Suggs' Cap Hit in 2013

[OriginalColtsFan]

$13M.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com...vens-concerns/

And some of you want to biatch about what Joe's going to make?

[TDL]

If I remember correctly Haloti's cap hit this season was $17M.Around $3.4M per sack (5) and a cool $1M for every three tackles he recorded (51).

They have to restructure Suggs and Ngata's deals or their going to be screwed come next season.I expect them to sign Flacco to a longterm deal that will be between $17-20M per season.If they can't get those deals restructured and structure Flacco's in a way where next seasons cap hit won't be more than $13-14 they are going to have to make some very painful cuts in the next few weeks and let most if not all of their UFA's walk which will more than likely keep the team from being very competitive at least for next season.

[OriginalColtsFan]

If I remember correctly Haloti's cap hit this season was $17M.Around $3.4M per sack (5) and a cool $1M for every three tackles he recorded (51).

They have to restructure Suggs and Ngata's deals or their going to be screwed come next season.I expect them to sign Flacco to a longterm deal that will be between $17-20M per season.If they can't get those deals restructured and structure Flacco's in a way where next seasons cap hit won't be more than $13-14 they are going to have to make some very painful cuts in the next few weeks and let most if not all of their UFA's walk which will more than likely keep the team from being very competitive at least for next season.

Agreed. The cap is a perennial mystery. What I've concluded is that there's a lot more variability and flexibility when the team wants to make it that way. They're certainly going to have to find a creative way to work with the cap, or the consequences are going to be significant.

[85Knight]

In Ozzie we trust!

[tigercruise]

How does New England do it?

[ivanbalt]

How does New England do it?

Pay Tom Brady a ton of money and bring in a steady stream of cheap players. While it doesn't seem to affect their offense, it's obviously not worked well for their defense.

[OriginalColtsFan]

Pay Tom Brady a ton of money and bring in a steady stream of cheap players. While it doesn't seem to affect their offense, it's obviously not worked well for their defense.

Is N.E. shelling out the kind of money the Ravens are shelling out for Ngata and Suggs?

[ivanbalt]

Is N.E. shelling out the kind of money the Ravens are shelling out for Ngata and Suggs?

They never pay anyone big besides Brady.

[OriginalColtsFan]

They never pay anyone big besides Brady.

And the Steelers take a similar approach. When Porter wanted a huge contract they said take a hike. The Ravens are in the mess they're in because of huge contracts to Suggs and Ngata, and big payouts to Reed and even Ray Lewis and Ray Rice. They also rolled the dice on Joe and are now going to pay more as a result.

[Rael]

Is N.E. shelling out the kind of money the Ravens are shelling out for Ngata and Suggs?

I don't think so but I think there are downsides to the way NE does it. I heard tickets to the New England game were fairly easy to get for Baltimore fans. Why is that? Are they jaded because they win so often? I'm sure there is some of that, but I also think it is the whole 'rooting for laundry' effect. Yes, they have Tom Brady but who else on that team do they have that is real long term? Wilfork and Welker spring to mind and I may be forgetting others but it seems to me that the fans' jerseys get older a lot quicker there than here. I like that Baltimore tries to keep its name players. Would the parade have been so big yesterday if Lewis had spent a dozen years with the Dolphins, three with KC, and been here for the last two? Or if Suggs or Reed had left after their last contract was up? It may not be the absolute most competitively advantageous way to go about things to try to keep all of your marque players in the fold, but I do think there are other advantages that I'd just as soon not lose. It is a difficult balancing act but nobody does it better than Ozzie and Steve.

[OriginalColtsFan]

I don't think so but I think there are downsides to the way NE does it. I heard tickets to the New England game were fairly easy to get for Baltimore fans. Why is that? Are they jaded because they win so often? I'm sure there is some of that, but I also think it is the whole 'rooting for laundry' effect. Yes, they have Tom Brady but who else on that team do they have that is real long term? Wilfork and Welker spring to mind and I may be forgetting others but it seems to me that the fans' jerseys get older a lot quicker there than here. I like that Baltimore tries to keep its name players. Would the parade have been so big yesterday if Lewis had spent a dozen years with the Dolphins, three with KC, and been here for the last two? Or if Suggs or Reed had left after their last contract was up? It may not be the absolute most competitively advantageous way to go about things to try to keep all of your marque players in the fold, but I do think there are other advantages that I'd just as soon not lose. It is a difficult balancing act but nobody does it better than Ozzie and Steve.

It's an interesting theory, but here's reality: The Ravens have never had a true franchise QB, and they simply were not prepared to deal with it. And now they're paying the price. It really is that simple. And while Newsome is better than average as far as GMs go, he's made mistakes. (The stupid contract to McGahee comes to mind. Even B-More Ravor acknowledges that as a stupid contract, and he's the capologist.) The Ravens knew they needed to lock Joe up, and instead of doing it, they tried to squeeze him, while at the same time shelling out stupid money for Ngata, and overpaying Suggs. I'm sick of hearing how Joe should give a hometown discount to keep the team together and allow cap room to bolster the O-line and sign free agents. It's not on him at all. It's on the FO and some of their blunders and mistakes. It's a balancing act, and that's why it's hard for teams to repeat as Super Bowl champs. But you can't compound the situation the way the Ravens have regarding Suggs, Ngata, Lewis, Reed, and Rice, then lay the blame on Joe and his upcoming contract.

[ivanbalt]

And the Steelers take a similar approach. When Porter wanted a huge contract they said take a hike. The Ravens are in the mess they're in because of huge contracts to Suggs and Ngata, and big payouts to Reed and even Ray Lewis and Ray Rice. They also rolled the dice on Joe and are now going to pay more as a result.

It's just the way the cookie crumbles. At least Baltimore pays big money to homegrown talent and not "big name" free agents.

NE and Pitt are very well run organizations, but there are intangibles. NE has zero competition in their division, so naturally they are in the dance every single year. Pittsburgh's foundation is defense and they've been running the same system for umpteen years. Baltimore is on its 4 DC in 5 years.

[OriginalColtsFan]

It's just the way the cookie crumbles. At least Baltimore pays big money to homegrown talent and not "big name" free agents.

NE and Pitt are very well run organizations, but there are intangibles. NE has zero competition in their division, so naturally they are in the dance every single year. Pittsburgh's foundation is defense and they've been running the same system for umpteen years. Baltimore is on its 4 DC in 5 years.

No, it's not "just the way the cookie crumbles". It's the result of specific huge contracts that the Ravens shelled out when they knew they had to lock up their franchise QB.

[Rael]

I never said anything about home town discount or blaming Joe. Joe should get all he can and Ozzie should do what he can to keep the major pieces of the band together for the reasons I stated. That is why I said it is a difficult balancing act. Besides my opinion wasn't really a theory except perhaps regarding why NE tickets were not hard to come by. I just like being able to root for familiar names year in and year out. The NE way works for sure but it has hidden costs. That is all I'm saying.

[OriginalColtsFan]

I never said anything about home town discount or blaming Joe. Joe should get all he can and Ozzie should do what he can to keep the major pieces of the band together for the reasons I stated. That is why I said it is a difficult balancing act. Besides my opinion wasn't really a theory except perhaps regarding why NE tickets were not hard to come by. I just like being able to root for familiar names year in and year out. The NE way works for sure but it has hidden costs. That is all I'm saying.

No problem. I'm addressing the flood of comments all over the 'Net about how Joe should be willing to take less money so the team can field better players, is all. And to that I say: BS. The FO is responsible for managing the cap. And they had plenty of time to do it. Joe's been with the team for the past 5 years. They want to make more cap room? Ask Suggs and Ngata to take less money. Don't re-sign Ed Reed. Make the TOUGH decisions. Don't expect Joe to be responsible for taking less when HE'S the one who's been THE constant the past 5 years. Despite being saddled with Cameron and clearly less than elite WRs and O-line.

[ivanbalt]

No, it's not "just the way the cookie crumbles". It's the result of specific huge contracts that the Ravens shelled out when they knew they had to lock up their franchise QB.

Sure it is. Ozzie builds consistent winning teams and this year they are the champions. If you focus too much on the future, you lose sight of the present.

Just enjoy the moment and be glad you aren't a Browns fan.

[afan]

I know this is going to be a controversial statement but, trade Ray Rice now, you save a big cap price, get a 2nd round pick and have a legit replacement ready to take his place. His fumbling has drawn concerns and he is starting to look like Jamal, tippy toeing and going down easy. Well I said it so how do you feel.

[Rael]

I know this is going to be a controversial statement but, trade Ray Rice now, you save a big cap price, get a 2nd round pick and have a legit replacement ready to take his place. His fumbling has drawn concerns and he is starting to look like Jamal, tippy toeing and going down easy. Well I said it so how do you feel.

I don't agree with your statement of his tippy toeing and going down easy but the idea probably has some merit. He has a real big contract for another team to eat in an era where a lot of RB's are more of a plug and play position though. I think you would need to pull in Pierce's replacement from the draft though. I think Rice/Pierce is a whole lot better than Pierce/Allen.

[bmore_ken]

Sure it is. Ozzie builds consistent winning teams and this year they are the champions. If you focus too much on the future, you lose sight of the present.

Just enjoy the moment and be glad you aren't a Browns fan.

Say what you want about Ozzie's way but it's gotten us in the playoffs every year for the last 5 years and a SB win. I'll take that every day of the week.

[bmore_ken]

I know this is going to be a controversial statement but, trade Ray Rice now, you save a big cap price, get a 2nd round pick and have a legit replacement ready to take his place. His fumbling has drawn concerns and he is starting to look like Jamal, tippy toeing and going down easy. Well I said it so how do you feel.

You'd also be carrying dead money for a few years for a player making plays for another team