First Pull-Ups, Then Combat, Marines Say

[bmorepunk]

First Pull-Ups, Then Combat, Marines Say

WASHINGTON — How many pull-ups does it take to make a female Marine?

The answer, starting next January: a minimum of three, the same number required of male Marines.

Now if we could just get the other services required to do them since they're useful I'd be happy.

[Hexexis]

...just get the other services required to do them since they're useful I'd be happy.

I'll bet seeing that 2/3 of Marines don't belong in uniform would make you just as happy. & I know a couple that do that'd tell you P.T. won't make you combat ready; only combat does.

Here's a defense cut for ya: eliminate the Marine Corps. They'll never hafta agonize over gays, women again.

[overtaxed]

I'll bet seeing that 2/3 of Marines don't belong in uniform would make you just as happy. & I know a couple that do that'd tell you P.T. won't make you combat ready; only combat does.

Here's a defense cut for ya: eliminate the Marine Corps. They'll never hafta agonize over gays, women again.

Damn, why do you have such a hard on for the marines? You couldn't make it through boot?

[bmorepunk]

I'll bet seeing that 2/3 of Marines don't belong in uniform would make you just as happy. & I know a couple that do that'd tell you P.T. won't make you combat ready; only combat does.

Here's a defense cut for ya: eliminate the Marine Corps. They'll never hafta agonize over gays, women again.

I agree that low impact cardio (two/three mile runs) and silly exercises (sit ups and crunches) have little bearing on combat readiness. The requirement for pull ups for the Marines actually make sense since the act trains and simulates one's ability to pull themselves onto and over something without lower body assistance. If you're so weak that you can't do three pull ups (particularly limited range of motion, chin raised ones that the Marines allow on their test) then you aren't strong enough to handle anything reasonable.

[kudzu]

Three freakin' pullups ? Seriously ?

What's next, the sitting down while peeing test ?

[overtaxed]

Three freakin' pullups ? Seriously ?

What's next, the sitting down while peeing test ?

The three pullups are just to see if there is any hope of getting you into better condition.

[sage]

First Pull-Ups, Then Combat, Marines Say



Now if we could just get the other services required to do them since they're useful I'd be happy.

From the title I thought it was referring to these?
http://www.pull-ups.com/na/default.a...=PUG&WT.srch=1

[Hexexis]

Damn, why do you have such a hard on for the marines? You couldn't make it through boot?

Personalize: good move.

Actually, got all this from a Marine, who said he was hooked up w/ an Army patrol squad back in Afghanistan. Lookt @'em & laughed: dirty, outta shape.

He said 2 days later he could barely keep up: they worked the route over & over; he didn't. He said, "I wondered what all this f**k**g P.T. was for."

It's for seniors to gloat over: a slightly more sophisticated version of comparing D!(k$. But the fact is, it's window dressing: jacking it over gays, wim-in-uniform won't explain away a dozen years of battling the 12th century to a draw. The U.S. armed forces P.T.'d, protocolled themselves into obsolescence.

[overtaxed]

Personalize: good move.

Actually, got all this from a Marine, who said he was hooked up w/ an Army patrol squad back in Afghanistan. Lookt @'em & laughed: dirty, outta shape.

He said 2 days later he could barely keep up: they worked the route over & over; he didn't. He said, "I wondered what all this f**k**g P.T. was for."

It's for seniors to gloat over: a slightly more sophisticated version of comparing D!(k$. But the fact is, it's window dressing: jacking it over gays, wim-in-uniform won't explain away a dozen years of battling the 12th century to a draw. The U.S. armed forces P.T.'d, protocolled themselves into obsolescence.

Actually the ground troop follows orders. They come from the top. When the CIC doesn't want to win, you don't win.

[bmorepunk]

Ryan Long wants the military PT structure to go away from stupid things like cardio and sit ups. I agree with him.

The US Army has a strong focus on low-intensity cardio-respiratory and muscular fitness.
Since I understand that there are many fitness buzzwords out there, allow me to define these two.
In this context “intensity” refers to the relationship of work performed to the maximum capacity of
that “system”, cardio-respiratory or muscular. In this context, low-intensity cardio-respiratory work
capacity would be similar to the normal Army 4-mile unit run while high-intensity cardio would be
more like a 40m prowler push; low-intensity muscular fitness would be like normal Army push ups
while high-intensity muscular strength would be like a 1RM bench press.

In order to prove that the US Army culture is low-intensity-focused one only need observe
a week in the life of a Soldier from the hours of 0630 to 0730 all over the world. During this single
daily hour of physical training most Soldiers are relegated to 3-5 mile runs and sit-up and push-up
improvement programs. Semi-annually soldiers must pass the Army Physical Fitness Test (APFT)
consisting of 2 minutes of pushups, 2 minutes of sit ups, followed by a 2-mile run on a flat road or
track. Each soldier gets 10 minutes to rest between events but must complete the APFT in less than 1
hour. See table 1 for passing and maximum performance standards by age and gender. The minimum
standards are disappointing while the maximum standards are quite achievable.