NFL awards

[HAIL2BNG]

The first one tonight: RG3 wins rookie of the year. He's won all the ones I have seen so far. Well deserved.

[NCBirdfan]

The first one tonight: RG3 wins rookie of the year. He's won all the ones I have seen so far. Well deserved.

There were at least three rookies more deserving than RG3. I guess they had the pity factor since it's rare when the Redskins win anything.

[HAIL2BNG]

There were at least three rookies more deserving than RG3. I guess they had the pity factor since it's rare when the Redskins win anything.

The voting wasn't even close. He won in a landslide.

[NCBirdfan]

The voting wasn't even close. He won in a landslide.

Relax. I'm just reversing roles with you, playing the troll. IMO RG3 deserved ROTY.

[sandiegosean]

Too bad he'll never be the same player....poor bastard!

[johnpolitics]

Flashy player beat Luck. Shanahan burns his players out. In 5 years when RG3 is out of the league at least he'll have a nice trophy.

[elj1201]

Its sucks that this and the divison championship will probably be the highlights of his career. Poor guy had so much potential.

[Eastside Terp]

just as many misses as hit past decade with these winners .......

I'd take luck in a heart beat as would the majority of teams .....

2000 Mike Anderson Denver Broncos Running back
2001 Anthony Thomas Chicago Bears Running back
2002 Clinton Portis Denver Broncos Running back
2003 Anquan Boldin Arizona Cardinals Wide receiver
2004 Ben Roethlisberger Pittsburgh Steelers Quarterback
2005 Cadillac Williams Tampa Bay Buccaneers Running back
2006 Vince Young Tennessee Titans Quarterback
2007 Adrian Peterson Minnesota Vikings Running back
2008 Matt Ryan Atlanta Falcons Quarterback
2009 Percy Harvin Minnesota Vikings Wide receiver
2010 Sam Bradford St. Louis Rams Quarterback
2011 Cam Newton Carolina Panthers Quarterback
2012 Robert Griffin III[5] Washington Redskins Quarterback

[Ravens2006]

I think long-term right now, based on what I saw this season, I'd take Wilson over all of them. Luck had some of his own name involved in his success, but I'm sure he'll be a fine player at minimum. Kaepernick (albeit a 2nd year guy) still has that long wind-up I'd worry about. Regardless of what happens tonight, I'll be interested to see what happens when teams have a year to prepare for him and watch his video. Griffin made a lot of his big throws by hitting guys wide open in space, because LBs and safeties were caught flat footed looking for him to run instead. When that goes (and it will) I wonder how much he loses overall. We still hear the hype that Griffin is the new wave at the position. We've heard the exact same hype about a bunch of other guys over the past 15 years or so too. Baldinger did a long segment about how Vick's read option abilities were impossible to defend just 5 or 6 years ago now (we've all forgotten the little run that Falcons had going with that now; but teams adjusted).

Wilson looks like the biggest all-around "real deal" to me...

[HAIL2BNG]

Vick didn't run a read option. You didn't see much if you think Wilson didn't have the most luck or wide open receivers. Anyone who thinks Wilson is the best of the bunch is really ignoring a lot.

[Baltimore Ravens Lets Go!]

IMO two reasons why Bob III got this award:

1: He had one of the best rookie running backs ever for defenses to also worry about in Alfred Morris.

2. Sympathy vote - because the poor guy almost got killed.


I have no problem with this voting, but like Ravens2006 posted (see post #9 on this thread) Russell Wilson is better and if I was starting a franchise he would be the one I would take out of the top rookie QB''s including Kaepernick, a rookie as far as I am concerned.

Wilson has the "it" factor and advanced his team far in the playoffs, against all odds carrying it at times on his back.

[Eastside Terp]

Vick didn't run a read option. You didn't see much if you think Wilson didn't have the most luck or wide open receivers. Anyone who thinks Wilson is the best of the bunch is really ignoring a lot.

yep, vick was a pocket passer that ran from the pocket (and still couldn't stay healthy).......

the "pistol" read option is a variation of the option that thousands of high schools run .......

its like the curve ball in baseball, no one can hit a great curve but no one's arm can stand up to throwing great curves all the time .....

its a fad like the run and shoot, etc. and will go by the wayside as soon as a few more qb's take the beating rg3 did .....

[Baltimore Ravens Lets Go!]

yep, vick was a pocket passer that ran from the pocket (and still couldn't stay healthy).......

the "pistol" read option is a variation of the option that thousands of high schools run .......

its like the curve ball in baseball, no one can hit a great curve but no one's arm can stand up to throwing great curves all the time .....

its a fad like the run and shoot, etc. and will go by the wayside as soon as a few more qb's take the beating rg3 did .....

Of course it will. But DC boy is too stupid (doesn't understand the game) to see it.

[Marshan Man]

Congrats! I don't think he should try to rush bak for game 1 tho. His knee's gonna be a target for defenses from here on out, or at least until he can demonstrate he has some degree of durability...

[Far from home]

Vick didn't run a read option. You didn't see much if you think Wilson didn't have the most luck or wide open receivers. Anyone who thinks Wilson is the best of the bunch is really ignoring a lot.

I still think he's a good QB, but very overrated. If Seattle ever wins a super bowl in this era, it will be the defense that gets them there, not Wilson.
I have never seen a passer with so many wide open receivers, especially on the first read. I don't know what Seattle was scheming, but teams must have been focused on Lynch.

[HAIL2BNG]

yep, vick was a pocket passer that ran from the pocket (and still couldn't stay healthy).......

the "pistol" read option is a variation of the option that thousands of high schools run .......

And one of the teams in the Super Bowl. You can keep pretending its a fad.

its like the curve ball in baseball, no one can hit a great curve but no one's arm can stand up to throwing great curves all the time .....

its a fad like the run and shoot, etc. and will go by the wayside as soon as a few more qb's take the beating rg3 did .....

Andy Pettitte on line 1.

[Ravens2006]

The Falcons used it quite a bit with Vick in 2006. Saying they didn't doesn't just make it go away...

Different flavors of it have come and gone repeatedly throughout the decades...

[Baltimore Ravens Lets Go!]

The Falcons used it quite a bit with Vick in 2006. Saying they didn't doesn't just make it go away...

Different flavors of it have come and gone repeatedly throughout the decades...

True, and how many NFL QB's who ran the "Read Option" are in the HOF? So what does that tell you?

DC boy doesn't have any knowledge or understanding of the history of the NFL. In his pea brain it began around the time Fantasy Football started. Ergo, he knows nothing of this yet continues to spout his nonsensical crappola.

[Baltimore Ravens Lets Go!]

Congrats! I don't think he should try to rush bak for game 1 tho. His knee's gonna be a target for defenses from here on out, or at least until he can demonstrate he has some degree of durability...

He probably will though (rush back) because he's worried Cousins might pull a Kaepernick and replace him permanently, which wouldn't surprise me in the least.

[HAIL2BNG]

The Falcons used it quite a bit with Vick in 2006. Saying they didn't doesn't just make it go away...

Different flavors of it have come and gone repeatedly throughout the decades...

They never ran a read option or pistol. They simply ran him or he was flushed from the pocket. It is much different from a straight option despite any claims trying to compare the two.