Oh No Gio!

[Buford]

There's no chance that Hall of Famer Vlad the Impaler needed drugs to enhance his baseball statistics. If you look at his stats year after year during his long career, they're consistently outstanding. Au contraire (French for "in contrast"), the dopsters like Bonds, Arod, McGuire, Palmeiro, Anderson, Roberts, Gibbons, Melky, Gio, Sosa and Miggy show inconsistent stats where they perform very well when doped up and not so well in the clean years.

In many rspects, all those cheaters in effect show the true greatness of superstars like Hall of Famer Vlad the Impaler who was always outstanding without the juice. I see that Nick Johnson just announced his retirement leaving Betemit as the O's likely DH for 2013. Perhaps DD and Buck will wake up and sign the natural, Hall of Famer Vlad the Impaler.

If they do, I change my 2013 prediction from 84-78 and no playoffs to 90-72 and the playoffs. It's up to you DD and Buck - Betemit or Hall of Famer Vlad the Impaler.

Oriole-Bob, is your head spinning yet?

Mine certainly is!!!
A "refreshed" Vlad!!!

[Far from home]

Funny, all the stories refer to Bosch as "Anthony", and Gio refers to him using the more familiar "Tony" in his denial.

I'd venture to guess that Gio really does know "Tony".





On a side note....I'm thinking this is the end of A-Rod's career. It'd be a shame if the Yankees didn't have some kind of clause in his contract, letting them nullify it if something like this happened. They're on the hook for another $114 million between now and 2017 (plus another possible $30m in incentive bonuses)

The real question is, how isn't this considered fraud? Those that use PEDs are presenting themselves as one thing, even though that isn't really who they are, and getting signed to major contracts as a result.

At what point do the authorities start looking at this for what it is?

[soulflower]

I think the accelerated recovery time is an enhancer.

It's an enabler, not an enhancer. Cortisone shots are performance enablers too and they aren't banned.

as you mentioned, that won't make you hit a ball further like winstall (or whatever it's called) but it artificially sustains levels of performance. so it will allow you to play at peak levels when you would otherwise, and naturally, see diminished strength and stamina

At some point, baseball, and professional sports in general is going to have to accept the fact that the genie is out of the bottle on designer drugs and sports medicine.

I don't think athletes should be allowed to take things that alter their bodies(ie Barry Bonds) or eyesight but I don't see why drugs or medical treatments that help them recover from injuries are banned.

[hector]

Mine certainly is!!!
A "refreshed" Vlad!!!

You have the greatest avatar I've ever seen. Congratulations.

[weird-O]

I don't see why drugs or medical treatments that help them recover from injuries are banned.

that would be a good question to have answered by Bud. I'm sure he would fall back on "players' health and safety".

from what I've heard today, HGH doesn't do much on it's own, but in combination with other ingredients, it helps with performance. so the answer to your good question probably lies in that area.

[soulflower]

that would be a good question to have answered by Bud. I'm sure he would fall back on "players' health and safety".

from what I've heard today, HGH doesn't do much on it's own, but in combination with other ingredients, it helps with performance. so the answer to your good question probably lies in that area.

Well HGH is banned in the NFL too. So it's not just baseball. I just don't see why it's called a PED when clearly, if used alone without other substances, it doesn't enhance performance.

[weird-O]

Well HGH is banned in the NFL too. So it's not just baseball. I just don't see why it's called a PED when clearly, if used alone without other substances, it doesn't enhance performance.

that's a good question.

[Jimmy Jazz]

This site is saying nothing listed in the clinics records for Gonzalez fall under banned substances.
http://misterirrelevant.com/index.ph...d-clinic-miam/

NONE of the ingredients in AminoRip are on the MLB’s banned substances list, nor is Zinc and MIC (Methionine, Inositol, Choline). We cross-checked them all against the banned list.

[hector]

This site is saying nothing listed in the clinics records for Gonzalez fall under banned substances.
http://misterirrelevant.com/index.ph...d-clinic-miam/

Let's not be too quick to absolve GG. Remember Davey Johnson was also the manager of the 1996 O's when Brady Anderson, Raffy and Alomar were doing great things with a little help from the "doctor." I wouldn't be surprised if Johnson wasn't pushing his players in that direction. No-one ever said Davey Johnson was stupid and if he didn't suspect (or even encourage) such behavior in 1996, he'd have to be an idiot (which he isn't).

[soulflower]

This site is saying nothing listed in the clinics records for Gonzalez fall under banned substances.
http://misterirrelevant.com/index.ph...d-clinic-miam/

While that may be true, one still has to wonder why he would choose that particular clinic and pay so much for Over the Counter stuff?

If the article is true, it still smells fishy even if he isn't connected to any banned substances...

[hector]

While that may be true, one still has to wonder why he would choose that particular clinic and pay so much for Over the Counter stuff?

If the article is true, it still smells fishy even if he isn't connected to any banned substances...

I always tell clients - when all else fails, consider the obvious. Gio goes to a crooked doctor whose records show premium prices for Over the Counter stuff. Do you think just maybe that he got the peds and the crooked doctor just decided to leave it out of the record? Consider the obvious.

[hector]

Looking at his career stats, Gio was awful in 2008 and 2009 and fantastic in 2010 through 2012. Sure looks like he became a "patient" of "Doctor Dope" right after the 2009 season.

If the publicity forces Gio off the drugs, he'll be lousy in 2013 just as he was in 2008 and 2009. He'll probably fake an injury and recuperate on the disabled list for a couple months.

[soulflower]

Everyone seems too quick to trust the Miami tabloid that broke the story about these players. It's best to wait for the MLB to complete their investigation:

Rodriguez denies the allegations, as has the Washington Nationals’ Gio Gonzalez, who’s also listed in the notebooks. And there may be good reason to question the evidence: The file described above gives Feb. 7, 2009 as a Monday, when it was in fact a Saturday. Another entry implicating A-Rod shows up in the "2010" book below the date Monday, Nov. 21, though the 21st fell on a Sunday in 2010. If we trust the listed days, then the records would seem to have been misfiled—those dates would match the days of the week for 2011 or 2005, not 2009 or 2010.


http://www.slate.com/articles/sports...an_growth.html

[Jimmy Jazz]

Let's not be too quick to absolve GG. Remember Davey Johnson was also the manager of the 1996 O's when Brady Anderson, Raffy and Alomar were doing great things with a little help from the "doctor." I wouldn't be surprised if Johnson wasn't pushing his players in that direction. No-one ever said Davey Johnson was stupid and if he didn't suspect (or even encourage) such behavior in 1996, he'd have to be an idiot (which he isn't).

It's my intention to absolve anyone, I'm just relaying what I saw reported.

While that may be true, one still has to wonder why he would choose that particular clinic and pay so much for Over the Counter stuff?

If the article is true, it still smells fishy even if he isn't connected to any banned substances...

Beats me. Gonzalez's dad said this which also sounds weird to me:

"My son works very, very hard, and he's as clean as apple pie," the elder Gonzalez says. "I went to Tony because I needed to lose weight. A friend recommended him, and he did great work for me. But that's it. He never met my son. Never. And if I knew he was doing these things with steroids, do you think I'd be dumb enough to go there?"

[weird-O]

the latest thing I heard about Gio is that his name appears 5 times in the ledger. sometimes it's just his name, other times the entry says Max/Gio. this suggests Max took home some goodies for Gio. he is listed as receiving "pink cream". this pink cream has already been identified as an HGH/testosterone designer PED.

furthermore, Gio sent an instagram photo a couple months ago, of him and his workout buddy Jimmy Goins. Goins works for the athletic dept at the U of Miami. this guy is also on the list as a confirmed recipient of the pink cream.

as someone said on the radio last night, why would this doctor hand write false entries about Gio Gonzalez, what would he have to gain by faking Gio as a patient who gets PEDs from his office?

[Jeebus]

as someone said on the radio last night, why would this doctor hand write false entries about Gio Gonzalez, what would he have to gain by faking Gio as a patient who gets PEDs from his office?

Implied credibility with his targeted bunch of loser customers/patients.

Doc: "Hey, Gio uses this stuff, it will help you!"
Loser: "I lift tings up und put dem down."
Doc: "We have many other pro athletes who get it from us!"
Loser: "I lift tings up und put dem down."

[soulflower]

the latest thing I heard about Gio is that his name appears 5 times in the ledger. sometimes it's just his name, other times the entry says Max/Gio. this suggests Max took home some goodies for Gio. he is listed as receiving "pink cream". this pink cream has already been identified as an HGH/testosterone designer PED.

furthermore, Gio sent an instagram photo a couple months ago, of him and his workout buddy Jimmy Goins. Goins works for the athletic dept at the U of Miami. this guy is also on the list as a confirmed recipient of the pink cream.

as someone said on the radio last night, why would this doctor hand write false entries about Gio Gonzalez, what would he have to gain by faking Gio as a patient who gets PEDs from his office?

If the story is true it doesn't look good for Gio or the others involved but that's a big "If" given that the Miami New Times doesn't have a good reputation. It's known as a tabloid around Miami

[weird-O]

If the story is true it doesn't look good for Gio or the others involved but that's a big "If" given that the Miami New Times doesn't have a good reputation. It's known as a tabloid around Miami

for what it's worth, the ex-employee of the Dr's office came to them with the story. he gave them the ledgers over 3 months ago. instead of going for the quick release, they sat on the info until they could dig into it and make sure it had legs.

I don't know if that validates anything, but it seems worth mentioning.

[soulflower]

for what it's worth, the ex-employee of the Dr's office came to them with the story. he gave them the ledgers over 3 months ago. instead of going for the quick release, they sat on the info until they could dig into it and make sure it had legs.

I don't know if that validates anything, but it seems worth mentioning.

Nothing is really valid until the MLB completes their investigation.

Based on the fact that the article heavily relies on handwritten notes with screwed up dates, it would be a travesty if any of the players involved were penalized based on that evidence alone.

[weird-O]

here's an interesting point brought up by Bob Costas.

'these athletes have access to the best equipment, trainers and medical advancements in the world. yet they always seem to find some shady Dr. working out of a shoe box in a strip mall.'

it's a really good point.

Barry Bonds was known as being obsessive about his health and wellness. but when asked about his use of the cream and the clear, he said he didn't know what it was. he was using. someone told him to take it and so he just did. really?

if you're Nelson Cruz, wouldn't you look into a doctor's history and situation before going to him? and once you find out their list of clients include several known PED users, isn't that a good time to say, no thanks. doesn't that kind of flashing warning sign inspire you to look for someone else? why not call your team's physician or trainer and ask them to help you find a good Dr.?

this is the stuff that makes it real hard to believe they didn't know what they were doing.