that to the qb with a 70% completion rate who throws 80% of his passes in the 10-15 yard range!

Finally, why are we piddle-farting about fantasy stats?

The only Statistic I think we need to focus on is this: Who is in the Super Bowl?!?!?!? Where are all those "elite" QBs? Planning their house parties to WATCH Flacco in the SB!

[AFKAR7]

I'd take Ryan becuase he is more accurate.

That's great but I will stick with the guy who wins in the playoffs.

[HAIL2BNG]

People seem to forget that many of Flacco's passing attempts are downfield in the (20 - 40 yards) range. The completion percentage will of course be lower due to the distance thrown (naturally risky) and the impact of wind gusts (see the NE game).

Compare that to the qb with a 70% completion rate who throws 80% of his passes in the 10-15 yard range!

Finally, why are we piddle-farting about fantasy stats?

The only Statistic I think we need to focus on is this: Who is in the Super Bowl?!?!?!? Where are all those "elite" QBs? Planning their house parties to WATCH Flacco in the SB!

Dilfer, Rypien, Neil O'Donnell, Rex Grossman, etc etc. what do they all have in common?

[bleedingorangeandblack]

ah bait

[NCBirdfan]

Dilfer, Rypien, Neil O'Donnell, Rex Grossman, etc etc. what do they all have in common?

Fatheads on your walls?