How is it a "slur"? Is "Paleface" a slur?Originally Posted by octoburn
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How is it a "slur"? Is "Paleface" a slur?
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Interesting how standards have changed. The other night I was listening to an antique recording of Cole Porter's "Let's Do It" (Let's Fall in Love). First line: "****** do it/ Japs do it"...
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Much ado about nothing, IMHO.
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One wonders why a team would name itself after something it is supposedly denigrating. Choosing the name at all shows that they believe the "redskins" possess qualities that will lead to success. Naturally, this totally escapes liberals in their mad quest to claim victimhood for others.
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The Irish don't consider that a slur. (As one myself w a bro and son who attended ND).
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It was Boston's team. DC just never changed the name...so you can't say that Washington actively "chose" that name. they just chose not to change it.
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I'm 3/4's Irish and hate ND and I'm CONSERVATIVE. There are plenty of us on the right that see this now considered racist nickname for what it truly is. What was acceptable wayyyy back in the '30's is no longer acceptable as witnessed by the wave of schools on both the high school and college levels who have adopted new nicknames. it's not "pc" crap as some like to brush it aside. Retard, ******, "n*****", are other examples that are now rightfully considered offensive and insensitive. It's called evolving.It is a racial slur no matter how popular the sport or the team. I see that name as being completely different than a name like the Braves.
You approach an Irishman and say "hey, Fighting Irish"....he'll buy you a beer.
Approach a Native American and say "hey redskin",he'll probably knock you block off...as would an African American if you were to yell.."hey blackskin"...or a hispanic if you were to yell "hey brownskin".
It's simple to understand the blatant racism while noting the huge worlds of difference of these examples against Braves or fighting irish.
The nickname will change, eventually. Later rather than sooner, sure.
Of course the easy way to solve this and remove the blatant racism is to change the logo and mascot to a potato...problem solved.
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Fa**ot
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Yea, so? That doesn't change the point I made.
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Yeah it does...because your point doesn't apply in this instance.
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I understand. You're preaching to the choir. My point, much like veritas', is that teams don't name themselves after what superficially might appear to be a derogatory stereotype. Thus the "Redskins" name, by the 20th c was hardly considered a slur, but a nickname connoting bravery, heroism, maybe ferocity, etc.
The "Fighting Irish" moniker certainly derived from a derogatory 19th c stereotype of the Irish as a drunken, violent, stupid lot. It came to be adopted though as a proud, admirable symbol. I look at "Redskins", regardless of the origination of the term, in the same way.
By the way, google "Dagger John" sometime. :-)
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What difference does it make whether the team was named in Boston or Washington? It was the intention in choosing the name that matters.
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The Redskins is certainly a racist name. It can be argued that calling a team the Chiefs, or Seminoles, or Cherokees, or Warriors, or even the Indians is a term of respect and an attempt to honor a culture. I see little difference in those name a "...Irish" or other nationality or culture. But the term "redskins" is a term made up of derision and hate by whites. To argue the "redskins" is honorable would be like naming a team the "gooks" or "coons" or "spics" and then try to tell a lie that what you really mean to do is respect the cultur. This is why the term "redskins" will ALWAYS be different then most of the other teams named after (American) Indian culture.
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Are there any sports teams with that nickname or mascot?
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It matters substantially. The Utah Jazz should have changed their name when they moved from New Orleans. It's hard to get less jazzy than Utah.
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How does it matter? We're talking about why the name was chosen, not whether it somehow fits the locale. "Redskins" isn't exactly what comes to mind when you mention Boston, either.
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Teams should fix their names when they move towns.
The Los Angeles Lakers makes no sense. Neither do the Indianapolis Colts. This has to stop.
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Not that I am aware of. But there was (maybe still is) an Atlanta minor league baseball team called the "Crackers", and blacks played on it!
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The San Francisco Forty Whiners sure does fit though.
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Probably not too many friars in San Diego, either.
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