Nice try AO but you will not be pulling me in. You are, however, very funny and very ill-informed. Keep throwing out the trash, you are very funny.
A Housewife, Just Sayin'
Anywhat, get what I'm saying. Consistently Winning At Any Level Of Sports is Not Easy so I would not expect it to be easy for Dunbar to accomplish the same in 2A no more than I would some other champion stepping down a level would consistently win. It would not be easy for Dunbar to repeat what they've done in the last ten years in the next ten years if they stayed 1A. But it's wild to think that anything less than winning a title could be perceived as a complete failure for Dunbar to the likes of haters like you or is it envy BmoreC?
just sayin' 2.0
And as what to First Down eluded to, yes it is impressive to consistently win at any level, but when a team has a talent pool and advantages that Dunbar has to pull in talent from across the City, it makes it hard for very small 1A schools to compete when they dont have the same advatages.
If it were such a simple matter of being able to pull kids kids from around the city then a lot more teams would be champions but that's just NOT the case. There's a lot more to the issue than just that. Forestville for example in 1A has the means to bring in any kid from around all of PG County but although they are often in the playoffs, they usually take in on the chin in the first round and it hasn't always been Dunbar in 1A south. 4A North Point can bring in kds from anywhere in Charles County into that tech center and they have had very large varsity, JV, and freshman squads of some 60 or more kids on each unit. One year I counted about 85 on their varsity. But North Point hasn't won a football title yet. So there is more to this so-called get them from all over "advantage" thing you yak about because many have that so-called advantage but they ain't Dunbar.
Regarding CHC exposing Dunbar, lets not draw such definite or finite conclusions based on one opening season outting. CHC no more exposed Dunbar last year then Moeller exposed Gilman in that opening season game and both losers of those games ended up champions without other teams able to exploit those so-called exposed vulnerabilites, especially since the Dunbar coaching is supposedly so subpar. Listen, those opening games with Gilman and Dunbar were merely one game where someone won and someone lost. And other losses were to teams that simply were better that day, the essence of sports. Don't make them out to be more than what they were, wins and losses.
On the issue of 1A Dunbar discipline, does anyone who is a student of the game and watched the 4A title game last season recall that most undisciplined act of disciplined 4A Quince Orchard in the closing minutes of that 12 - 7 lost to Wise when QC was driving for the win and a receiver made that ill-fated "first down" taunting gesture deep in Wise's territory that was crucial toward QO not scoring and possibly winning? The point is that all teams cause penalties, have fumbles, etc. An awful lot as OLI calls it can be one at the wrong time like for QO in the title appearance while 10 undisciplined acts some other time that doesn't result in a loss may still be an awful lot but in this scenairo, which is an awful lot, 1 or 10? Dunbar has not had fumbles or penalties that cost them games or titles so you're talking much about nothing with respect to the Poets. In the 2008 1A title game between Fort Hill and Dunbar when the Poets pulled it out in the last two seconds in Tavon Austin last run for Dunbar, didn't Fort Hill have a roughing the passer call just before the Dunbar TD that put them within one point. That was an awful lot of a costly penalty. Dunbar had several penalties in that game that negated touchdowns but they ended up not costing them the game. Timing of an awful lot of penalties and fumbles is the issue and Dunbar doesn't have the history of doing it when the chips are down.
Yes, 1A may not be as strong as 2A top to bottom but that line of reasoning is moot because the bottom of 2A like the bottom of 1A and 3a and 4A ain't in the title hunt for the Dunbars of Maryland to play. It's the top teams at issue. Dunbar will be just fine in the stronger 2A OLI. Don't you realize that Dunbar just hasn't been playing 1A teams in all these years?
Dunbar should have walked over Calvert Hall on paper. They had way more talent. This wasn't a Moller-Gilman scenario and any comparisons to that are irrelevant. Moller had more talent than Gilman. Every year Dunbar is no worse than the 4th most talented team in the state (Gilman, Good Counsel, DeMatha, Dunbar in some order). However, we rarely get to see this talent tested. They got blasted by a just pretty good Calvert Hall team in the weakest year in the MIAA A in 5+ years. I couldn't favor Dunbar over Spalding, St. Paul's or late season McDonogh, even though they should win by 3 TDs over all three of those teams. I'd put them at even money with MSJ and John Carroll.
If I was a betting man, I'd never put money on Dunbar against a somewhat less talented but better coached and more disciplined team with lots of seniors (see 2009 Catoctin) for 2 reasons:
1. Lack of a Kicking Game- going for 2 all the time cuts it against lesser talented teams, but you need a kicker who can make at least 80% of PATs and hit FGs up to about 30 yds to beat better teams.
2. Lack of Playing Good Teams- There aren't enough good teams on Dunbar's schedule on any given year. This year they aren't even playing a tough non-conference game (Mansfield from Mass. at Dunbar).
There is no way that 2009 Catoctin team should have even been on the same field as Dunbar from a talent perspective. Yes they were undefeated, but almost everyone from this area was certain that Dunbar would win going away. I don't know if there's a single player from that Catoctin team playing college football vs. how many? 10? 15? 20? from that Dunbar team.
Losing games to teams with inferior talent usually points to a combination of two things, a lack of coaching or a lack of discipline. Dunbar won so much in 1A because their talent level covers up their flaws most of the time. In 2A the talent level climbs a little bit, but not enough to shut Dunbar out. They'll still probably win every 2 to 3 years. 3A/4A would be about every 4 to 5 years. The MIAA would be a different story. I think Dunbar would have only had a chance to win in '95 (3A State Champs, MSJ & St. Mary's split MIAA) and '07 (14-0 1A State Champs, MSJ & Loyola split MIAA).
To say that that Dunbar team that lost to Catoctin was a great team shows me that you don't really follow them at all. That team struggled all season and had no qb. I rest my case on that one.
P.S. You people are too funny because being a City fan I hate Dunbar and you have even me defending them. But these statements are so far off base that even I can't ignore them.
Last edited by 85Knight; 02-23-2013 at 07:01 PM.
First, you think Moeller should have beaten Gilman because they had more talent. How did/do you know that when perhaps before Gilman played them, you probably never heard of Moeller. Now you are an expert on their talent posture. Well eagle, didn't Moeller go on to lose three three three games to teams with lesser talent? If that's the case, could we be back to simply one team being better or worse than another on a given day? Therefore, the CHC-Dunbar and Moeller-Gilman examples are quite relevant in that anyone can beat anyone and anyone can lose to anyone at any given time rather then all the hackneyed talk of exposing an opponent and paper wins. What's a useless speculation is your position that Dunbar couldn't take Spalding and the other named schools. Give me a break. You can't be serious with such banter. Hell, I wish you were a betting man. I'll be the first to take your action.
The out of the air or some other place you pulled the 2009 Catocin team has me almost bursting in laughter. That 2009 team was a great anomally. They were a hot 14-0 team of destiny, a one year one hit wonder most unworthy to be discussed within miles of the history of Dunbar. Tell me, what did Catoctin do before 2009 or how about what they've done since 2009? Come on dude, you're cracking me up!
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