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Thread: The culture wars are over. And the Republicans, largely, lost.

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    Default The culture wars are over. And the Republicans, largely, lost.

    http://whotv.com/2013/01/27/the-insi...kochel-part-4/
    Dave Kochel, a veteran Iowa Republican strategist and 2012 Romney Iowa Campaign Senior Adviser, is now behind a new effort that could prove controversial with some Republican activists.
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    No Republican presidential candidates came out in favor of same-sex marriages during the 2012 cycle, including Romney, Kochel’s candidate. But Kochel now admits, “The culture wars are over. And the Republicans, largely, lost.”

    Kochel wants his party to embrace what he considers a changing national demographic, where the majority now supports equal rights for marriage. He hopes to help lead Iowa Republicans in discussions to embrace that shift.
    http://americablog.com/2013/01/romne...gely-lost.html
    Kochel uses the explanation a number of commentators are now relying on, the “demographic shift.” Namely, younger voters are pro-gay, pro-choice (and pro-environment), and don’t care about the culture war issues. I’d argue that it goes even further than that: Young people care quite a lot about gay rights and women’s right and the environment, and they agree with Democrats on the issues.

    Kochel went on to explain that he talks to his kids, one of whom is in college, and gay marriage and abortion and birth control are “settled issues for younger voters.”
    At this point the folks still upset about gays being able to get married seem like fools fighting for a lost cause. Cue the comparison to the Japanese holdouts in the Pacific theatre, who continued fighting WWII long after the war was over.

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    C'mon, Calamari. Some folks here are still fighting the Civil War.
    Dieser Weg wird kein leichter sein; dieser Weg wird steinig und schwer.
    Nicht mit vielen wirst du dir einig sein, doch dieses Leben bietet so viel mehr. --Xavier Naidoo

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    Right. Change is over. We have reached a point in society where views will never evolve or change.
    And all elections will be won by the left.
    Got it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by demopublican
    Right. Change is over. We have reached a point in society where views will never evolve or change.And all elections will be won by the left.Got it.
    That is not remotely what Calamari said. You must be a blast at parties.

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    God snickers at lyberal "culture wars".

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    Quote Originally Posted by Baltimatt View Post
    C'mon, Calamari. Some folks here are still fighting the Civil War.
    Don't you mean the "War of Northern Agression"?

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheResearcher View Post
    God snickers at lyberal "culture wars".

    That's water in your ears.

    Said "culture wars" exist only in the fevered imagination of betaverse dwellers.

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    Yea, that gay marriage is sweeping the nation. Nine whole states have adopted it. No wonder the gay marriage forces want to have the SC force it on the rest. They saw that work for abortion on demand and Obamacare so why not gay marriage? What other things upon which the Constitution is silent will the "progressives" force on the nation?

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    Where in the Constitution does it prohibit gay marriage? Oh that's right. Nowhere. Keep the government out of people's lives.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grindelwald View Post
    Where in the Constitution does it prohibit gay marriage? Oh that's right. Nowhere. Keep the government out of people's lives.
    The point isn't that it prohibits it but that it is silent on it. Being silent on it, it must be left to the states. Now back to civics class for you.

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    It is left to the states. So what are you whining about? Where did I say it should NOT be left to the states? I have said that I support SSM, but that's about it. Keep in mind that when the Constitution was written, very little was known about homosexuality, and SSM wasn't even a thought.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grindelwald View Post
    It is left to the states. So what are you whining about? Where did I say it should NOT be left to the states? I have said that I support SSM, but that's about it. Keep in mind that when the Constitution was written, very little was known about homosexuality, and SSM wasn't even a thought.
    Abortion policy used to be left to the states, too. People were also once free not to buy insurance and not to have somebody penalize them for making their own decision on the matter. That doesn't give me much confidence that gay marriage will be left to the states either. Ironically, it seems Washington wants to promote policies where the Constitution says they have no power to do so and to prohibit other things where it specifically says they have no power to do that, either. (ie. 2nd amendment)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Baltimatt View Post
    C'mon, Calamari. Some folks here are still fighting the Civil War.
    Hah! That's actualy funny.

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