50-year scandal of baby trafficking by the Catholic church in Spain

[songfourone]

Up to 300,000 Spanish babies were stolen from their parents and sold for adoption over a period of five decades, a new investigation reveals.
The children were trafficked by a secret network of doctors, nurses, priests and nuns in a widespread practice that began during General Franco’s dictatorship and continued until the early Nineties.
Hundreds of families who had babies taken from Spanish hospitals are now battling for an official government investigation into the scandal.
Several mothers say they were told their first-born children had died during or soon after they gave birth.



http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...#axzz2K53BF5lq

[songfourone]

What was the motivation for the abductions? There are plenty of theories. One is that the children of parents thought to be morally wanting -- maybe single mothers, maybe left-leaning politically -- were prime targets to be moved to more politically correct (right-wing, Catholic) families.

But the dominant theory is more basic than that: money.

The babies were sold, the proceeds pocketed or perhaps put to causes favored by those involved.
A Madrid lawyer who is representing several of the women claims there may have been as many as 300,000 cases. That's a lot of money. But the cost to the mothers involved cannot be measured.





http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-18563_16...he-abductions/

[DaggerJohn]

Read the Daily Mail article. I see absolutely no basis for the 300,000 number.

[songfourone]

A BBC documentary, This World: Spain’s Stolen Babies, follows her efforts to discover if he is Randy Ryder, a stolen baby who was brought up in Texas and is now aged 40.
In some cases, babies’ graves have been exhumed, revealing bones that belong to adults or animals. Some of the graves contained nothing at all.
The BBC documentary features an interview with an 89-year-old woman named Ines Perez, who admitted that a priest encouraged her to fake a pregnancy so she could be given a baby girl due to be born at Madrid’s San Ramon clinic in 1969. ‘The priest gave me padding to wear on my stomach,’ she says.


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...#ixzz2K88yESuT

[songfourone]

Read the Daily Mail article. I see absolutely no basis for the 300,000 number.

Of course you know so much better than the experts investigating yet another of the Catholic Church's horrible, disgusting 'secrets'.




Experts believe the cases may account for up to 15 per cent of the total adoptions that took place in Spain between 1960 and 1989.
It began as a system for taking children away from families deemed politically dangerous to the regime of General Franco, which began in 1939. The system continued after the dictator’s death in 1975 as the Catholic church continued to retain a powerful influence on public life, particularly in social services.
It was not until 1987 that the Spanish government, instead of hospitals, began to regulate adoptions.


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...#ixzz2K8A5s75v

[Jeebus]

.... yet another of the Catholic Church's horrible, disgusting 'secrets'.

The Catholics have a lot of them for sure, in their long and dirty history. They probably lead the league in "atrocities committed in the name of our god" than anyone (with Islam running a close 2nd and gaining every day).

But how do you feel about Islam's disgusting OPEN behaviors? They don't hide it, it's there for all to see.

You don't seem to post much in criticism of the female honor killings, female genital mutilations, rapes, bizarre sharia burdens on women accusers, death for lesbians, etc....

[slapshot]

Personally, I think most Americans feel far more antagonistic towards Islam, or more specifically, towards muslims which distort the religion, and perpetrate some of these attrocities....than do the number of Americans who are antagonistic towards the Catholic Church, or, Catholics.

Maybe that's because the Catholic presence and reach, within the United States, is far more extensive?

My beef with the Catholic Chuch has less to do with their peversions (hey, there are pervs everywhere), and more to do with the INSTITUTIONAL sponsorship of cover-ups and secrecy regarding their "transgressions".

What ever happened to the Catholic Church adopting some of their own beliefs? Specifically, repentance for their sins? Only after being dragged into court, or shamed in the media, has the Chruch showed any repentance and retribution.

[Daan]

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Not disagreeing that this is horrible but what about the "doctors" who participated?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-15335899
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Lawyers believe that up to 300,000 babies were taken.

The name of one doctor, Dr Eduardo Vela, has come up in a number of victim investigations.

In 1981, Civil Registry sources indicate that 70% of births at Dr Vela's San Ramon clinic in Madrid were registered as "mother unknown".

Dr Vela stands accused of telling women their babies had died when they had not and handing over those newborn children to other couples for cash.

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[sigmalady]

It's amazing the the things that can happen under a dictatorial system of government.

[songfourone]

The Catholics have a lot of them for sure, in their long and dirty history. They probably lead the league in "atrocities committed in the name of our god" than anyone (with Islam running a close 2nd and gaining every day).

But how do you feel about Islam's disgusting OPEN behaviors? They don't hide it, it's there for all to see.

You don't seem to post much in criticism of the female honor killings, female genital mutilations, rapes, bizarre sharia burdens on women accusers, death for lesbians, etc....

I thought that was your job.

[musicmd]

The Catholics have a lot of them for sure, in their long and dirty history. They probably lead the league in "atrocities committed in the name of our god" than anyone (with Islam running a close 2nd and gaining every day).

But how do you feel about Islam's disgusting OPEN behaviors? They don't hide it, it's there for all to see.

You don't seem to post much in criticism of the female honor killings, female genital mutilations, rapes, bizarre sharia burdens on women accusers, death for lesbians, etc....

Since you like chaning topics:
Four South Korean women have accused Jeong Myeong-seok (Hangul: 정명석, Hanja: 鄭明析), the leader of the new religious organization JMS, of rape.

The four women were crying and wearing hats, sunglasses and mouth masks to cover their faces. Gim Du-hyeong (金度珩), the former leader of EXODUS, accompanied them on the press conference held in Seoul, South Korea.

http://en.wikinews.org/wiki/Four_Kor...g-seok_of_rape
Police today took into custody a resort manager in connection with alleged rape of a South Korean woman at Bandhavgarh Tiger Reserve.

"Resort manager Deepak Vishwakarma has been taken into custody and the room where the alleged rape took place has been sealed," police said here.

Police took Vishwakarma into custody from Mandla village near Khajuraho. The resort belongs to BJP MLA Nagendra Singh's son Dushyant Singh.

http://www.deccanherald.com/content/...eges-rape.html
Why did koreans rape japanese women and children at the end of WW2?
I know that Japan raped women and children in asia. But is what the koreans did right? I read that the koreans raped any japanese women and children left on the korean peninsula at the end of the war and expelled them. Why were they so cruel? Can't they just let them stay until there were enough ships to take them home? I read many Japanese were left in NE china and no ships took them home so chinese farmer families took them in and raised them. In the 1970s, many of these chinese-raised japanese children finally went home but were looked down upon in japanese sociey because they spoke only chinese.

well i just read this book by Yoko Kawashawa Watkins which is a live eye-witness account of the chaos on the korean peninsula during the final days of WW2 when japan was defeated by the USA. well i understand they want revenge and all, but raping japanese children don't seem like a good way for revenge. Historians have also documented korean rapes of japanese women and with documents of venereal disease and abortions from clinics in japan off kyushu that were opened post atomic bombing in 1945.
WE all know you are a proud deleted deleted, who loves kissing the arse of any good ole boy

[Jeebus]

I thought that was your job.

I just point it out. Others condemn the reporting of it, and people like you pretend it dessn't exist by ignoring it.

[Jeebus]

Why did koreans rape japanese women and children at the end of WW2?

Maybe they were following Ol' "prophet" Mohammad's instructions and approvals on raping captured women?

Muhammad actually encouraged the rape of others captured in battle. This hadith provides the context for the Qur’anic verse (4:24):

The Apostle of Allah (may peace be upon him) sent a military expedition to Awtas on the occasion of the battle of Hunain. They met their enemy and fought with them. They defeated them and took them captives.

Some of the Companions of the Apostle of Allah (may peace be upon him) were reluctant to have intercourse with the female captives in the presence of their husbands who were unbelievers. So Allah, the Exalted, sent down the Qur’anic verse: (Sura 4:24) "And all married women (are forbidden) unto you save those (captives) whom your right hands possess." (Abu Dawud 2150, also Muslim 3433)

[TheResearcher]

So what are you doing NOW to prevent this sort of travesty from happening again? Typing on a keyboard? I will be getting the word out this Saturday, face-to-face, about The National Association to Protect Children - www.protect.org - and it will probably carry over into Sunday. Actions, not words.

[DaggerJohn]

Of course you know so much better than the experts investigating yet another of the Catholic Church's horrible, disgusting 'secrets'.




Experts believe the cases may account for up to 15 per cent of the total adoptions that took place in Spain between 1960 and 1989.
It began as a system for taking children away from families deemed politically dangerous to the regime of General Franco, which began in 1939. The system continued after the dictator’s death in 1975 as the Catholic church continued to retain a powerful influence on public life, particularly in social services.
It was not until 1987 that the Spanish government, instead of hospitals, began to regulate adoptions.


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...#ixzz2K8A5s75v

I read the article. There is nothing to support the 300,000 number. First, the study or investigation-whatever it was--isn't even referenced by name,date, publlisher, etc. The article speaks of hundreds of parents petitioning the government, and later says "thousands more" may never be resolved. If there really were 300,000 babies sold in this fashion, there surely would be much more of an outcry, and many more witnesses to support the findings. Really, the newspaper article is sloppy journalism.

[ODENTON]

Up to 300,000 Spanish babies were stolen from their parents and sold for adoption over a period of five decades, a new investigation reveals.
The children were trafficked by a secret network of doctors, nurses, priests and nuns in a widespread practice that began during General Franco’s dictatorship and continued until the early Nineties.
Hundreds of families who had babies taken from Spanish hospitals are now battling for an official government investigation into the scandal.
Several mothers say they were told their first-born children had died during or soon after they gave birth.



http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...#axzz2K53BF5lq

These supposed religious people have had their hands in all sorts of nastiness.

[songfourone]

I read the article. There is nothing to support the 300,000 number. First, the study or investigation-whatever it was--isn't even referenced by name,date, publlisher, etc. The article speaks of hundreds of parents petitioning the government, and later says "thousands more" may never be resolved. If there really were 300,000 babies sold in this fashion, there surely would be much more of an outcry, and many more witnesses to support the findings. Really, the newspaper article is sloppy journalism.

There were two articles referenced, but I am sure you know far more than the investigators

[slapshot]

So what are you doing NOW to prevent this sort of travesty from happening again? Typing on a keyboard? I will be getting the word out this Saturday, face-to-face, about The National Association to Protect Children - www.protect.org - and it will probably carry over into Sunday. Actions, not words.

I can respect that.

All of us have different hot buttons, however.

Personally, mine is cruelty to animals.