Will Dunbar get its a** handed to them by the 2a...

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BJC

Can you tell me NT's record last season against non-inferior 1A teams last year if they played any non-inferior 1A teams?

Ok, I think we are getting a little crazy with the sarcasm. NT got embarrased by Dunbar in the state championship game. If NT is considered a top 1A team than that just proves my point. The 1A is not a good league. There are good teams in the 1A (Dunbar) but with the talent that Dunbar has they should not eer lose in the 1A.

Again, no one is diminishing the talents of the Poet's players. I for one think TA is the greatest HS offensive player I have ever seen,but he did not play against good comp and if you think he did than you are fooling yourselves. He played against good comp in the crab bowl and he dominated. That proves that he is and will continue to be a geat player. But Dunbar as a whole does not play good comp. at the state level. They have a few tough City league games but at the state level it is a joke.

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Ok, I think we are getting a little crazy with the sarcasm. NT got embarrased by Dunbar in the state championship game. If NT is considered a top 1A team than that just proves my point. The 1A is not a good league. There are good teams in the 1A (Dunbar) but with the talent that Dunbar has they should not eer lose in the 1A.

Again, no one is diminishing the talents of the Poet's players. I for one think TA is the greatest HS offensive player I have ever seen,but he did not play against good comp and if you think he did than you are fooling yourselves. He played against good comp in the crab bowl and he dominated. That proves that he is and will continue to be a geat player. But Dunbar as a whole does not play good comp. at the state level. They have a few tough City league games but at the state level it is a joke.

What, I'm getting a little crazy!!!!!!!

So you say NT got embarrased by Dunbar in the state championship game. The score was 39-0. OKAY. Gilman beat CHC in the MIAA-A title game 35 -7 AND AND AND Gilman beat CHC earlier in the regular season. But I'll bet you still consider CHC a top team while they were whacked or perhaps worse just like NT by a superior team. Come on dude, get a better flow with your arguments. Check NT's record for last year and I'm willing to bet my last dollar they didn't play only 1A schools but more importantly, I'll bet they beat more high classified schools than beat them. Care to bet?

Again again again, you keep saying that Dunbar and Tavon didn't play against good competition indicating that they only played against 1A teams and you've stated your case that 1A is inferior. But I'm telling you that Dunbar played against 2A, 3A, and maybe 4A schools and NOT JUST 1A, OLI. What is it about that issue you just can't understand beats me! They played the BMore league just like other BMore schools -- essentially the same schedule between teams but only Dunbar played inferior opponents to you. Dunbar played a title game against Perryville who was a good squad the season Dunbar took them down. Dunbar played against a very good Fort Hill team that in my opinion was one of the best finishes of any title game in any classification in 2008 with Tavon's last run for Dunbar.

By the way, I was at the Crab Bowl at Towson when Tavon was awarded MVP. He played well, well enough to have been awarded the MVP. But he DID NOT dominate. No one really dominated. Tavon took a kickoff or punt to the house and a short sideline backwards pass in space to the house. That was more than enough to earn MVP in an ALL-STAR game but he did not dominate for the entire game. You are indeed on the outside looking in but what you see leaves a lot to be desired. But I do love the dialog.

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BJC

Can you tell me NT's record last season against non-inferior 1A teams last year if they played any non-inferior 1A teams?

http://www.maxpreps.com/high-schools...l/schedule.htm

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Then that looks like 1A Inferior NT: 5, 2A/3A: 1

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NT opponents in 2a/3a were weak. Their schedule was a joke but they have to play it. Anyone that knows anything about HS football knows that the Maryland 1a is not good. Dunbar is a good team, a great program, but this isnt the first year that people question the quality of their opponents. As good as they are and for as many state titles that they have they still don't get respect statewide. Maybe they should, maybe they should not but that stigma has always followed them. Yes, Dunbar plays schools in 3a and 4a but those teams are not world beaters either. Look, I agree with you, they are 1a so they play 1a and they win 1a, but to me that is not impressive considering the amount of talent they have and the area they can choose from. If we went by enrollment numbers then Gilman and McD would be in the 1a. Would it be impressive if they won the title every year? Many on here believe that Dunbar has almost as much talent as those teams.

And yes, TA did play against bad teams.

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NT opponents in 2a/3a were weak. Their schedule was a joke but they have to play it. Anyone that knows anything about HS football knows that the Maryland 1a is not good. Dunbar is a good team, a great program, but this isnt the first year that people question the quality of their opponents. As good as they are and for as many state titles that they have they still don't get respect statewide. Maybe they should, maybe they should not but that stigma has always followed them. Yes, Dunbar plays schools in 3a and 4a but those teams are not world beaters either. Look, I agree with you, they are 1a so they play 1a and they win 1a, but to me that is not impressive considering the amount of talent they have and the area they can choose from. If we went by enrollment numbers then Gilman and McD would be in the 1a. Would it be impressive if they won the title every year? Many on here believe that Dunbar has almost as much talent as those teams.

And yes, TA did play against bad teams.

Okay so it's the inferior 1A and now weaker 2A/3A teams. I think we'll get up to the weak 4A soon. Heck, maybe we will even make it to the weak MIAA teams before the "week" is up.

You say Dunbar doesn't get any respect statewide but I suggest to you by the pure fact that Dunbar is discussed more on this board than just about any team is a testiment of their respect they get ALONG with everyone wanting a piece of Dunbar to either show that they have of good team or to validate their team through Dunbar. CHC got whacked by Gilman and DeMatha last year but that opening game win over Dunbar validated CHC as a good squad. Go figure. Yes, little 1A Dunbar is the statewide bar in some respects whether you can accept that or not.

Yes, by enrollment Gilman would be 1A in the MPSSAA system. Inturn, may I also suggest to you that Dunbar would be in MIAA-A if they were in the MIAA by pure performance! See how that works...

Oh, and yes Tavon did play against some bad teams, no doubt. But so did Mike Campanaro and so did Joe Haden and so did Navarro Bowen, and so did Shawne Merriman, and need I name more who played in non-inferior classifications?

Look OLI, if Dunbar doesn't impress you winning in 1A with the talent they have albeit I've stated that consistently winning at any level of sports from Pop Warner to the profesional ranks is impresssive, then you can't be impressed with Gilman and Good Counsel since they win with the talent they can bring in from any where. But yep, I can tell Gilman really impresses you by bringing in the best and loses to Moeller and Good Counsel but walking through the MIAA undefeated for another of many championships. Dunbar essentially does the same and you hate it. CHC losing to Gilman much like NT losing to Dunbar but NT is crap while CHC is all that and a bag of chips.

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Okay so it's the inferior 1A and now weaker 2A/3A teams. I think we'll get up to the weak 4A soon. Heck, maybe we will even make it to the weak MIAA teams before the "week" is up.

You say Dunbar doesn't get any respect statewide but I suggest to you by the pure fact that Dunbar is discussed more on this board than just about any team is a testiment of their respect they get ALONG with everyone wanting a piece of Dunbar to either show that they have of good team or to validate their team through Dunbar. CHC got whacked by Gilman and DeMatha last year but that opening game win over Dunbar validated CHC as a good squad. Go figure. Yes, little 1A Dunbar is the statewide bar in some respects whether you can accept that or not.

Yes, by enrollment Gilman would be 1A in the MPSSAA system. Inturn, may I also suggest to you that Dunbar would be in MIAA-A if they were in the MIAA by pure performance! See how that works...

Oh, and yes Tavon did play against some bad teams, no doubt. But so did Mike Campanaro and so did Joe Haden and so did Navarro Bowen, and so did Shawne Merriman, and need I name more who played in non-inferior classifications?

Look OLI, if Dunbar doesn't impress you winning in 1A with the talent they have albeit I've stated that consistently winning at any level of sports from Pop Warner to the profesional ranks is impressesive, then you can't be impressed with Gilman and Good Counsel since they win with the talent they can bring in from any where. But yep, I can tell Gilman really impresses you by bringing in the best and loses to Moeller and Good Counsel but walking through the MIAA undefeated for another of many championships. Dunbar essentially does the same and you hate it much like CHC losing to Gilman much like NT losing to Dunbar but NT is crap while CHC is all that and a bag of chips.

Again, you think I am downplaying TA or Dunbar's talent. I am not. The people you mentioned were special talents asnd probably would do just as good if they played on an MIAA A team, but you also have to take into effect that those MIAA A teams and GC and Dematha also have stud Olines and good players at EVERY posistion. I personally do not think winning consistently at the 1A is impressive, just my opinion. And yes, NT's 2A/3A opponents were weak. Yes there are many weak 4A teams as well. Dunbar should roll through their regular season schedule again, but I am interested to see how they do in the playoffs. I just do not think it will be a one way ticket to M and T like it was in the past. Dunbar does not get props statewide as a legitimate power because of their weak schedule and playing in the 1A. Do I think Dunbar is a great program? Yes. Do they have great players? Yes. Do they play in a weak classification? Yes. Would many 2A, 3A and 4A teams beat Dunbar? Maybe (in my opinion yes), but we may never know. Over the last decade the class of the 1A has been Dunbar, Fort Hill and Alleghany. Dunbar can get players from all over the City and also the county if they pay tuition (Aleaze) Ft Hill ans Alleghany is a small, rural area decimated by population loss and people moving away. Who has the advantage?

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Again, you think I am downplaying TA or Dunbar's talent. I am not. The people you mentioned were special talents asnd probably would do just as good if they played on an MIAA A team, but you also have to take into effect that those MIAA A teams and GC and Dematha also have stud Olines and good players at EVERY posistion. I personally do not think winning consistently at the 1A is impressive, just my opinion. And yes, NT's 2A/3A opponents were weak. Yes there are many weak 4A teams as well. Dunbar should roll through their regular season schedule again, but I am interested to see how they do in the playoffs. I just do not think it will be a one way ticket to M and T like it was in the past. Dunbar does not get props statewide as a legitimate power because of their weak schedule and playing in the 1A. Do I think Dunbar is a great program? Yes. Do they have great players? Yes. Do they play in a weak classification? Yes. Would many 2A, 3A and 4A teams beat Dunbar? Maybe (in my opinion yes), but we may never know. Over the last decade the class of the 1A has been Dunbar, Fort Hill and Alleghany. Dunbar can get players from all over the City and also the county if they pay tuition (Aleaze) Ft Hill ans Alleghany is a small, rural area decimated by population loss and people moving away. Who has the advantage?

I understand that you are not specifically per se kinda sorta downplaying Dunbar or TA. It's all about who they play in the inferior 1A albeit they also play their fair share of 2A, 3A, 4A, and privates over time. I get that OLI. You say the MIAA A teams. Good Counsel, and DeMatha have stud linemen and good players at every position BUT those named teams are NOT the entire MIAA and the WCAC. So while you think 1A is not Dunbar top to bottom, neither is the MIAA like Gilman top to bottom and in all three MIAA classes nor the WCAC Good Counsel top to bottom. Relatively speaking, all leagues / conferences have top flight, mediocre, and bottom feeders. Hell, 1A Fort Hill took out MIAA-A conference Mount Saint Joe a couple years ago. For heaven sakes, while you say Dunbar should never lose in 1A, you should also think how in the hell did a top tier MIAA-A team lose to the lowest class 1A inferior rural Fort Hill team! If you don't know, I'll tell you. Just ask.

So lets say Dunbar can get players from all over the city and county. So can Forestville and so can North Point like I previously stated. Why aren't they as dominate as Dunbar if that was all there is to it! Regarding FH and Alco, there is no substitue for a community that is so deep into football. They are traditionally good in the science of football because it's a way of life to them in Cumberland like in no other area of the state. Yes the population is decreasing in that area but until the enrollment drops to 10, they will always field a competitive team because it's in their DNA. This is their advantage over any other area of the state to include Orleans Street. Understand? Sure you don't...

To a shortsighted fellow of your take, Dunbar - Alco - and FH would be the only class of 1A in the last 10 years but there are many others. I could easily add Forestville to that without much thought. They have traditionally been in the playoffs for many years. Unfortunately, they have had so many first-round dates with none other than Dunbar. DAMN DAMN DAMN, as Wizzy whould shout.

Your turn.

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I know this is about football but when it comes to all of their sports their competition is weak when it comes to the states except boys basketball, girls basketball is like playing a rec league...and I'm a fan of the poets I would love to see them play 3a and 4a teams like the other big named schools in the area!!!!! Then maybe they could gloat.

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I understand that you are not specifically per se kinda sorta downplaying Dunbar or TA. It's all about who they play in the inferior 1A albeit they also play their fair share of 2A, 3A, 4A, and privates over time. I get that OLI. You say the MIAA A teams. Good Counsel, and DeMatha have stud linemen and good players at every position BUT those named teams are NOT the entire MIAA and the WCAC. So while you think 1A is not Dunbar top to bottom, neither is the MIAA like Gilman top to bottom and in all three MIAA classes nor the WCAC Good Counsel top to bottom. Relatively speaking, all leagues / conferences have top flight, mediocre, and bottom feeders. Hell, 1A Fort Hill took out MIAA-A conference Mount Saint Joe a couple years ago. For heaven sakes, while you say Dunbar should never lose in 1A, you should also think how in the hell did a top tier MIAA-A team lose to the lowest class 1A inferior rural Fort Hill team! If you don't know, I'll tell you. Just ask.

So lets say Dunbar can get players from all over the city and county. So can Forestville and so can North Point like I previously stated. Why aren't they as dominate as Dunbar if that was all there is to it! Regarding FH and Alco, there is no substitue for a community that is so deep into football. They are traditionally good in the science of football because it's a way of lfe to them in Cumberland like in no other area of the state. Yes the population is decreasing in that area but until the enrollment drops to 10, they will always field a competitive team because it's in their DNA. This is their advantage over any other area of the state to include Orleans Street. Understand? Sure you don't...

To a shortsighted fellow of your take, Dunbar - Alco - and FH would be the only class of 1A in the last 10 years but there are many others. I could easily add Forestville to that without much thought. They have traditionally been in the playoffs for many years. Unfortunately, they have had so many first-round dates with none other than Dunbar. DAMN DAMN DAMN, as Wizzy whould shout.

Your turn.

You have your beliefs, I have mine. I wish Dunbar the best.

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I know this is about football but when it comes to all of their sports their competition is weak when it comes to the states except boys basketball, girls basketball is like playing a rec league...and I'm a fan of the poets I would love to see them play 3a and 4a teams like the other big named schools in the area!!!!! Then maybe they could gloat.

Thank You!

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Well it was proven this year Calvert stomp their buts in the ground with a sophomore qb I believe

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I know this is about football but when it comes to all of their sports their competition is weak when it comes to the states except boys basketball, girls basketball is like playing a rec league...and I'm a fan of the poets I would love to see them play 3a and 4a teams like the other big named schools in the area!!!!! Then maybe they could gloat.

Whatever OLI has must be contagious. So you say "...of the poets I would love to see them play 3a and 4a teams like the other big named schools in the area!!!!!... So if 1A Dunbar played 4A Poly, 4A Southwestern, 3A City, 3A Patterson, and the other "big schools" played those same schools and they are in the area or league, is that what you want?

Or perhaps you wish to tell me the names of a couple big schools in the area you're talking about.

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Well it was proven this year Calvert stomp their buts in the ground with a sophomore qb I believe

And it was but one game sport, nothing more, nothing less. But too bad CHC didn't save some of that stomping for DeMatha and twice against Gilman. Now by my count, that's three games lost, more or less! Oh and a freshman QB in his very first high school game waxed your MIAA-A Spalding club that opening week from what I recall.

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You have your beliefs, I have mine. I wish Dunbar the best.

No need for you to wish them the best. They are one of the best....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mhIAjOdE8iM

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Whatever OLI has must be contagious. So you say "...of the poets I would love to see them play 3a and 4a teams like the other big named schools in the area!!!!!... So if 1A Dunbar played 4A Poly, 4A Southwestern, 3A City, 3A Patterson, and the other "big schools" played those same schools and they are in the area or league, is that what you want?

Or perhaps you wish to tell me the names of a couple big schools in the area you're talking about.

I would assume he means big schools with a recent history of playoff success. River Hill, Franklin, Westminster, Urbana, Wise, Old Mill. A simple fact is that no city school has won a championship higher than the 3A level except for Dunbar in 1995. We are coming up on 20 years since the MSA disbanded and no City schools except for Dunbar (9) and Edmonson (1) have won state titles. Of the 10 titles between those schools, 7 are 1A, Dunbar won 2A year 1 in the MPSSAA and 3A year 2 and didn't win again until they were 1A in 2004. The only title for a city school higher than 1A since 1995 was Edmonson winning 2A in 2004. Just because Dunbar plays higher enrollment schools doesn't mean that those schools are that good. 4A Southwestern would have lost by 50+ to 2A Middletown this year.

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And it was but one game sport, nothing more, nothing less. But too bad CHC didn't save some of that stomping for DeMatha and twice against Gilman. Now by my count, that's three games lost, more or less! Oh and a freshman QB in his very first high school game waxed your MIAA-A Spalding club that opening week from what I recall.

Calvert Hall still only lost by 9 to DeMatha, they beat Dunbar by 24. All of these schools played Calvert Hall closer than Dunbar did this year:
St. John's (DC 5-6, WCAC)- Lost by 4, 21-17
Niagara Academy (Canada 2-6, Ind)- Lost by 13, 34-21
Mount Saint Joseph (MD 4-7, MIAA A)- Lost by 6, 27-21
McDonogh (MD 3-8, MIAA A)- Lost by 7, 19-12
Archbishop Spalding (MD 5-5, MIAA A)- Lost by 20, 27-7
Mount Saint Joseph (Playoffs) (MD 4-7, MIAA A)- Lost by 23, 34-11
Loyola (MD 5-6, MIAA A)- Lost by 7, 21-14

Of Calvert Hall's 5 regular season MIAA A games, Gilman beat them and every other team played them closer than Dunbar did.

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I would assume he means big schools with a recent history of playoff success. River Hill, Franklin, Westminster, Urbana, Wise, Old Mill. A simple fact is that no city school has won a championship higher than the 3A level except for Dunbar in 1995. We are coming up on 20 years since the MSA disbanded and no City schools except for Dunbar (9) and Edmonson (1) have won state titles. Of the 10 titles between those schools, 7 are 1A, Dunbar won 2A year 1 in the MPSSAA and 3A year 2 and didn't win again until they were 1A in 2004. The only title for a city school higher than 1A since 1995 was Edmonson winning 2A in 2004. Just because Dunbar plays higher enrollment schools doesn't mean that those schools are that good. 4A Southwestern would have lost by 50+ to 2A Middletown this year.

Fair enough BUT RIVER HILL is in HoCo and they only play other HoCo schools. But have your people in HoCo call the Dunbar people on Orleans to work out a game that counts. When do you think you'll think that can happen? Again. a club like Wise in 4A South have only played other 4A South PG county schools. Westminster may have been gun shy of dealing with 1A schools after they ran through a group of them and failed to make the playoffs. I think Urbana wants to concentrate on beating Walkersville and Middletown right now rather than taking on Dunbar. Old Mill sounds interesting. But they may have to wait in the long line with the teams who want a piece of Dunbar to help validate their own programs.

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Calvert Hall still only lost by 9 to DeMatha, they beat Dunbar by 24. All of these schools played Calvert Hall closer than Dunbar did this year:
St. John's (DC 5-6, WCAC)- Lost by 4, 21-17
Niagara Academy (Canada 2-6, Ind)- Lost by 13, 34-21
Mount Saint Joseph (MD 4-7, MIAA A)- Lost by 6, 27-21
McDonogh (MD 3-8, MIAA A)- Lost by 7, 19-12
Archbishop Spalding (MD 5-5, MIAA A)- Lost by 20, 27-7
Mount Saint Joseph (Playoffs) (MD 4-7, MIAA A)- Lost by 23, 34-11
Loyola (MD 5-6, MIAA A)- Lost by 7, 21-14

Of Calvert Hall's 5 regular season MIAA A games, Gilman beat them and every other team played them closer than Dunbar did.

Football is a win/loss affair and not hand gernades where close counts. Ask Gilman if that 1-point lost to Good Counsel made them feel good or that they felt much better about that game then the 21-point lost to Moeller.

Your big list of scores is simply moot related to Dunbar. Those 7 scores mean absolutely nothing and coorelates to absolutely nothing. It only adds up to one loss for Dunbar. But thanks for the research and info. Next time, bring something informative and useful to the table.

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I seriously don't think you Dunbar loving people will ever get it... Please do not take this the wrong way ok.... Before the msa disbanded that's when football was interesting everybody played everyone else and we wouldn't be having these arguments, there was no who's best a b c conference champs that's it and at that time edmondson poly city cardinal gibbons and dunbar once a twice ran the world of football ..... Why would a kid want to go to lake Clifton or Paterson mervo digital to play football when Dunbar wins the rec league(1a) championship under armour sponsored and a gorgeous field to play on Gtfoh my son wanted to go Dunbar I said why because they keep winning ships and have nice uniforms oh no boys Latin you go son......everyone will be at a disadvantage in the city when it comes to football!!!! Jmo