"Redskins" are history!

[HAIL2BNG]

I don't think any fan is going to lose sleep over it.

[Marchetti]

Like yourself, what you think doesn't amount to much.

I know quite a few fans who are already mildly freaking out because of this latest wave because usually when this issue comes up it's "hi and bye" and then nothing.

Since the new year it's been in the news several times from several prominent sources.
They even did a segment on PTI and Tony and Mike both agreed the name has got to go.

[HAIL2BNG]

This guy's opinion matters more than the dumb mayor.

http://m.washingtonexaminer.com/bruc...rticle/2521608

[AFKAR7]

If a name change were ever come about I think it will be for reason only, money. Either being paid off or possibly denying it on a state level to the team if they get some kind of help from the state via taxes. I'm surprised the dolt in Annapolis has yet to comment seeing how PC he likes to be.

I still think this is much to do about nothing. Remember when Baltimore was going through the expansion process and they wanted to use the name "Bombers"? There was talk of people being upset and thinking it was insensitive to those who lost loved ones in bombings, really? How come we don't force teams that use the name "Hurricanes" to change their names? How many people have died in those?

Baltimore Bombers logo

http://www.google.com/search?q=balti...trpEZv2PqdbmM:

http://www.google.com/search?q=balti...WvJZV86OmmgXM:

[Ed Rooney]

I think the PG County team calling themselves the Washington Redskins is hugely inappropriate. The US government in Washington did more to decimate Indian populations. Forced marches, smallpox blankets, alcohol.....

It's like calling a team the Darkies or Big Nose Cheapskates.

I think they should be the Wizards, and give Bullets back to the basketball team.

Oh, and RGIII is done. Too many Haloti Ngata types in the NFL.

[Marchetti]

HAIL2BNG
This guy's opinion matters more than the dumb mayor.
http://m.washingtonexaminer.com/bruc...rticle/2521608

lol That i$n't his opinion. He'$ ju$t rebleating what $nyder tell$ him to $ay.

in regard$ to thi$:....“There’$ nothing that we feel is offen$ive…It’$ ludicrou$ to think that we’re trying to up$et anyone.”

It ju$t $how$ how ignorant the owner i$ about the blatant inherent raci$m with the racial $lur nickname regardle$$ of any poor lame excu$e a$ to the original intent which i$ totally be$ide the point.

$nyder of cour$e doe$n't want to lo$e money and changing the name will do that.

The day is coming!

[The Eternal White Belt]

Please feel free to provide examples of where the term "redskin" was ever used as a racial slur in history.

[HAIL2BNG]

lol That i$n't his opinion. He'$ ju$t rebleating what $nyder tell$ him to $ay.

in regard$ to thi$:....“There’$ nothing that we feel is offen$ive…It’$ ludicrou$ to think that we’re trying to up$et anyone.”

It ju$t $how$ how ignorant the owner i$ about the blatant inherent raci$m with the racial $lur nickname regardle$$ of any poor lame excu$e a$ to the original intent which i$ totally be$ide the point.

$nyder of cour$e doe$n't want to lo$e money and changing the name will do that.

The day is coming!

Actually, changing the name would be a financial boom for Snyder.

[HAIL2BNG]

I think the PG County team calling themselves the Washington Redskins is hugely inappropriate. The US government in Washington did more to decimate Indian populations. Forced marches, smallpox blankets, alcohol.....

It's like calling a team the Darkies or Big Nose Cheapskates.

I think they should be the Wizards, and give Bullets back to the basketball team.

Oh, and RGIII is done. Too many Haloti Ngata types in the NFL.

Right, because teams always take names of things they want to denigrate. That argument is more idiotic that pretending to find the name Redskins offensive while using the name of a guy who likes kiddie porn.

[Marchetti]

"Please feel free to provide examples of where the term "redskin" was ever used as a racial slur in history.

ok..here's just one for starters...
Manley Begay, senior lecturer in the American Indian Studies Program at the University of Arizona and a member of the Navajo Nation. "I've been called a 'dirty redskin' and a 'stinking red n-----,'" he said. "So believe me when I say those words are still very hurtful, including when you see them being celebrated in a sports context."
http://espn.go.com/blog/playbook/fan...sports-imagery

"And it was in those Westerns and so many more – all of ‘em – that I NEVER, not once, EVER, heard of a Redskin referred to respectfully. A Redskin was always dirty – ‘dirty Redskins’ – bloody – ‘bloody Redskins.’ Savage Redskins, inhuman Redskins. Unhuman. You name it."

• From an audience member who identified himself as Native American: "If [team owner] Dan Snyder truly thinks the word 'Redskins' is honorific, I challenge him to attend the next meeting of the National Congress of American Indians and try using that word to people's faces."

• From E. Newton Jackson, professor of sports management at the University of North Florida and a member of the Cherokee Tribes of South Carolina: "How does one person tell another that they honor them best? How do we do that when I'm telling you that what you're saying and doing does not honor me?"

• From Lois Risling, land specialist for the Hoopa Valley Tribes, who attended Stanford University in the early 1970s, when the school's teams were known as the Indians and were cheered on to "scalp the [Cal] bear": "We were told it was an honor to have an Indian mascot chosen as the symbol as a great university. When 55 of us presented a petition to have the name and symbol changed, we were told we were all taking it too personal and should just get over it. When we said Prince Lightfoot [the school's live mascot at the time] was wearing clothing that was wrong, and that his dance was wrong, we were told, 'Stanford Indians dress like this, and anyone who goes to Stanford is a Stanford Indian, so that makes it OK.'"

• From John Orendorff, a U.S. Army colonel and Native American: "I often feel that the underlying point of these 'honors' is that my Indian heritage is owned by others. The message I'm constantly getting is: 'We own you. We will define how we honor you. Don't tell us whether you like it or not, because we own you. When we hunt down Osama bin Laden, we can refer to him as Geronimo -- which happens to be my son's name -- because we own you. You don't control how you're perceived. We control that. Because we own you.'"

• From Robert Holden, deputy director of the National Congress of American Indians: "I'm a sports junkie, but I don't think the [team] owners understand that they're not honoring us. Honors like that we don't need. Please, take it back."

"It's just like the way Indians have always been depicted in the movies -- stupid and violent, although oddly noble in their savagery," said Kevin Gover, the museum's director and a Pawnee Indian. "Why is it that Native peoples aren't chosen to represent qualities like intelligence, piety, generosity, and love of family?"

N. Bruce Duthu, chair of the Native American Studies program at Dartmouth College and a member of the United Houma Nation of Louisiana, explained that limiting American Indian depictions to warlike caricatures has had ramifications that go beyond cultural stereotypes. "Indian savagery has long been used as an excuse to take away Indian property," he said. "Actual court cases have stated that Indians couldn't retain certain lands because they were too uncivilized, too savage, to be entrusted with those lands." In other words, the whole "battlefield warrior" caricature does more harm than good.

• From Gover, the museum director: "The practice of using Native mascots emerged at the same time the government was trying to destroy Native culture, Native language and Native traditions. The mascots therefore served the government's purpose of relegating Native culture to the past."

• From Duthu, the Dartmouth professor: "It's part of viewing Indians as a dead culture, as a plaything that's essentially become part of the public domain. Because if something is dead, you can use it however you want."

As former Skins beat writer Rick Snider weighed in with an Examiner column:... "if the term isn’t derogatory, then why are some American Indians offended?"

[Marchetti]

Quote:
Originally Posted by HAIL2BNG
Actually, changing the name would be a financial boom for Snyder.

A) again, like yourself, what you "think" doesn't amount to much....the phrase is "financial boon" not boom. lol

and...

2)....if $nyder truly believed that it would be a "financial boon"...the name change would already be a done deal.
One of the often sited reasons from "racialslur apologists" is that they won't change it BECAUSE of the $$!

[The Eternal White Belt]

ok..here's just one for starters...
Manley Begay, senior lecturer in the American Indian Studies Program at the University of Arizona and a member of the Navajo Nation. "I've been called a 'dirty redskin' and a 'stinking red n-----,'" he said. "So believe me when I say those words are still very hurtful, including when you see them being celebrated in a sports context."
http://espn.go.com/blog/playbook/fan...sports-imagery

So in the entire history of this nation, you have found exactly 1 case where someone was called a redskin in a derogatory manner... and about 100 cases where people say its derogatory because skin color is mentioned...

[AFKAR7]

So in the entire history of this nation, you have found exactly 1 case where someone was called a redskin in a derogatory manner... and about 100 cases where people say its derogatory because skin color is mentioned...

Isn't it possibly that he is not the only one but just the one we have heard from?

[HAIL2BNG]

A) again, like yourself, what you "think" doesn't amount to much....the phrase is "financial boon" not boom. lol

and...

2)....if $nyder truly believed that it would be a "financial boon"...the name change would already be a done deal.
One of the often sited reasons from "racialslur apologists" is that they won't change it BECAUSE of the $$!

My phone "corrected" boon to boom. Get over yourself.

If you think selling thousands of jerseys and other items wouldn't create millions for Snyder, how exactly would he lose money?

[Marchetti]

What part of ...."if the term isn’t derogatory, then why are some American Indians offended?"...&..."I've been called a 'dirty redskin' and a 'stinking red n-----.. "So believe me when I say those words are still very hurtful, including when you see them being celebrated in a sports context." ...don't you "racialslur apologists" understand?

[Marchetti]

Originally Posted by HAIL2BNG
My phone "corrected" boon to boom.

lol, sure, uh huh, likely story.

If you think selling thousands of jerseys and other items wouldn't create millions for Snyder, how exactly would he lose money?

what makes you think he'll sell thousands of jerseys and other items?
because you think they will??
because you hope they will???

[HAIL2BNG]

lol, sure, uh huh, likely story.


what makes you think he'll sell thousands of jerseys and other items?
because you think they will??
because you hope they will???

Because Redskins fans will buy them just like we've bought them and everything else while the team has stunk. Hell, we finally have a decent QB and his jersey is the best seller in the whole league.

[HAIL2BNG]

What part of ...."if the term isn’t derogatory, then why are some American Indians offended?"...&..."I've been called a 'dirty redskin' and a 'stinking red n-----.. "So believe me when I say those words are still very hurtful, including when you see them being celebrated in a sports context." ...don't you "racialslur apologists" understand?

Dirty redskin and stinking redskin? Looks like the redskin part isn't the insult. You can call someone a dirty jew or a stinking Jew and the Jew part isn't the pejorative.

[Marchetti]

HAIL2BNG
Quote:
Originally Posted by HAIL2BNG
"Redskins fans will buy them just like we've bought them and everything else while the team has stunk. Hell, we finally have a decent QB and his jersey is the best seller in the whole league".

If they change the offensive name and logo, they'll keep the colors at least, so nobody will have to buy new jerseys.
Again, most give as a reason against change as there is too much money involved. If redskin fans are readily willing to fork over millions of dollars in merchandise in an awful economy at the drop of a hat as you "think" they would then money shouldn't be a hindrance. If $nyder thought he could make money in the long run it would be a done deal.

HAIL2BNG
Quote:
Originally Posted by HAIL2BNG
"redskin and stinking redskin? Looks like the redskin part isn't the insult. You can call someone a dirty jew or a stinking Jew and the Jew part isn't the pejorative.

Looks like you aren't very bright obviously, it's no wonder you don't "get it".
I'd love to see you say redskin to his face!

Better yet, walk in a bar on a reservation and say out loud, "any of you redskins have change for a 5 dollar bill?"
I 'm willing to wager they won't feel you are honoring them.

"if the term isn’t derogatory, then why are some American Indians offended?"
"So believe me when I say those words are still very hurtful, including when you see them being celebrated in a sports context."

[HAIL2BNG]

Wrong on both counts. Show me where anyone has said Snyder would lose money. Also, thanks for ignoring the top selling jersey. Redskins fans would spend millions on new merchandise.

Keep spinning that argument that Redskin is a bad word. When your example of dirty redskin/stinking redskin didn't work, you made up a new thing. They really shouldn't have bars on reservations though with all the rampant alcoholism.