Typical Baltimore police misconduct costs them $500,000.00

[Marshan Man]

What a win for this young gentlemen!






http://baltimore.cbslocal.com/2013/0...00-settlement/

And a loss for taxpayers. SMH...

[musicmd]

He's a black man. In Omaha's mind that makes him a bottom feeder

Omaha claims he is a lawyer

[musicmd]

NEWSFLASH: The majority don't wonder at all.

News flash, how would you know ?

[musicmd]

That should teach the youth in the City!

Run amok, take chances, rape rob, and murder...You too could be in for a big payday!!!

What a great cop, you are !

[bmore_ken]

Omaha claims he is a lawyer

Ummm yeah

[Lawman 27]

How do you know what ANYONE is thinking? I'm a Wizard and even I can't read minds. As far as that goes, there is no greater trespass than violating the sanctum of the mind. People would do well to never forget that.!

To my knowledge, only the Almighty can read minds.

I am pointing out that younger people may not look at the totality of the circumstances before coming to a conclusion. This has nothing to do with race, etc...It has to do with younger people being quicker to decide something based on limited facts.

What a great cop, you are !

WAS! Get your tenses correct. I was a Baltimore City Cop and was proud to do the job with honor, dedication and integrity.

Over the years the department has come to resent Officers with those principles.

Want to see the taxpayers off the hook for these lawsuits? Simple. Make it clear to the Officers that if they engage in conduct like this and they are sued by bottom feeders like Dwight Pettit that if a jury of their peers(hee hee) awards the plaintiffs hundreds of thousands or millions that the City is not going to indemnify them for those judgments.

Therein lies another rub...The City has shown it is more than happy to give out large sums of money, no matter what the reality was. That means many cops are afraid to do their jobs for fear of being involved in a law suit.

Do you remember the lady who sued for excessive force at Reisterstown Rd Plaza? She claimed the Officer threw her down thus breaking her arm. Only thing was, NO ONE (Civilian or Officer) witnessed her incident. NO VIDEO camera recorded her incident. CBIF (which is quick to refuse suspects who are injured) did not know about the broken arm AND OH, BY THE WAY...The X-rays showed no break. That did not stop the City from giving her a $10K payday. (A week after the payout, she was in the news claiming another story too).

Now I have already said that these Officers were wrong, I am saying:

1) It makes the job of the (few remaining) honest Cops harder.
2) It makes the City look like they are quick to pay out if the case is real or not.

[Lawman 27]

Here are my questions:

What is wrong with the City hiring Officers of integrity?
What is wrong with the City hiring Officers of honor and moral values?
What is wrong with the City hiring Officers who want to be there?

I could just as easily ask:

Why does the department see such Officers as a threat?
Why does the department do all it can to rid itself of such Officers?
Why does the department not want to hire such Officers?

[Wizard777]

To my knowledge, only the Almighty can read minds.

I am pointing out that younger people may not look at the totality of the circumstances before coming to a conclusion. This has nothing to do with race, etc...It has to do with younger people being quicker to decide something based on limited facts.

I see it's an elaborate ruse orchastrated by teens that are smarter than your average cop like type person.

Where are you going Pookie? I'm going out to get the cops to kidnap me so I can get paid. How are you going to do that Pookie? Uuuuuuh, back to the drawing board.

[Lawman 27]

I see it's an elaborate ruse orchastrated by teens that are smarter than your average cop like type person.

Where are you going Pookie? I'm going out to get the cops to kidnap me so I can get paid. How are you going to do that Pookie? Uuuuuuh, back to the drawing board.

Wiz,

You should know me better than that...

I am not saying that a youngster will try to get kidnapped to get a bonus. I am saying that, the kids might assume a payday in other aspects.

Kids already know that they can disrepect Police at the Inner Harbor and get away with it, they know they can run down old people with dirtbikes and get away with it. Why can't a youngster therefore commit a crime, get his friends to film the arrest, go 'off' on the Officer and try for a payout because the Officer fought to control the arrest?

[Saticon3]

Here are my questions:

What is wrong with the City hiring Officers of integrity?
What is wrong with the City hiring Officers of honor and moral values?
What is wrong with the City hiring Officers who want to be there?

I could just as easily ask:

Why does the department see such Officers as a threat?
Why does the department do all it can to rid itself of such Officers?
Why does the department not want to hire such Officers?

Here is my thing on your posts on this thread:

Point 1.)
Yes, we all know there are plenty of frivolous and out and out false complaints about officers doing their jobs properly. That's a given. The vast majority of police officers are dedicated professionals and perform thier duties reflective of that.

Point 2.)
But, imho, in this PARTICULAR case, the officers were unquestionably wrong.

To link, consider or discuss # 1 in conjunction with #2 is just disingenuous.

I don't know if I'm articulating my thoughts clearly, but maybe another way to put it is you're hitching your horse to the wrong cart.

Or, it kind of reminds me of the old argument like between Repubs and Dems, when one transgresses, the defense is "but they do it too" or "but let me tell you what they did" when the former has nothing to do with the latter. What do the smart guys call it, a non-sequiter or something like that?

[musicmd]

To my knowledge, only the Almighty can read minds.

I am pointing out that younger people may not look at the totality of the circumstances before coming to a conclusion. This has nothing to do with race, etc...It has to do with younger people being quicker to decide something based on limited facts.




WAS! Get your tenses correct. I was a Baltimore City Cop and was proud to do the job with honor, dedication and integrity.

Over the years the department has come to resent Officers with those principles.



Therein lies another rub...The City has shown it is more than happy to give out large sums of money, no matter what the reality was. That means many cops are afraid to do their jobs for fear of being involved in a law suit.

Do you remember the lady who sued for excessive force at Reisterstown Rd Plaza? She claimed the Officer threw her down thus breaking her arm. Only thing was, NO ONE (Civilian or Officer) witnessed her incident. NO VIDEO camera recorded her incident. CBIF (which is quick to refuse suspects who are injured) did not know about the broken arm AND OH, BY THE WAY...The X-rays showed no break. That did not stop the City from giving her a $10K payday. (A week after the payout, she was in the news claiming another story too).

Now I have already said that these Officers were wrong, I am saying:

1) It makes the job of the (few remaining) honest Cops harder.
2) It makes the City look like they are quick to pay out if the case is real or not.

What a bad cop you were, The Police FU

[bmore_ken]

I don't necessarily think he was a bad cop. I just think his opinions are colored by whatever he experienced when he was an officer. He seems to have an ax to grind against the city as well as the people of Baltimore because of whatever he experienced. He sort of hurts his credibility(and personally I respect him greatly most of the time) with statements like young kids are committing crimes in order to goad an officer into doing something that they can sue for as opposed to talking about what should be the real issue of the case which is the unprofessional conduct of the officers.

[Saticon3]

I don't necessarily think he was a bad cop. I just think his opinions are colored by whatever he experienced when he was an officer. He seems to have an ax to grind against the city as well as the people of Baltimore because of whatever he experienced. He sort of hurts his credibility(and personally I respect him greatly most of the time) with statements like young kids are committing crimes in order to goad an officer into doing something that they can sue for as opposed to talking about what should be the real issue of the case which is the unprofessional conduct of the officers.

Good post. It's a tough life and career in many ways Ken-- some officers, maybe even subconsciously, can't get past the "us against them" mindset. Then, due to the nature of the job, not the least factors of which is shift work, officers tend to isolate themselves socially by limiting most off duty social interaction with other police for a large part, which just compounds it.

I'll just leave another little tidbit----- not all , shall we say, "gruff" officers are quite as "gruff" as they project, they may just be venting, coping, or engaging in gallows humor, ala " MASH".

[bmore_ken]

I can only imagine what that job entails on a daily basis, especially in Baltimore City. I jumped out of perfectly good airplanes, marched in 0 degree temperatures with snow up the ying yang, and slept outside on 90 degree nights and I'd still do that stuff all day , every day before I'd take a job as a police officer, especially in the city.

[Omaha Beach]

Most people? Most people 'cept those officers I suppose. Idiots...

To my knowledge, only the Almighty can read minds.

I am pointing out that younger people may not look at the totality of the circumstances before coming to a conclusion. This has nothing to do with race, etc...It has to do with younger people being quicker to decide something based on limited facts.




WAS! Get your tenses correct. I was a Baltimore City Cop and was proud to do the job with honor, dedication and integrity.

Over the years the department has come to resent Officers with those principles.



Therein lies another rub...The City has shown it is more than happy to give out large sums of money, no matter what the reality was. That means many cops are afraid to do their jobs for fear of being involved in a law suit.

Do you remember the lady who sued for excessive force at Reisterstown Rd Plaza? She claimed the Officer threw her down thus breaking her arm. Only thing was, NO ONE (Civilian or Officer) witnessed her incident. NO VIDEO camera recorded her incident. CBIF (which is quick to refuse suspects who are injured) did not know about the broken arm AND OH, BY THE WAY...The X-rays showed no break. That did not stop the City from giving her a $10K payday. (A week after the payout, she was in the news claiming another story too).

Now I have already said that these Officers were wrong, I am saying:

1) It makes the job of the (few remaining) honest Cops harder.
2) It makes the City look like they are quick to pay out if the case is real or not.

You are right. Every case should be decided individually as to whether the city is going to indemnify the officer. If these cases could be given a change of venue to be tried someplace other than bmore city where the Officers coud get an impartial jury problem would be partially solved.

[Omaha Beach]

I can only imagine what that job entails on a daily basis, especially in Baltimore City. I jumped out of perfectly good airplanes, marched in 0 degree temperatures with snow up the ying yang, and slept outside on 90 degree nights and I'd still do that stuff all day , every day before I'd take a job as a police officer, especially in the city.

What' the matter with the City? Too many African American criminals for you? What a hypocrite you are. Calling other people racists for feeling the same way you do.

[Omaha Beach]

Ummm yeah

University of Baltimore, 1980. Passed bar exam first time unlike Pettit. After he failed it for around the third time claimed the Bar Examiners were racially biased. Gee what a surprise.

[bmore_ken]

What' the matter with the City? Too many African American criminals for you? What a hypocrite you are. Calling other people racists for feeling the same way you do.

What racist feelings? You seriously need some help.

[bmore_ken]

University of Baltimore, 1980. Passed bar exam first time unlike Pettit. After he failed it for around the third time claimed the Bar Examiners were racially biased. Gee what a surprise.

Sure

[Wizard777]

Wiz,

You should know me better than that...

I am not saying that a youngster will try to get kidnapped to get a bonus. I am saying that, the kids might assume a payday in other aspects.

Kids already know that they can disrepect Police at the Inner Harbor and get away with it, they know they can run down old people with dirtbikes and get away with it. Why can't a youngster therefore commit a crime, get his friends to film the arrest, go 'off' on the Officer and try for a payout because the Officer fought to control the arrest?

As far getting paid goes there are far better and easier way of doing that than suing. What the civil court does is compensate you for provable losses. It's not hitting the lottery. More so than not it's actually a losing proposition because the lawyer can get 1/3 or more. Pain and suffering is usually medical bills x 3. But that's just what the lawyer asks for. That doesn't mean you are going to get it. You run up 50,000.00 in medical bills. Your expecting a 150,000.00 payday on pain and suffering. Then the jury awards you 1.00 for pain and suffering. The worst part is it took you 5 years to get that 1.00 award. If they appeal because they feel there should be a division of liability on the 50,000.00 in medical bills because you are partially at fault. It could be another 2-5 years before you see that 1.00. Then you have to give the lawyer .33 of that 1.00.

Maybe you should have more faith in kids and the courts than cops that kidnap and abuse kids.