Will Dunbar get its a** handed to them by the 2a...

[First_Down]

My my my, so speaking of being a mouth piece, I just got a PM from someone I will not reveal suggested I should ask GA why Gilman doesn't bolt the MIAA and be independent in football because they don't have a challenging schedule and let me quote "....because it's no challendge (sic) when Greyhound AL can project that Gilman would walk through it's MIAA schedule after losing two of it's first three games and win the MIAA championship and Gilman does just that..." So GA, is Gilman a school not playing a challenging schedule outside it's first three games?

[GREYHOUND ALUM]

So let me get this straight. Non-inferior 1A teams like Wise, Quince Orchard, Westminster, Arundel, Damascus, Seneca Valley, Middletown, Douglass PG, River Hill, Suitland, Huntingtown, Old Mill, Franklin, McDonough, Patuxent, and so many others are out there and you are saying that Calvert Hall, The Calvert Hall, is known to have run behind a 1A Dunbar looking for a game and now shouting fear when turned down!!!!! Damn I cannot believe that an MIAA team has reduced itself or stoop so low to be blown off by a freaking 1A public school. Damn. Well, I just may need to speak with Calvert's daddy. Who's your daddy Calvert? BigS would know.

Hey I'm just being the devil's advocate and quoting what was said on here by CHC supporters. I don't know for a fact that Dunbar turned the game down but I do trust one of the people who said this.

[GREYHOUND ALUM]

My my my, so speaking of being a mouth piece, I just got a PM from someone I will not reveal suggested I should ask GA why Gilman doesn't bolt the MIAA and be independent in football because they don't have a challenging schedule and let me quote "....because it's no challendge (sic) when Greyhound AL can project that Gilman would walk through it's MIAA schedule after losing two of it's first three games and win the MIAA championship and Gilman does just that..." So GA, is Gilman a school not playing a challenging schedule outside it's first three games?

I would say that Gilman's first 4 games were against challenging opponents. I would say that the McDonogh team that Gilman played in the playoffs was also very challenging and were the second best team in the conference at that time.

Gilman is and has been the king of the MIAA and things are only going to get worse. Last year the league was down, I say this year the league will be up again. Last year, it was easy for Gilman in the conference, next year I don't see this. I think CHC and McDonogh both could beat Gilman. I also think MSJ could be the wild card. They are making serious moves. But to me, the season is over after the OOC games. As I have said, as long as there's no more playoffs, the MIAA champion is a paper champion.

[First_Down]

Hey I'm just being the devil's advocate and quoting what was said on here by CHC supporters. I don't know for a fact that Dunbar turned the game down but I do trust one of the people who said this.

I was only being an advocate as well. But there is no devil in me. And I can feel you about one of your peeps relating that Calvert Hall sort a game against Dunbar this season. I just find it so up-side-down that an MIAA team would go to a 1A seeking games. Teams of Calvert's status should have others seeking them and they pick and choose rather than what you related. Either Calvert doesn't know who they are or they are not who folks around here say they are or Dunbar knows their place and merely did what Calvert should have done if they are who we think they are as Coach Dennis Green would say....


Just sayin'

Now who's Calvert's daddy?

[GREYHOUND ALUM]

I was only being an advocate as well. But there is no devil in me. And I can feel you about one of your peeps relating that Calvert Hall sort a game against Dunbar this season. I just find it so up-side-down that an MIAA team would go to a 1A seeking games. Teams of Calvert's status should have others seeking them and they pick and choose rather than what you related. Either Calvert doesn't know who they are or they are not who folks around here say the are or Dunbar knows their place and merely did what Calvert should have done if they are who we think they are as Coach Dennis Green would say....


Just sayin'

Now who's Calvert's daddy?

Hey I agree with you, Calvert Hall had no business trying to set up a game with Dunbar last year and definitely not this year. But as I have said, CHC has been known for ducking competition.

[TheGuru]

When Tavon was at Dunbar the city league was better than the MIAA 2 out of the 4 years and his junior year it was a toss up. He faced the height of the city league when he was in high school. Case closed.

‘85Knight has been beating this drum for years. It’s not as cut and dry as ’85 Knight saying that the City’s Big 5 (City, Dunbar, EW, Patterson & Poly) were better than the MIAA Big 5 (CHC, Gilman, Loyola, McDonogh & Mt. St. Joseph) in “2 out of 4 years and a toss up in Tavon’s junior year.

If we look at 2005, the city Div. 1 big boys had an avg Max Prep ranking of 84th in the state. Dunbar was the highest at 46th and EW was 121st. Dunbar was beaten by Loyola and EW was shutout by Linganore in the regular season. City lost to Westminster, Dunbar to Snow Hill & Patterson lost to Perry Hall, all in the state playoffs and none of which were powerhouse teams.

In 2005, the MIAA (minus Georgetown Prep) had an avg Max Preps ranking of 18th in the state. Gilman finished #1 in the state and Mt. St. Joseph was the lowest at 47th. Gilman beat DeMatha, Loyola beat Dunbar and a mediocre CHC team took Friendly to the limit down in PG County before losing by 3 in a shootout. ADVANTAGE: MIAA

In 2006, Dunbar & EW won state championships and finished #17 & #4 (Max Preps) respectively. Dunbar lost to Loyola again and City finished #23 but lost to a putrid Franklin team on a 50 yard run and extra point against a supposedly all-time great City College defense. The avg ranking that year was 44 for the City’s Big 5. Poly (#79) & Patterson (#99) brought up the rear for the city.

The MIAA had an avg ranking of 36th in the state in 2006. Gilman was 16th, Loyola 10th & McDonogh 21st. Calvert Hall (92nd) brought the avg ranking way down. NO ADVANTAGE: TIE

2007 saw the city league fall back a bit in the state rankings. City (#62), Dunbar (#6-State Champs), EW (#55), Patterson (#135) & Poly (#43) had an avg of 50th in the state. In the state playoffs, City lost to EW, EW was blown out by Friendly by over 6 TDS in the regular season (although forfeited by Friendly) and by Eastern Tech (ET) in the playoffs. Patterson lost to Parkville 48-0 in week 1 and Poly lost to ET in the playoffs, too.

The MIAA had a good year in 2007 with an avg ranking of 23rd in the state. CHC was 51st, Gilman- 22nd, Loyola- 8th, McDonogh- 20th & Mt. St Joseph- 14th. CHC was beginning to rebuild and knocked Randallstown out of the state playoffs and got beat by a good ET team by a score of 15-6. ADVANTAGE: MIAA

Tavon’s final season, 2008, saw the city schools fall back slightly to an avg of 54th in the state. City was 60th, Dunbar- 9th (State Champs), EW- 43rd, Patterson-101st & Poly -58th. City lost to Fort Hill in week #1, Dunbar lost to a strong Gwynn Park team, EW beat Friendly but lost to Loyola in the regular season & ET in the playoffs and Poly lost to Gilman and ET.

In 2008, the MIAA had an avg of 26th in Maryland. CHC-54th, Gilman-19th, Loyola-3rd, McDonogh- 39th and Mt. St. Joe-15th. Again, CHC lost to ET by 1 pt on a missed FG late in the game, Gilman beat DeMatha & Poly and St. Joe beat Thomas Johnson but lost to Allegany. ADVANTAGE: MIAA

While the City schools feasted on the likes of Walbrook, DuBois, Lake Clifton, Douglass, Carver, Mervo and Digital Harbor, the MIAA was playing Georgetown Prep, DeMatha, Good Counsel, Friendly, St. Joseph’s Prep (PA), Keyser (WV), Bergen Catholic (NJ), Eastern Tech, Gonzaga, Thomas Johnson & Allegany. Tougher schedules and higher rankings led to a 3-0-1 MIAA advantage over the City’s Big 5 during the Tavon Austin years. It seems to me that ‘85Knight was drinking spiked Kool-Aid when he posted that nonsense.

Btw, I've been on record as stating that the 2006 Red Storm with Raytron Leak was one of the most physically dominant teams I have ever seen in MD and the 2007 Poets would have also won state championships at the 2A, 3A & 4A classifications & the MIAA.

As for the agent provocateur, First Down, and GA, I'd rather see my HS play the best that MD has to offer from the public and private ranks as well as 1 or 2 out of state teams. Dunbar is one of the best, year in & year out, in MD regardless of classification. And this is coming from a Dunbar "hater".

[First_Down]

...the 2007 Poets would have also won state championships at the 2A, 3A & 4A classifications & the MIAA.

2007 -- Oh I remember it oh so well. Well enough to know you must be also drinking that purple kool-aid to say Dunbar would have walked over 2A, 3A, and 4A classifications in 2007. There were teams like River Hill who owned the endzone scoring at will and perhaps perhaps perhaps had 20 points scored on them all seson long including the run to the state title. I recall a beast of a Quince Orchard team that in my mind had to be the #1 team in the state including all classifications and private leagues. And I remember Damascus had one heck of a squad in 2007 who only lost to QO. That was the season Damascus broke Hereford's heart at Raven's Stadium. I still have that game tape.

So Dunbar was a good squad and you did one hell of a research job but it just doesn't trump my memory of 2007.

Now who's your daddy?

[GREYHOUND ALUM]

‘85Knight has been beating this drum for years. It’s not as cut and dry as ’85 Knight saying that the City’s Big 5 (City, Dunbar, EW, Patterson & Poly) were better than the MIAA Big 5 (CHC, Gilman, Loyola, McDonogh & Mt. St. Joseph) in “2 out of 4 years and a toss up in Tavon’s junior year.

If we look at 2005, the city Div. 1 big boys had an avg Max Prep ranking of 84th in the state. Dunbar was the highest at 46th and EW was 121st. Dunbar was beaten by Loyola and EW was shutout by Linganore in the regular season. City lost to Westminster, Dunbar to Snow Hill & Patterson lost to Perry Hall, all in the state playoffs and none of which were powerhouse teams.

In 2005, the MIAA (minus Georgetown Prep) had an avg Max Preps ranking of 18th in the state. Gilman finished #1 in the state and Mt. St. Joseph was the lowest at 47th. Gilman beat DeMatha, Loyola beat Dunbar and a mediocre CHC team took Friendly to the limit down in PG County before losing by 3 in a shootout. ADVANTAGE: MIAA

In 2006, Dunbar & EW won state championships and finished #17 & #4 (Max Preps) respectively. Dunbar lost to Loyola again and City finished #23 but lost to a putrid Franklin team on a 50 yard run and extra point against a supposedly all-time great City College defense. The avg ranking that year was 44 for the City’s Big 5. Poly (#79) & Patterson (#99) brought up the rear for the city.

The MIAA had an avg ranking of 36th in the state in 2006. Gilman was 16th, Loyola 10th & McDonogh 21st. Calvert Hall (92nd) brought the avg ranking way down. NO ADVANTAGE: TIE

2007 saw the city league fall back a bit in the state rankings. City (#62), Dunbar (#6-State Champs), EW (#55), Patterson (#135) & Poly (#43) had an avg of 50th in the state. In the state playoffs, City lost to EW, EW was blown out by Friendly by over 6 TDS in the regular season (although forfeited by Friendly) and by Eastern Tech (ET) in the playoffs. Patterson lost to Parkville 48-0 in week 1 and Poly lost to ET in the playoffs, too.

The MIAA had a good year in 2007 with an avg ranking of 23rd in the state. CHC was 51st, Gilman- 22nd, Loyola- 8th, McDonogh- 20th & Mt. St Joseph- 14th. CHC was beginning to rebuild and knocked Randallstown out of the state playoffs and got beat by a good ET team by a score of 15-6. ADVANTAGE: MIAA

Tavon’s final season, 2008, saw the city schools fall back slightly to an avg of 54th in the state. City was 60th, Dunbar- 9th (State Champs), EW- 43rd, Patterson-101st & Poly -58th. City lost to Fort Hill in week #1, Dunbar lost to a strong Gwynn Park team, EW beat Friendly but lost to Loyola in the regular season & ET in the playoffs and Poly lost to Gilman and ET.

In 2008, the MIAA had an avg of 26th in Maryland. CHC-54th, Gilman-19th, Loyola-3rd, McDonogh- 39th and Mt. St. Joe-15th. Again, CHC lost to ET by 1 pt on a missed FG late in the game, Gilman beat DeMatha & Poly and St. Joe beat Thomas Johnson but lost to Allegany. ADVANTAGE: MIAA

While the City schools feasted on the likes of Walbrook, DuBois, Lake Clifton, Douglass, Carver, Mervo and Digital Harbor, the MIAA was playing Georgetown Prep, DeMatha, Good Counsel, Friendly, St. Joseph’s Prep (PA), Keyser (WV), Bergen Catholic (NJ), Eastern Tech, Gonzaga, Thomas Johnson & Allegany. Tougher schedules and higher rankings led to a 3-0-1 MIAA advantage over the City’s Big 5 during the Tavon Austin years. It seems to me that ‘85Knight was drinking spiked Kool-Aid when he posted that nonsense.

Btw, I've been on record as stating that the 2006 Red Storm with Raytron Leak was one of the most physically dominant teams I have ever seen in MD and the 2007 Poets would have also won state championships at the 2A, 3A & 4A classifications & the MIAA.

As for the agent provocateur, First Down, and GA, I'd rather see my HS play the best that MD has to offer from the public and private ranks as well as 1 or 2 out of state teams. Dunbar is one of the best, year in & year out, in MD regardless of classification. And this is coming from a Dunbar "hater".

In all of those years if the top 5 of the City league played the top 5 of the MIAA, I still say that the MIAA wins every year. Even the year that Gilman lost to MSJ that FD mentioned, Gilman had 7 starters out of that game. And had 10th grade Darius Jennings playing on basically one leg(he had surgery immediately after the season). But those times are much different than now. The city league now is just putrid. Dunbar is the only team that has any chance of upsetting a Top State team.

[ILLWILL94]

You tell him eagle. These Dunbar supporters live in a bubble. They won in the 2A and 3A 20 years ago. Football was not the same as it is now. A 1A state championship for a team like Dunbar is not that impressive. Just my opinion.

Nobody is lives in a bubble, Dunbar has no control over classification, they are doing what there supposed to do, dominate in their class 1A. Next year when they move to 2A, with double the talent, and coaches can bring the right chemistry early, they will do what they are supposed to do, DOMINATE 2A. READ IT, BRING THE RIGHT CHEMISTRY, WHICH IS SOMETIMES NOT EASY, THEY WILL DOMINATE. Point blank.

[ILLWILL94]

Thanks GA

You just an Fn hater. Only time you chime in, is when someone tries to discredit what Dunbar has accomplish, you and half this board, this sht is terrible. And go ahead and reply with some more nonsense, I'm used to.

[Outside Looking In]

Nobody is lives in a bubble, Dunbar has no control over classification, they are doing what there supposed to do, dominate in their class 1A. Next year when they move to 2A, with double the talent, and coaches can bring the right chemistry early, they will do what they are supposed to do, DOMINATE 2A. READ IT, BRING THE RIGHT CHEMISTRY, WHICH IS SOMETIMES NOT EASY, THEY WILL DOMINATE. Point blank.

We will soon see.

[85Knight]

‘85Knight has been beating this drum for years. It’s not as cut and dry as ’85 Knight saying that the City’s Big 5 (City, Dunbar, EW, Patterson & Poly) were better than the MIAA Big 5 (CHC, Gilman, Loyola, McDonogh & Mt. St. Joseph) in “2 out of 4 years and a toss up in Tavon’s junior year.

If we look at 2005, the city Div. 1 big boys had an avg Max Prep ranking of 84th in the state. Dunbar was the highest at 46th and EW was 121st. Dunbar was beaten by Loyola and EW was shutout by Linganore in the regular season. City lost to Westminster, Dunbar to Snow Hill & Patterson lost to Perry Hall, all in the state playoffs and none of which were powerhouse teams.

In 2005, the MIAA (minus Georgetown Prep) had an avg Max Preps ranking of 18th in the state. Gilman finished #1 in the state and Mt. St. Joseph was the lowest at 47th. Gilman beat DeMatha, Loyola beat Dunbar and a mediocre CHC team took Friendly to the limit down in PG County before losing by 3 in a shootout. ADVANTAGE: MIAA

In 2006, Dunbar & EW won state championships and finished #17 & #4 (Max Preps) respectively. Dunbar lost to Loyola again and City finished #23 but lost to a putrid Franklin team on a 50 yard run and extra point against a supposedly all-time great City College defense. The avg ranking that year was 44 for the City’s Big 5. Poly (#79) & Patterson (#99) brought up the rear for the city.

The MIAA had an avg ranking of 36th in the state in 2006. Gilman was 16th, Loyola 10th & McDonogh 21st. Calvert Hall (92nd) brought the avg ranking way down. NO ADVANTAGE: TIE

2007 saw the city league fall back a bit in the state rankings. City (#62), Dunbar (#6-State Champs), EW (#55), Patterson (#135) & Poly (#43) had an avg of 50th in the state. In the state playoffs, City lost to EW, EW was blown out by Friendly by over 6 TDS in the regular season (although forfeited by Friendly) and by Eastern Tech (ET) in the playoffs. Patterson lost to Parkville 48-0 in week 1 and Poly lost to ET in the playoffs, too.

The MIAA had a good year in 2007 with an avg ranking of 23rd in the state. CHC was 51st, Gilman- 22nd, Loyola- 8th, McDonogh- 20th & Mt. St Joseph- 14th. CHC was beginning to rebuild and knocked Randallstown out of the state playoffs and got beat by a good ET team by a score of 15-6. ADVANTAGE: MIAA

Tavon’s final season, 2008, saw the city schools fall back slightly to an avg of 54th in the state. City was 60th, Dunbar- 9th (State Champs), EW- 43rd, Patterson-101st & Poly -58th. City lost to Fort Hill in week #1, Dunbar lost to a strong Gwynn Park team, EW beat Friendly but lost to Loyola in the regular season & ET in the playoffs and Poly lost to Gilman and ET.

In 2008, the MIAA had an avg of 26th in Maryland. CHC-54th, Gilman-19th, Loyola-3rd, McDonogh- 39th and Mt. St. Joe-15th. Again, CHC lost to ET by 1 pt on a missed FG late in the game, Gilman beat DeMatha & Poly and St. Joe beat Thomas Johnson but lost to Allegany. ADVANTAGE: MIAA

While the City schools feasted on the likes of Walbrook, DuBois, Lake Clifton, Douglass, Carver, Mervo and Digital Harbor, the MIAA was playing Georgetown Prep, DeMatha, Good Counsel, Friendly, St. Joseph’s Prep (PA), Keyser (WV), Bergen Catholic (NJ), Eastern Tech, Gonzaga, Thomas Johnson & Allegany. Tougher schedules and higher rankings led to a 3-0-1 MIAA advantage over the City’s Big 5 during the Tavon Austin years. It seems to me that ‘85Knight was drinking spiked Kool-Aid when he posted that nonsense.

Btw, I've been on record as stating that the 2006 Red Storm with Raytron Leak was one of the most physically dominant teams I have ever seen in MD and the 2007 Poets would have also won state championships at the 2A, 3A & 4A classifications & the MIAA.

As for the agent provocateur, First Down, and GA, I'd rather see my HS play the best that MD has to offer from the public and private ranks as well as 1 or 2 out of state teams. Dunbar is one of the best, year in & year out, in MD regardless of classification. And this is coming from a Dunbar "hater".

I'm still beating the same drum. I'm very aware that there's always a private school bias in the rankings. I wish there were more head to head matchups back then to prove it on the field. Before Coach Davis took over and made CHC a player I would have taken the city league head to head in that time period especially in '05 and '06. I personally saw City dog the undefeated Dons in '06 in a scrimmage early Sat. morning but Loyola ended up playing a 3rd place Dunbar team in the regular season instead. In '07 I watched Adrian Coxson put on a clinic against the Dons again allbeit a scrimmage. We didn't get the matchups we wanted in the regular season but I'll still take the city league head to head in those years and '08 would have been close.

[TheGuru]

I'm still beating the same drum. I'm very aware that there's always a private school bias in the rankings. I wish there were more head to head matchups back then to prove it on the field. Before Coach Davis took over and made CHC a player I would have taken the city league head to head in that time period especially in '05 and '06. I personally saw City dog the undefeated Dons in '06 in a scrimmage early Sat. morning but Loyola ended up playing a 3rd place Dunbar team in the regular season instead. In '07 I watched Adrian Coxson put on a clinic against the Dons again allbeit a scrimmage. We didn't get the matchups we wanted in the regular season but I'll still take the city legue head to head in those years and '08 would have been close.

You and AO should subscribe to the Allen Iverson school of thought concerning practice i.e. scrimmages. Do you truly think that City could beat the cream of the MIAA in a regulation game in 2006 but couldn't beat sorry *** Franklin in the playoffs. Leave the Yeungling alone. It's frying your brain. LMAO!

[85Knight]

You and AO should subscribe to the Allen Iverson school of thought concerning practice i.e. scrimmages. Do you truly think that City could beat the cream of the MIAA in a regulation game in 2006 but couldn't beat sorry *** Franklin in the playoffs. Leave the Yeungling alone. It's frying your brain. LMAO!

I'm actually drinking MGD right now celebrating my Lady Knights win over Milford Mill (there's always a good reason to drink, don't hate). And yes, there is no one in the MIAA that would have beaten City in '06. Franklin in no way shape or form helps your argument.

p.s. Don't link me with that dude AO. I hear he likes that wacky weed.

[TheGuru]

I'm actually drinking MGD right now celebrating my Lady Knights win over Milford Mill (there's always a good reason to drink, don't hate). And yes, there is no one in the MIAA that would have beaten City in '06. Franklin in no way shape or form helps your argument.

p.s. Don't link me with that dude AO. I hear he likes that wacky weed.

DJGreg must be sick. Now all we need is a city team to knock of his boys team. The Miller guards are excellent but Costley can't man the boards all by himself.

As for your assertion that City would sweep the MIAA in 2006, City got fat off of Forest Park, Lake Clifton, Carver, Patterson, Walbrook, Douglass, Mervo (2X) and Poly. Hardly a murder's row! Stop living in the early '90s. There's a reason why GP won't schedule any of his old MSA rivals.

[85Knight]

DJGreg must be sick. Now all we need is a city team to knock of his boys team. The Miller guards are excellent but Costley can't man the boards all by himself.

As for your assertion that City would sweep the MIAA in 2006, City got fat off of Forest Park, Lake Clifton, Carver, Patterson, Walbrook, Douglass, Mervo (2X) and Poly. Hardly a murder's row! Stop living in the early '90s. There's a reason why GP won't schedule any of his old MSA rivals.

Unfortunately there's no proof, only the eye test. I'm sticking with the Loyola scrimmage and you have Franklin's win. It is what it is.

[First_Down]

I'm very aware that there's always a private school bias in the rankings. I wish there were more head to head matchups back then to prove it on the field. Before Coach Davis took over and made CHC a player I would have taken the city league head to head in that time period especially in '05 and '06.

Hmmmm 85Knight, would this be like when an MIAA team could play just 9 games the entire year and like Gilman go 6 and 3 with one of those wins being just a 1 point win agiainst a 4 and 6 team yet the MIAA Gilman team still be highly ranked? And I'm talking about ranked higher than an another MIAA 6 - 3 McDonogh team who beat Gilman that 2006 season. Is this an example of what you're talking about? Rankings!!

And geeezzz, before Coach Davis came along, CHC were "putrid", a term I heard someone use. CHC was 1-9 in 2006, 3 - 5 in 2005, 3 - 8 in 2004, and 4 - 6 in 2003. Damn, and who'd thunk that? Maybe someone who knows that all teams have had their good times and they have their lean years. That is. all teams except for the special ones like River Hill and Dunbar who doesn't impress OLI despite the MPSSAA history.

[First_Down]

As for the agent provocateur, First Down...

I'm not provocatuer I'm baptist but what does religion have to do with anything here!

[TheGuru]

I'm not provocatuer I'm baptist but what does religion have to do with anything here!

Good, witty response.

[85Knight]

Hmmmm 85Knight, would this be like when an MIAA team could play just 9 games the entire year and like Gilman go 6 and 3 with one of those wins being just a 1 point win agiainst a 4 and 6 team yet the MIAA Gilman team still be highly ranked? And I'm talking about ranked higher than an another MIAA 6 - 3 McDonogh team who beat Gilman that 2006 season. Is this an example of what you're talking about? Rankings!!

And geeezzz, before Coach Davis came along, CHC were "putrid", a term I heard someone use. CHC was 1-9 in 2006, 3 - 5 in 2005, 3 - 8 in 2004, and 4 - 6 in 2003. Damn, and who'd thunk that? Maybe someone who knows that all teams have had their good times and they have their lean years. That is. all teams except for the special ones like River Hill and Dunbar who doesn't impress OLI despite the MPSSAA history.

Funny you should bring this up because this is what this thread has morphed into. The private school bias. We all know money matters when it comes to putting together a sports program and we've created this monster around here called the MIAA A conference that's a self feeding behemoth. What we've done is created this little league of 6 teams that promotes itself as being better than everyone else, even other private schools. What happens is you call it the A conference and naturally you're going to attract the best players available. After all what kid wants to play in the B conference? Then you throw in the self promotion of some alumni and The Sun poll bias and you get what we have now. A league that can play a lot of out of conference games and be ranked high because the losses are to other "elite" programs.

When you have a league that has the advantages of recruiting and traveling it should be better than everyone else and when you throw in the self promotion and The Sun poll bias it feeds itself. We even had a poster suggest we create a mega conference based on endowment. Wow! I'm not beating the league down, I'm just stating the facts. We all know the city league has its own problems and has done very little to even try to stay competitive lately. I do believe that 10 years ago the playing field was a lot more even but over the last few years the gap has widened for all the reasons I stated. Which leads us back to our original argument that when Tavon played the competition he faced was pretty good and definitely better than what he'd face today.