Popping Wheelies in Charm City

[demopublican]

Oh? What exactly do plumbers and project managers look like outside of work?
Ken, just stop.

That depends on how stupid and thuggish they are.

[bmore_ken]

That depends on how stupid and thuggish they are.

I'm pretty sure the guy who had no shirt on and had his boxers showing wasn't a plumber or a project manager

[jessup270]

How do Baltimore City police handle cases when one of the wheelie boys gets involved in an accident with a licensed law abiding vehicle operator?

What is standard procedure?

[Spot72]

People with significant incomes sense in their heads would not risk it riding an I legal vehicle on the road.

In a ideal world but we are not living in that world. History has shown that in multiple areas of government and in the private sector you have found citizens who have risked their high paying salaries engaging in unethical and illegal practices. To state that there are no tax paying citizens out of the 300 or so riders is simply false and a outrageous claim to make.

If they are law abiding gentlemen like you describe they will simply inform me that they are taxpayers and then produce the legal documents that allow them to operate those vehicles on public streets.

How do you think they will react spot?

All in the approach, it's not far-fetched that the majority of the riders may take offense at being accused or stereotyped as non tax paying citizens. The riders may indicate that the action of riding on Baltimore roads in which they help pay for in taxes is the end product of a lack of response from city government in addressing their matter.

[demopublican]

I am sure they are almost all citizens and have paid taxes.
But I would question if they are law abiding and positive members of society.
Is it possible that there are city employees participating? Absofreekinglutly. I think I saw a city councilman in there at one point.

[Lawman 27]

The park should at least be worth a consideration. Truth is the department does not have the man power to chase over 100 ATV's and the 150-200 dirtbikes on these summer Sunday afternoons. An attempt of this would not be effective and would endanger citizens in the surrounding areas. Could you imagine a leo attempting to do this? The drivers of these vehicles know these alleys and cuts better than anyone and will be more than willing to take a leo on a wild goose chase. Let's practice safety here for our innocent civilians and our patrolmen.

The park would be a consideration IF you had riders interested in safe fun. As noted (and as I have witnessed) these are not cute cuddily kiddies. These are scumbags trying to interfere with honest citizens.

Police COULD actually solve the problem, but you have the Mayor and City Council to deal with. (They get more 'political' mileage by allowing crimes like this then standing up against it). As it stands, Police are ORDERED NOT to do anything, and ANY INVOLVEMENT means swift action against the Officers involved.

How do Baltimore City police handle cases when one of the wheelie boys gets involved in an accident with a licensed law abiding vehicle operator?

What is standard procedure? .

As a rule (this is from my experience), after the accident, the rider quickly flees his bike (even if he is injuried, he flees). If the neighbors are quick they get the dirtbike and secure it before Police arrival. So the Police have no suspect present and no bike either.

In one incident (on Gist Ave): An accident happened, the rider fled, and his bike was secured by a neighbor (who sided with the rider over the Police). BECAUSE I KNEW THE POS rider, I wrote a warrant for him. In court the State dropped the charges (SOP for Baltimore City). To my knowledge, the car owner's insurance company paid for the car owner's damage.

In one incident (on Ethelbert Ave): An accident happened, the rider fled, but his bike was left in the street too long and we (the Police) got to the scene before it could be secured. Around 5 minutes after the accident the rider returned and claimed it was his bike (but that it was stolen and riden by his exact twin). Needless to say, he didn't get the bike back. As for charges though, the vehicle driver (a visitor to Pimlico race track) was so shaken up by the incident that they did not want to pursue anything.

Oh? What exactly do plumbers and project managers look like outside of work?
Ken, just stop.

ALL of the riders I saw in the Northwest District were young males. (I am not being sexist, the truth is I never saw a female rider). The ages varied from about 12 to about 20 years of age. It is possible (in theory) that these kids were nuclear rocket scientist, but I tend to doubt it.

Spot, you seem like an intelligent person. If I may suggest, walk outside of your office someday and see what the real world is like.

[sigmalady]

I'm not sure the majority of the riders are interested in safe fun.

[jessup270]

The park would be a consideration IF you had riders interested in safe fun. As noted (and as I have witnessed) these are not cute cuddily kiddies. These are scumbags trying to interfere with honest citizens.

Police COULD actually solve the problem, but you have the Mayor and City Council to deal with. (They get more 'political' mileage by allowing crimes like this then standing up against it). As it stands, Police are ORDERED NOT to do anything, and ANY INVOLVEMENT means swift action against the Officers involved.




As a rule (this is from my experience), after the accident, the rider quickly flees his bike (even if he is injuried, he flees). If the neighbors are quick they get the dirtbike and secure it before Police arrival. So the Police have no suspect present and no bike either.

In one incident (on Gist Ave): An accident happened, the rider fled, and his bike was secured by a neighbor (who sided with the rider over the Police). BECAUSE I KNEW THE POS rider, I wrote a warrant for him. In court the State dropped the charges (SOP for Baltimore City). To my knowledge, the car owner's insurance company paid for the car owner's damage.

In one incident (on Ethelbert Ave): An accident happened, the rider fled, but his bike was left in the street too long and we (the Police) got to the scene before it could be secured. Around 5 minutes after the accident the rider returned and claimed it was his bike (but that it was stolen and riden by his exact twin). Needless to say, he didn't get the bike back. As for charges though, the vehicle driver (a visitor to Pimlico race track) was so shaken up by the incident that they did not want to pursue anything.



ALL of the riders I saw in the Northwest District were young males. (I am not being sexist, the truth is I never saw a female rider). The ages varied from about 12 to about 20 years of age. It is possible (in theory) that these kids were nuclear rocket scientist, but I tend to doubt it.

Spot, you seem like an intelligent person. If I may suggest, walk outside of your office someday and see what the real world is like.

Its very informative and refreshing to get a "real world" view point.

If you are not already retried, just hang in there it with happen sooner than you think. Take your retirement and head somewhere where your money will go further.

[bmore_ken]

ALL of the riders I saw in the Northwest District were young males. (I am not being sexist, the truth is I never saw a female rider). The ages varied from about 12 to about 20 years of age. It is possible (in theory) that these kids were nuclear rocket scientist, but I tend to doubt it.

Spot, you seem like an intelligent person. If I may suggest, walk outside of your office someday and see what the real world is like.

I still can't believe he wrote that . Project managers

[markh]

Someone should put out a few nail strips to slow those idiots down. Nothing like a few wipe outs to entertain the people in the hood.

[yuca]

There are gun ranges in the area

http://maps.google.com/maps?um=1&ie=...&ved=0CLgBELYD

Are they paid for by the taxpayer? If not, then they don't count.

[markh]

I wonder how an insurance company handles that also. "I's be gettin me a suit case, yo"! "Yo, I be gonna get paid, yo"!

How do Baltimore City police handle cases when one of the wheelie boys gets involved in an accident with a licensed law abiding vehicle operator?

What is standard procedure?

[Lawman 27]

Someone should put out a few nail strips to slow those idiots down. Nothing like a few wipe outs to entertain the people in the hood.

Nah, bad idea. These kids are already pretty bad drivers. When they wreck they are looking for someone else to blame anyway (and you just know their families are looking for someone to sue instead of taking responsibility for their child).

I wonder how an insurance company handles that also. "I's be gettin me a suit case, yo"! "Yo, I be gonna get paid, yo"!

The REAL victims of a dirt bike accident are covered by the 'uninsured driver' clause of their own policy. If the dirt biker gets into an accident which is really someone else's fault, you can bet every lawyer in the City is ready to get some money. (From what I saw, EVERY dirt bike accident was the fault of the rider, but that won't stop a City lawyer from going to court).

[jessup270]

Nah, bad idea. These kids are already pretty bad drivers. When they wreck they are looking for someone else to blame anyway (and you just know their families are looking for someone to sue instead of taking responsibility for their child).



The REAL victims of a dirt bike accident are covered by the 'uninsured driver' clause of their own policy. If the dirt biker gets into an accident which is really someone else's fault, you can bet every lawyer in the City is ready to get some money. (From what I saw, EVERY dirt bike accident was the fault of the rider, but that won't stop a City lawyer from going to court).

I grew in Baltimore, when the City and its people were proud.

Today it seems like a set for a sci fi movie.

The really interesting thing is that the vast majority of residents think life in the City is normal, dirt bikes, homicides, vacant houses and so forth.

The City is where things like making sure your car is UNLOCKED, so criminals will not have break your windows, in search of things to steal from your vehicle, is NORMAL.

My favorite retort from City residents, this sort of thing happens everywhere.

[bmore_ken]

The really interesting thing is that the vast majority of residents think life in the City is normal, dirt bikes, homicides, vacant houses and so forth.

I'm pretty sure if you live in Roland Park , Charles Village, Homeland or Guilford you don't generally see that sort of stuff and think life in the city is nornal

[pepper]

Well Kenneth you stated that you did not have financial information on the riders so how are you certain with anything regarding their expenses? Many people that grew up in Baltimore would never make an assumption like that unless the facts were there to back the claim.

So Kenneth, would you say you are judging these individuals? Kenneth, what would you say to the plumber employed by Baltimore City's water department who enjoys riding on Sundays? What would you say to the project manager who is employed by one of the biggest companies in the area who also likes to ride on Sunday?

Kenneth, how do you think they would react when they look at you in particular when you ask them have they ever paid taxes? As a Baltimore native, you should know better.

Not sure if this is satire or you playing Devils Advocate to deepen the conversation, or if you're really that far removed from reality. ( I think you're a mix of denial, and guilt, based on the actions of others that you somehow relate to. While you may not be a part of this sub-culture, and are not responsible for the losers actions, your bizarre twisting of this problem is absurd.)

These bike riders are absolutely losers, and not contributors.

"enjoy riding on Sundays"... LOL, yea, lots of gainfully employed, hard working citizens like plumbers and project managers (!?) are ripping up Baltimores streets on dirt bikes.

[Baltimatt]

I'm pretty sure the guy who had no shirt on and had his boxers showing wasn't a plumber or a project manager

Yeah, if he were a plumber he would be showing more than his drawers! (Sorry, I couldn't resist. I remember being at a plumbing supply store once which had posted a Christmas card with Santa bending down to place presents under the tree and ... you know.)

[bmore_ken]

I'd say I feel sorry for plumbers and that bad rap, but after what I paid mine to have my toilet unclogged last week I really don't

[bmore_ken]

Not sure if this is satire or you playing Devils Advocate to deepen the conversation, or if you're really that far removed from reality. ( I think you're a mix of denial, and guilt, based on the actions of others that you somehow relate to. While you may not be a part of this sub-culture, and are not responsible for the losers actions, your bizarre twisting of this problem is absurd.)

These bike riders are absolutely losers, and not contributors.

"enjoy riding on Sundays"... LOL, yea, lots of gainfully employed, hard working citizens like plumbers and project managers (!?) are ripping up Baltimores streets on dirt bikes.

Sadly I think he's serious

[pepper]

Yeah, if he were a plumber he would be showing more than his drawers! (Sorry, I couldn't resist. I remember being at a plumbing supply store once which had posted a Christmas card with Santa bending down to place presents under the tree and ... you know.)

Matt, bottom line, it's absurd to imagine these "bikers" as anything more than young morons or drug dealers. They are not contributors to society in any way, even if they are employed. They are, in total, scourges to society.

They are destroyers of their own neighborhoods, because they don't know any better.