London Fletcher better than Ray Lewis?

**can you hear me now!** · 02-09-2013, 10:49 AM

Originally Posted by The Eternal White Belt

No, because there's no way to measure and/or prove that.

I think I just did prove it......

I think Fletcher is under rated, but he is not in Ray's class as an impact player and leader....one player defines greatness, the other exemplifies the value of hardwork, determination and perseverance ....it's that simple...

the article written was pure homer tripe at it's finest and not worth the electrons spend to post it on the web....

**HAIL2BNG** · 02-09-2013, 04:58 PM

Originally Posted by can you hear me now!

the green eyed monster of envy is having quite an offseason in DC.....

I can guarantee Flectcher will have better numbers and have more of an impact that Lewis starting 8 Sept 2013....until then it is no contest as to who is better...the article was written with urine colored glasses and a total lack of any type of football knowledge...anyone buying into this is just tryng to be an irritant...

Fletcher never made the people around him better, Lewis did.....

That's about as ignorant as the article you're trying to mock.

**NCBirdfan** · 02-09-2013, 06:08 PM

Originally Posted by HAIL2BNG

That's about as ignorant as the article you're trying to mock.

I like Fletcher a lot. But he is not in the same league as Lewis has been throughout his career. It is true that he is currently better than Lewis now, but that's because Lewis has retired.

You would be hard-pressed to find anybody employed by the NFL that would agree with the author of the link in the OP.

**Eastside Terp** · 02-09-2013, 06:56 PM

Originally Posted by NCBirdfan

I like Fletcher a lot. But he is not in the same league as Lewis has been throughout his career. It is true that he is currently better than Lewis now, but that's because Lewis has retired.

You would be hard-pressed to find anybody employed by the NFL that would agree with the author of the link in the OP.

agreed, the only arguments going on with knowledgeable foot ball fans are about lewis, butkus and maybe singetary ........

flecter is a decent player but you will never hear his name in a sentence with "all time greats" ........

**can you hear me now!** · 02-09-2013, 07:50 PM

Originally Posted by HAIL2BNG

That's about as ignorant as the article you're trying to mock.

oh I'm sorry...didn't mean to upset you....I should have praised the first grade level writing and infantile logic and reasoning since it seems to pass as legitimate writing to some.....

please don't even try to talk about being ignorant...you've spent the better part of the last three months being a cross between old fan, boobie jr and moon on this board.....

**HAIL2BNG** · 02-09-2013, 08:06 PM

Originally Posted by can you hear me now!

oh I'm sorry...didn't mean to upset you....I should have praised the first grade level writing and infantile logic and reasoning since it seems to pass as legitimate writing to some.....

please don't even try to talk about being ignorant...you've spent the better part of the last three months being a cross between old fan, boobie jr and moon on this board.....

Well you need to watch more football if you think Fletcher doesn't make people around him better, tubby.

**can you hear me now!** · 02-10-2013, 03:14 PM

Originally Posted by HAIL2BNG

Well you need to watch more football if you think Fletcher doesn't make people around him better, tubby.

what was that about ignorant?.....hypocrisy at it's finest.....we're done here.....Brohan has you pegged......

**HAIL2BNG** · 02-10-2013, 03:48 PM

You said Fletcher doesn't make players around him better. Anyone who played with him or watched him play knows better than that. Much like the author of the article, there's no need to disparage one player to compliment the other. That said, the gap between the two is minimal.

**Pickle20** · 02-11-2013, 08:24 AM

Originally Posted by NCBirdfan

There also has to be a reason Fletcher was only a Pro Bowler 3 times, as opposed to Lewis's 13. Lewis was named Defensive Player of the Year twice; Fletcher never.

Lewis's All-Pro Teams
Year Team Level Voters
1997 2nd Team All-NFL Associated Press
1998 2nd Team All-NFL Associated Press
1998 1st Team All-NFL Sporting News
1999 1st Team All-Conf. Pro Football Weekly
1999 1st Team All-NFL Associated Press
1999 1st Team All-NFL Pro Football Writers
1999 1st Team All-NFL Sporting News
2000 1st Team All-Conf. Pro Football Weekly
2000 1st Team All-NFL Associated Press
2000 1st Team All-NFL Pro Football Writers
2000 1st Team All-NFL Sporting News
2001 1st Team All-Conf. Pro Football Weekly
2001 1st Team All-NFL Associated Press
2001 1st Team All-NFL Sporting News
2003 1st Team All-Conf. Pro Football Weekly
2003 1st Team All-NFL Associated Press
2003 1st Team All-NFL Pro Football Writers
2003 1st Team All-NFL Sporting News
2004 1st Team All-NFL Associated Press
2004 1st Team All-NFL Sporting News
2008 1st Team All-NFL Associated Press
2008 1st Team All-NFL Pro Football Writers
2009 1st Team All-NFL Associated Press
2009 2nd Team All-NFL Pro Football Focus
2010 2nd Team All-NFL Associated Press
2011 1st Team All-NFL Pro Football Focus
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Fletcher's All-Pro Teams
Year Team Level Voters
2011 2nd Team All-NFL Associated Press
2012 2nd Team All-NFL Associated Press
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Mark Twain said there were three types of lies: Lies, Damn lies and STATISTICS! In the case of comparing Lewis and Fletcher it could not be more true.

There's no doubt, Fletcher has been a very good middle linebacker. He also has had good character and durability. But Lewis redefined the position. Ask any GM who they'd want in their prime and, no disrespect for Fletcher, Lewis would be the pick every time. It's not even as close as the stats would indicate.

Yeah, it's minimal all right.

**HAIL2BNG** · 02-11-2013, 08:28 AM

The whole point is that Fletcher hasn't received the same accolades despite being nearly as good. He should have had a pre-game dance.

**Pickle20** · 02-11-2013, 08:32 AM

Originally Posted by HAIL2BNG

The whole point is that Fletcher hasn't received the same accolades despite being nearly as good. He should have had a pre-game dance.

Yeah, the dancing stuff really got Lewis all that attention. His actual performance didn't matter at all.

LF hasn't received the same amount of accolades because it's simply not close.

The amount of hardware collected by Lewis should hammer that point through your thick skull.

**weird-O** · 02-11-2013, 08:35 AM

Originally Posted by HAIL2BNG

The whole point is that Fletcher hasn't received the same accolades despite being nearly as good. He should have had a pre-game dance.

I thought the point was that LF is a better player than Ray. at least, that's what the author said his point was.

saying Ray is only "considered" better, because of his pre-game dance, is like saying the Hogs weren't a good defensive line, they just had a nickname and crossdressing fans.

**HAIL2BNG** · 02-11-2013, 08:36 AM

Originally Posted by Pickle20

Yeah, the dancing stuff really got Lewis all that attention. His actual performance didn't matter at all.

LF hasn't received the same amount of accolades because it's simply not close.

The amount of hardware collected by Lewis should hammer that point through your thick skull.

Keep making up false arguments and ignoring the overall point because, god forbid, someone has the audacity to compare someone to Saint Ray Ray.

Nice to see hardware matters when it isn't rookie of the year. Oops, walked into that one didn't you?

**HAIL2BNG** · 02-11-2013, 08:37 AM

Originally Posted by weird-O

I thought the point was that LF is a better player than Ray. at least, that's what the author said his point was.

That was HIS point. Mine is the difference isn't as dismissive as your fans would want to believe. "Redefined the position" made me chuckle though.

**Frank Costanza 831** · 02-11-2013, 08:38 AM

Originally Posted by HAIL2BNG

You said Fletcher doesn't make players around him better. Anyone who played with him or watched him play knows better than that. Much like the author of the article, there's no need to disparage one player to compliment the other. That said, the gap between the two is minimal.

Why do you hate the Ravens so much? Is it jealousy of a vastly superior organization than the one you root for or is it.......what do you call it, oh yeah an "inferiority complex"?

**Pickle20** · 02-11-2013, 08:40 AM

Originally Posted by HAIL2BNG

Keep making up false arguments and ignoring the overall point because, god forbid, someone has the audacity to compare someone to Saint Ray Ray.

Nice to see hardware matters when it isn't rookie of the year. Oops, walked into that one didn't you?

No, since I never questioned RGIII winning rookie of the year. I think he, Wilson and Luck equally deserved it so I didn't question it at all.

Oops, walked into that one didn't you?

You can compare players to Ray....Taylor, Butkus...you know, the other LB's considered to be among the best LB's ever.

**HAIL2BNG** · 02-11-2013, 08:44 AM

Originally Posted by Pickle20

No, since I never questioned RGIII winning rookie of the year. I think he, Wilson and Luck equally deserved it so I didn't question it at all.

Oops, walked into that one didn't you?

You can compare players to Ray....Taylor, Butkus...you know, the other LB's considered to be among the best LB's ever.

Taylor and Butkus redefined the position.

**Pickle20** · 02-11-2013, 08:48 AM

Originally Posted by HAIL2BNG

Taylor and Butkus redefined the position.

And Lewis is cut from their cloth.

Fletcher, not so much.

**HAIL2BNG** · 02-11-2013, 08:55 AM

Please don't use "Lewis" and "cut" in the same sentence. That's disrespectful to the victims.

**Frank Costanza 831** · 02-11-2013, 08:58 AM

Originally Posted by HAIL2BNG

Please don't use "Lewis" and "cut" in the same sentence. That's disrespectful to the victims.

Wow you should try stand up

any particular reason you wont answer my question? you have seem to have an answer for everything else

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