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    Quote Originally Posted by Contumacious View Post
    Chavez was elected. Three times...

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    Quote Originally Posted by soulflower View Post
    Chavez was elected. Three times...
    Meaning?

    So he learned from Obama that the parasites vote, early and often.

    Once the state becomes the provider the masses can be manipulated to do anything.

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    Quote Originally Posted by soulflower View Post
    How'd that work out for the Confederacy?
    Does that make it right that they were denied their rights? Is that your logic?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Contumacious View Post
    Meaning?

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    Meaning he's not a dictator and it's none of our business who Venezuela chooses to be their President...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Smokey 1 View Post
    Does that make it right that they were denied their rights? Is that your logic?
    In the case of the Civil War, yes. We wouldn't be the nation we are today if the South had won...

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    Quote Originally Posted by soulflower View Post
    Chavez was elected. Three times...
    Saddam Hussein was elected too. 100% of the vote.

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/2331951.stm

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    Quote Originally Posted by soulflower View Post
    In the case of the Civil War, yes. We wouldn't be the nation we are today if the South had won...
    Then you approve of tyranny as long as it isn't you that is having your rights denied. I will remember that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Contumacious View Post
    Because he has power and control

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    Quote Originally Posted by Smokey 1 View Post
    Then you approve of tyranny as long as it isn't you that is having your rights denied. I will remember that.
    Tyranny against wealthy slave owners? Thanks for the early morning laugh

    We have a democratic system that works. The country swings from Right to Left and Left to Right every generation.

    Discussion of taking up arms against the governing majority is just loony. It was crazy when the Left talked that way in the 60s and 70s and its crazy people on the Right doing it today.

    If you feel like the majority of the country is tyrannical, you should leave. Go to a country that is more friendly to your governing philosophy..

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    Hitler was also elected.

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    Quote Originally Posted by soulflower View Post
    Tyranny against wealthy slave owners? Thanks for the early morning laugh

    We have a democratic system that works. The country swings from Right to Left and Left to Right every generation.

    Discussion of taking up arms against the governing majority is just loony. It was crazy when the Left talked that way in the 60s and 70s and its crazy people on the Right doing it today.

    If you feel like the majority of the country is tyrannical, you should leave. Go to a country that is more friendly to your governing philosophy..
    Don't tell me to leave a country where my people were here before yours. Maybe you should leave and go back to Africa. If you don't defend the rights of others then don't expect them to defend your rights. You are nothing special.

    One of the biggest mistakes the British made was allowing slaves to be brought to these shores. Do you agree with that?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Virginia Poe
    Hitler was also elected.
    Hitler was a dictator. Next.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grindelwald View Post
    Hitler was a dictator. Next.
    OBAMA is coming dangerously close...Next....

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    Quote Originally Posted by virginia poe
    obama is coming dangerously close...next....
    ROFLMFAO.


    Next.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Virginia Poe View Post
    OBAMA is coming dangerously close...Next....
    How is Obama coming dangerously close to Hitler? Please, please, tell us how they compare.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Smokey 1 View Post
    Don't tell me to leave a country where my people were here before yours.

    Maybe you should leave and go back to Africa.
    Sorry to offend you but I'm a mutt. My ancestry is African, Irish, and Native American. My grandfather is a white-looking Native American with blue eyes. I share no cultural affinity with Africans or Europeans. My cultural affinity is shared with Northeastern suburban liberal Americans. I have no where to go back to. And since America is a melting pot, I'm as American as one can be.

    Quote Originally Posted by Smokey 1 View Post
    If you don't defend the rights of others then don't expect them to defend your rights. You are nothing special.
    I'm for defending all rights. I just disagree with the view that the 2nd Amendment is the most important of our Rights. There's nothing more important than freedom of speech in a Democratic society.

    Quote Originally Posted by Smokey 1 View Post
    One of the biggest mistakes the British made was allowing slaves to be brought to these shores. Do you agree with that?
    No. But I think the Founding generations of the US should have dealt with the issue rather than kicking the can for a generation or so and letting it lead to a Civil War.

    In Democratic societies, there's always the threat of "tyranny of the majority". Majorities sometimes support bad policies. I get that.

    I have no problem with non-violent civil disobedience or other non-violent ways to voice one's disagreement with "tyranny of the majority".

    But I think it's nuts to even seriously discuss armed resistance to the governing majorities at this point in time. That's not what the 2nd Amendment was meant for. Otherwise, treason wouldn't be a crime...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Abatis View Post
    Your fundamental problem in understanding is evident here. The point is not if gun ownership under a particular form of governance is an allowance under that form of government. The real principle is that the government of the United States has never possessed the power to have any interest whatsoever in the personal arms of the private citizen. And THAT is a totally unique condition!

    Ithink you hit the nail squarely on the head there. I think a big part of the problem is that is the common understanding of the common man Democratic and Republican have ceased to be understood as forms of government. The common understanding of these two terms have deteriorated into them merely being political parties. That obscures that fact that at time the US Constitution guarantees more than what the parties are offering. To be clear the US Constitution creates a democratic (Federal) republican (State) form of government.

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    Quote Originally Posted by soulflower View Post
    Without the freedom to speak out against the government, the rest of the Amendments mean nothing.

    The pen is mightier than the sword my friend...
    Only in metaphorical theory. In the pratical application of physic you'll find that the sword is far more mightier than the pen. We do not live in a metaphorical universe. Since we live in a physical universe, I want something more than a pen protecting me from that freakin' sword.

    Seriouly, what idiot takes a metaphor to a gun fight? You tell an advancing army we have metaphors and pens. I'll bet my bottom dollar and everyone on top of it that they don't retreat. I would tell you to come back and let me know how that works out. But I don't think you would be able to do that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Virginia Poe View Post
    OBAMA is coming dangerously close...Next....
    LOL! Let us know when Help Save Maryland allows its members to vote for its own organizational leaders.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Virginia Poe View Post
    Hitler was also elected.
    Actually, he wasn't. He was appointed by his cronies in the Reichstag.

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