Ten Arguments Gun Advocates Make, and Why They're Wrong

[pmore108]

No you nudge yourself a little farther to the right. You have never been a supporter of gun control. That is no issue of mine or anyone else.

I also notice no one has provided any valid counterarguments to his points, just a lot of personal attacks and insults. Typical.

One counter argument I would point out is that the same rights (to privacy, etc) that are pointed out as being 'lost' in the article (point #6 talking about loss of rights due to terrorist attack) are equally as egregious. An argument against aspects of the Patriot Act certainly applies to gun rights and ownership as well. To me the each of the rights in the Bill of Rights are mutually supporting. Erosion of right to bear arms hurts freedom of speech, freedom from unreasonable search and seizure, etc. I didn't and don't agree with erosions of the first ammendment due to a terrorist attack, war, natural disaster, etc. Why should I agree with a confiscation or laws that lead to confiscation of legally owned weapons? To say that arms ownership has not been limited in this country is false. It is extremely difficult to own an automatic or crew served weapon.

Point #7 about how tyranny does not apply to contemporary life is ridiculous. I agree that today the U.S. is not likely to fall into chaos or come under totalitarian control. No matter our differences in opinion, we transition from president to president peacefully and that is admirable. That isn't guaranteed to be the case in 50 years. It isn't crazy to say that western societies can descend into chaos. Spain and Germany are just two examples of the last century where this happened. Greece is an example from this century. Are you seriously telling me that a situation like that couldn't happen here? Are there lunatics who think the apocalypse is around the corner? Yes. Should any thought of a tyrannical society eventually forming here be dismissed? No.

Yes, loopholes should be closed. To say you can't close loopholes because of opposition and instead ask for more strict laws seems contradictory to me. How can you pass entirely new laws that are supposedly tougher when you can't close loopholes in existing laws due to opposition? I will agree with the sentiment that SOME who claim to want to close loopholes are hypocritical.

For what it is worth, I agree with some points of the article, particularly number three. I can't count the times I have heard tough talk about what so and so would have done if they had a weapon there. Most likely they would have been taken by surprise and killed. Additionally point #1 is a good one as well. Self reflection and re evaluation is always a good thing.

[slapshot]

That's just it, if that ever happens both sides better stock up on body bags. Might not be a bad business to invest in.

There wqe go. The truth is finally out....you want war.

[Chesapeake Spirit]

My lack of comprehension? Look who has their head in the sand. We have heard it for 4 years how Obama was going to take everyones guns. And what happened? Not a damn thing. This is the country screaming to have that talk that happens after each and every tragedy and the NRA says that is not the time to have the conversation and nothing happens. Well the majority of the country is overwhelming demanding, for background checks, banning assault rifles, funding research into gun violence and reducing magazine clips.

You agree with my statement about the NRA but then want them to counter what is a dangerous precedent? WTH???

Infringing on a constitutional right is a dangerous precedent, sorry you don't understand that. If it takes an extreme group like the NRA to stop the flow, so be it. If you disagree with the constitution, there are formal methods to address that, but you prefer more feel good legislation that will have no effect. Unless a total gun ban is put into place, and it would take a long while for the effects to be felt.

Obama is actually good for the gun industry, and so is your hysteria.

[Chesapeake Spirit]

There wqe go. The truth is finally out....you want war.

Where did I say that, or are you just slap happy?

[songfourone]

Kids dying in ER rooms due to drunken driving didn't bring any emotions out of doctors? Especially doctors with kids? Peek-a-boo, we see yooooou!

And what has society done for drunk driving? Education, stiffer sentences, treatment, absolutes do not happen within society ills, but you can legislate to protect the public.

[slapshot]

Where did I say that, or are you just slap happy?

Admit it...you want an excuse to use your guns on those that would restrict your gun rights. You know you do.

As for being "slap happy"...nope. I just call 'em as I see 'em.

[songfourone]

Infringing on a constitutional right is a dangerous precedent, sorry you don't understand that. If it takes an extreme group like the NRA to stop the flow, so be it. If you disagree with the constitution, there are formal methods to address that, but you prefer more feel good legislation that will have no effect. Unless a total gun ban is put into place, and it would take a long while for the effects to be felt.

Obama is actually good for the gun industry, and so is your hysteria.

I am sorry that you do not understand that public safety is paramount to your paranoid delusions about the government coming to take all your guns. Until the realistic conversation happens, the NRA and its zombie followers are just going to keep shooting themselves in the foot, looking stupid, carrying rifles through JC Pennys.

[bmore_ken]

And what has society done for drunk driving? Education, stiffer sentences, treatment, absolutes do not happen within society ills, but you can legislate to protect the public.

Has it helped?

http://www.madd.org/blog/2012/decemb...tate-data.html

Almost 10,000 people were killed by drunk drivers last year

Stiff sentences?


A 55-year-old South Elgin man was arrested last week and charged with his fifth DUI after leading Hampshire police on a short chase that ended when he crashed into a ditch, according to police and court records.

http://www.dailyherald.com/article/2...ews/701029718/

[Chesapeake Spirit]

Admit it...you want an excuse to use your guns on those that would restrict your gun rights. You know you do.

Be very careful thinking that you know anything about me, and refrain from putting words into my mouth. Admit it, you've got nothing, so you try diversionary tactics. If you don't think a total gun ban will result in deadly confrontations, you are more naive than i thought you were, and that's saying a lot. Ever hear of Ruby Ridge?

[pmore108]

And what has society done for drunk driving? Education, stiffer sentences, treatment, absolutes do not happen within society ills, but you can legislate to protect the public.

Exactly, what society hasn't done is banned alcohol.

[Chesapeake Spirit]

I am sorry that you do not understand that public safety is paramount to your paranoid delusions about the government coming to take all your guns. Until the realistic conversation happens, the NRA and its zombie followers are just going to keep shooting themselves in the foot, looking stupid, carrying rifles through JC Pennys.

No paranoia on my part, and speaking of zombies, you may want to check the mirror. As I said, you want to change the constitution, go for it!

[gonzoliberal]

I'm far from a right winger , but you're being intellectually dishonest if you don't think a ban is what some on this forum want

And you're missing the point.... again.

It's obvious that's what some want.
They won't get it.
That's the way the cookie crumbles.
It's "impractical" to hope for it.

[songfourone]

Like I said previously, how clear thinking do you have to be to have the first reaction to a mass shooting tragedy with 20 6 year olds being massacred beyond recognition by their own parents, and 6 teachers who put their bodies as shields against the lunatic shooter, to go out and purchase assault rifles and high capacity magazines?

Who does that?

[Chesapeake Spirit]

Exactly, what society hasn't done is banned alcohol.

Well, they tried that too and it didn't work out very well either.

[songfourone]

Has it helped?

http://www.madd.org/blog/2012/decemb...tate-data.html

Almost 10,000 people were killed by drunk drivers last year

Stiff sentences?


A 55-year-old South Elgin man was arrested last week and charged with his fifth DUI after leading Hampshire police on a short chase that ended when he crashed into a ditch, according to police and court records.

http://www.dailyherald.com/article/2...ews/701029718/

So, by your stance, you are looking for absolutes? Come on you are better than that. We do need to make the call for judges to throw the book and make a direct hit at drunk drivers.

[songfourone]

No paranoia on my part, and speaking of zombies, you may want to check the mirror. As I said, you want to change the constitution, go for it!

Does that Constitution say rocket launchers? At the time that was written what was accessible? Muskets? Okay you can have as many muskets that you can carry. See how that works?

[Mom49of4]

Exactly, what society hasn't done is banned alcohol.

Prohibition did not work. Government is not the end all and be all.

[Chesapeake Spirit]

Does that Constitution say rocket launchers? At the time that was written what was accessible? Muskets? Okay you can have as many muskets that you can carry. See how that works?

You are just too perceptive. Here's a news flash for you, muskets were high tech at the time the Constitution was written. They were the weapon that could and did overthrow a tyrannical government. Rocket launchers, no, but keep coming up with silly talking points.

[songfourone]

You are just too perceptive. Here's a news flash for you, muskets were high tech at the time the Constitution was written. They were the weapon that could and did overthrow a tyrannical government. Rocket launchers, no, but keep coming up with silly talking points.

Ohhh so there is something that you feel isn't covered by 2nd Amendment??? Where is it explicit in limiting rocket launchers? m10's?

[Jeebus]

And what has society done for drunk driving? Education, stiffer sentences, treatment, absolutes do not happen within society ills, but you can legislate to protect the public.

But what they haven't done is pass a law to stop drunk driving by banning sober people from owning cars.