The Price of 'Freedom'

[songfourone]

Through Google and Nexis searches, The Huffington Post has tracked gun-related homicides and accidents throughout the U.S. since the schoolhouse massacre in Newtown, Conn., on the morning of Dec. 14. There were more than 100 such deaths the first week after the school shooting. In the first seven weeks after Newtown, there have been more than 1,280 gunshot homicides and accidental deaths. Slate has counted 1,475 fatal shooting incidents since Newtown, including suicides and police-involved shooting deaths, which The Huffington Post did not include in its tally.


On Jan. 11, in Baltimore, Devon Shields, 26, was found lying in a street with a fatal gunshot wound to the chest. Three hours later, Delroy Davis was found lying face-up between two houses. Two-and-a-half hours later, Baltimore police rushed to a double-shooting that left one man dead with multiple gunshot wounds. The next day, Sean Rhodes was found "lying face-down in a pool of blood," according to the Baltimore City Paper. Two others survived gunshot wounds.




http://www.huffingtonpost.com

[Baltimatt]

Actual article: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/0...n_2602074.html

[songfourone]

Actual article: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/0...n_2602074.html

I suppose you did not like my statement, huh Matt?

[Baltimatt]

Songfourone--

No, it's just that the front page of The Huffington Post will likely change in the near future, so someone reading this in a day or two might not see what you want him or her to see.

[Jeebus]

Through Google and Nexis searches, The Huffington Post has tracked gun-related homicides and accidents throughout the U.S. since the schoolhouse massacre in Newtown, Conn., on the morning of Dec. 14. There were more than 100 such deaths the first week after the school shooting. In the first seven weeks after Newtown, there have been more than 1,280 gunshot homicides and accidental deaths. Slate has counted 1,475 fatal shooting incidents since Newtown, including suicides and police-involved shooting deaths, which The Huffington Post did not include in its tally.

How many were committed with a so-called "assault weapon" that the LWNJs want to "ban"?

More examples of a solution looking for a problem that statistically doesn't exist.

[songfourone]

How many were committed with a so-called "assault weapon" that the LWNJs want to "ban"?

More examples of a solution looking for a problem that statistically doesn't exist.

There were many different reason for the deaths of 1,280, the common denominator was there was a gun present.

There are ways to fix this, few are calling for complete confiscation, but there needs to be some measures that both sides can 'live' with that can address gun crime, gun violence, gun safety.

[Baltimatt]

The freedom to operate a motor vehicle also has its price.

While motor-vehicle deaths dropped 22 percent from 2005 to 2010, gun fatalities are rising again after a low point in 2000, according to the Atlanta-based Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. Shooting deaths in 2015 will probably rise to almost 33,000, and those related to autos will decline to about 32,000, based on the 10-year average trend.

This is a projection based on recent trends, but as of now a motorized society also takes its toll.

[octoburn]

Through Google and Nexis searches, The Huffington Post has tracked gun-related homicides and accidents throughout the U.S. since the schoolhouse massacre in Newtown, Conn., on the morning of Dec. 14. There were more than 100 such deaths the first week after the school shooting. In the first seven weeks after Newtown, there have been more than 1,280 gunshot homicides and accidental deaths. Slate has counted 1,475 fatal shooting incidents since Newtown, including suicides and police-involved shooting deaths, which The Huffington Post did not include in its tally.


On Jan. 11, in Baltimore, Devon Shields, 26, was found lying in a street with a fatal gunshot wound to the chest. Three hours later, Delroy Davis was found lying face-up between two houses. Two-and-a-half hours later, Baltimore police rushed to a double-shooting that left one man dead with multiple gunshot wounds. The next day, Sean Rhodes was found "lying face-down in a pool of blood," according to the Baltimore City Paper. Two others survived gunshot wounds.




http://www.huffingtonpost.com

I'm not sure what kind of connection you're trying to make regarding many such deaths.

Where are such killings usually concentrated in places like Baltimore City? What type of backgrounds did those individuals have that might possibly have predicted such a thing? Did lifestyle choices play any part in such deaths? I would be seriously surprised if those involved purchased the guns used legally. And if they had priors, why would they bother to comply with legal requirements anyway?

[Jeebus]

There were many different reason for the deaths of 1,280, the common denominator was there was a gun present.

The "common denominator" was also - not a single one of them was committed by a so-called "assault weapon."

There are ways to fix this, few are calling for complete confiscation, but there needs to be some measures that both sides can 'live' with that can address gun crime, gun violence, gun safety.

So why is "ban assault weapons" even being included as a solution?

[Bmoreteacher]

The "common denominator" was also - not a single one of them was committed by a so-called "assault weapon."



So why is "ban assault weapons" even being included as a solution?

In Baltimore, it would be a safe bet that none of the homicides were committed with a legally owned firearm.

[octoburn]

In Baltimore, it would be a safe bet that none of the homicides were committed with a legally owned firearm.

But it might be appropriate to report such crimes as if they were as long as doing so fits the agenda we want.

[songfourone]

I'm not sure what kind of connection you're trying to make regarding many such deaths.

Where are such killings usually concentrated in places like Baltimore City? What type of backgrounds did those individuals have that might possibly have predicted such a thing? Did lifestyle choices play any part in such deaths? I would be seriously surprised if those involved purchased the guns used legally. And if they had priors, why would they bother to comply with legal requirements anyway?

Is someone less dead if it is a legal or illegal obtained gun?

[songfourone]

But it might be appropriate to report such crimes as if they were as long as doing so fits the agenda we want.

So by your thought, there is nothing at all we can do when it comes to illegal obtained weapons? Really?

[cprenegade]

There were many different reason for the deaths of 1,280, the common denominator was there was a gun present.

There are ways to fix this, few are calling for complete confiscation, but there needs to be some measures that both sides can 'live' with that can address gun crime, gun violence, gun safety.

That's fair enough. I see no reason not to discuss possible measures of reducing gun violence without infringing on peoples rights. But I would also like to see tougher penalties for those committing actual crimes with guns. Make the commission of a crime while in possession of a gun a federal offense punishable by long jail terms with no parole and no exception. Start locking away offenders for good and you will also start to reduce the gun violence occurring across America.

[songfourone]

That's fair enough. I see no reason not to discuss possible measures of reducing gun violence without infringing on peoples rights. But I would also like to see tougher penalties for those committing actual crimes with guns. Make the commission of a crime while in possession of a gun a federal offense punishable by long jail terms with no parole and no exception. Start locking away offenders for good and you will also start to reduce the gun violence occurring across America.

I absolutely agree with all of the above, but the "infringing on peoples rights" and what that entails is still is a sticky wicket.

There also need to be a minimum of skill sets that are required with the possession and purchase of a gun, purchasing of ammunitions.

[octoburn]

Is someone less dead if it is a legal or illegal obtained gun?

Criminals already break the law. And if they do not obtain their guns legally, all of the background checks, fingerprinting, and other proposed gun control laws won't affect the criminals in the least and especially when the're still out on the street.

That's the point. And one can mitigate their chances of being one of the victims of the sort of crimes prevalent in certain areas of places like Baltimore or Chicago ~ the types of murders referenced in the article ~ by changing some types of habits and associations.

I think that search sites like Maryland Judiciary Case Search would likely be more informative in that regard than Google or Nexus because it might shine some light on what ~ if any ~ type of prior involvement with the law that both victims and perpetrators have had in the past.

So by your thought, there is nothing at all we can do when it comes to illegal obtained weapons? Really?

That's not my thought at all. I would like to see prosecution of those felons who have already been stopped by background checks for gun purchases rather than blaming a gun owner who might belong to the NRA and doesn't commit crimes.

I absolutely agree with all of the above, but the "infringing on peoples rights" and what that entails is still is a sticky wicket.

There also need to be a minimum of skill sets that are required with the possession and purchase of a gun, purchasing of ammunitions.

How will any of that stop the types of street murders that is the topic of the article you referenced? Where are the illegal guns coming from and who is already providing the guns and ammunition that is already illegal for criminals to even possess ~ let alone ~ purchase?

[veritas]

All of these deaths resulted from the use of handguns. People will forgive me if I don't agree that banning semi-auto rifles will reduce handgun shootings or suicides. I'd actually respect the gun grabbers a bit more if they were coming out for handgun bans, as useless an exercise as that would be.