The "Only way to stop a bad guy with a gun is with a good guy with a gun" myth.

[Jeebus]

Again, you presume the perp has no aversion of confrontation. Again, why break in at 3AM....when most people are asleep?

I would strongly disagree with that assumption.

As I would with yours, because burglars are never armed nor do they intend to cause harm, only steal your TV.

Oh, wait. This happened just this week.

A 72-year-old homeowner immediately retrieved his handgun when he heard several home intruders attempting to gain entry to his Las Vegas residence early Monday morning. And when the criminals entered his bedroom, he opened fire, killing one of the suspects and sending the rest fleeing, KLAS-TV reports.

“Several intruders, had gotten into the home, entered his bedroom and he fired at least one shot, and they fled,” Metro Police Officer Bill Cassell said. “It is unusual, first of all, to have multiple people burglarizing a residence, especially when they are carrying weapons.”

When police eventually arrived at the Las Vegas home, they found one of the intruders trying to escape in a car. The car hit a patrol car and then the suspect attempted to flee on foot, however, police were able to take the man into custody.

A second suspect, described as a Latin male, was last seen running from the neighborhood where the attempted robbery took place. He remains at large. Police found a third male, armed with a handgun, dead in the homeowner’s backyard. The cause of death was determined to be a gunshot wound.

He should have fled to his closet and waited for police to arrive and......do what?

[bmore_ken]

Again, you presume the perp has no aversion of confrontation. Again, why break in at 3AM....when most people are asleep?

I would strongly disagree with that assumption.

No home has ever been broken into at 3AM? Really?

Jonathan Courson, 26, told investigators two African-American men forced their way into the couple’s Oak Ridge Subdivision home about 4 a.m. Friday, the Sheriff’s Office said.

Courson said the two men tied up him and his wife Mandy Courson, 28, and later killed her, Chief Deputy Lee J. Sweat said.

Courson also said that his home’s security system did not alert his familyhttp://members.jacksonville.com/news...-home-invasion

A woman was shot to death and her husband wounded when they confronted a man and woman who had broken into their Henry County home early Saturday morning.Hours later, police were still searching for the two suspects.

http://www.examiner.com/article/wife...-home-invasion

[Jeebus]

No home has ever been broken into at 3AM? Really?

In my example, the good guy with the gun stopped the bad guy with the gun.

[bmore_ken]

In my example, the good guy with the gun stopped the bad guy with the gun.

And in my examples two people died because they had no weapons. Coincidence?

[CajunRaven]

Everybody has a solution, just listen to them. If the "gun nuts" and "gun grabbers" weren't stopping them, we could end everything bad with guns with either disarming or an arms race. Jeebus has convinced me here; he as (insert Schwarzenegger character here) is going to save the day whenever he is needed.

The biggest problem for me is that this all came to a head recently over a really, really rare event. I'm concerned about anybody who wants to make massive policy changes based on an event that is so rare and affects so few.

This.

[CajunRaven]

I'm good, I'm not a member.

Just because you're not a member doesn't mean you're good.

[Grindelwald]

Just because you're not a member doesn't mean you're good.

I'm good in the sense that I live in a reality based world, which is something that the NRA and its members......

lack.

[slapshot]

No home has ever been broken into at 3AM? Really?

Did I say that? Really?

Geez.

I said most perps who break into a home at that time of the morning are "not looking for a confrontation". And I would be correct.

Oh, and your article supports my position. Thanks!

"During the robbery a struggle between the suspects and the homeowners ensued,” spokesman Maj. Jason Bolton said. “One of the victims was shot by a suspect and later died at the hospital. The two suspects fled the scene following the shooting.”

So, most likely, the homeowner went to "investigate" and was shot in the "ensuing struggle". They "confronted" the intruder. I'm advocating not to do that. Things can be replaced.

As I said, hunker down and call the cops.

But as I already said, please go investigate should this happen to you....do as you please, I don't care. I really don't. But I'm quite confident that my approach is far less risky to my health, and the health of my wife, than is your's.

[CajunRaven]

I'm good in the sense that I live in a reality based world, which is something that the NRA and its members......

lack.

You do realize NRA members are a diverse group that come from many political stripes.

The fact you take an organization that large and lump all the members into one category indicates reality is not a place you are living in.

[slapshot]

Oh, and since we're posting news clippings....here is the other reason why not to go investigating with deadly force:

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504083_1...r-family-says/

http://www.detroitnews.net/story.php?rid=205650566

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/0...n_1873644.html

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/10/21...ken-for-skunk/

Chit happens, except in these cases, a friend or relative is dead, and you might end up in jail, or as a defendant in court....but at least they didn't get your 50 inch TV.

[veritas]

Wow that was quite a link.



Wait, I thought if people didn't have guns they'd kill with something else, like knives? If that's the case, then how would I be defenseless if I didn't have a gun, but still had knives in the house?

Brilliant logic! Right-wingers never cease to amaze.

You mix together people committing assaults and murders with those simply defending themselves and then pat yourself on the back for having made some sort of telling point. Brilliant logic indeed.

As I said, you're free to defend yourself with a knife, broomstick, fly swatter or wet noodle if you want to but you have no right to dictate to others how they will defend themselves.

[bmore_ken]

You mix together people committing assaults and murders with those simply defending themselves and then pat yourself on the back for having made some sort of telling point. Brilliant logic indeed.

As I said, you're free to defend yourself with a knife, broomstick, fly swatter or wet noodle if you want to but you have no right to dictate to others how they will defend themselves.

I'll take my 9MM over a knife for protection any day of the week

[Grindelwald]

I'll take my 9MM over a knife for protection any day of the week

So would I.

And so would any criminal. So let's do what we can to help stop criminals from getting them.

You mix together people committing assaults and murders with those simply defending themselves and then pat yourself on the back for having made some sort of telling point. Brilliant logic indeed.

As I said, you're free to defend yourself with a knife, broomstick, fly swatter or wet noodle if you want to but you have no right to dictate to others how they will defend themselves.

I challenge you to find a post of mine where I said law abiding citizens shouldn't be allowed to own any type of firearm.

Hint: You won't find one.

[veritas]

So would I.

And so would any criminal. So let's do what we can to help stop criminals from getting them.


I challenge you to find a post of mine where I said law abiding citizens shouldn't be allowed to own any type of firearm.

Hint: You won't find one.

Oh, so you have no problem if I go out and buy a so called "assault weapon" this afternoon? If you want to ban them then you are keeping law abiding citizens from having a specific type of firearm.

As far as stopping criminals from getting weapons, that is nearly impossible to do. What we need to do is impose harsh mandatory sentences for gun crimes and improve our ability to institutionalize those who are mentally unstable and a threat to the public, when and if we can identify them. No type of gun ban is going to make a school, a mall or a home one bit safer.

[bmore_ken]

No type of gun ban is going to make a school, a mall or a home one bit safer.

This is the point the anti gun folks don't or just won't get

[Gizmo]

I'll take my 9MM over a knife for protection any day of the week

I wanted to agree with Ken 100% on this.

[Grindelwald]

Oh, so you have no problem if I go out and buy a so called "assault weapon" this afternoon? If you want to ban them then you are keeping law abiding citizens from having a specific type of firearm.

Assault weapons account for a small % of firearms, as I've said a gazillion times.

As far as stopping criminals from getting weapons, that is nearly impossible to do.

I disagree.

What we need to do is impose harsh mandatory sentences for gun crimes and improve our ability to institutionalize those who are mentally unstable and a threat to the public, when and if we can identify them.

Harsher punishments is a valid option. I do have a problem with the "mandatory" part, because you're taking away power from the judicial branch and sending it to the legislative.

No type of gun ban is going to make a school, a mall or a home one bit safer.

I don't know why you are hung up with the "gun ban" stuff. No one is advocating a "gun ban". Except slapshot, maybe.

[Jeebus]

But as I already said, please go investigate should this happen to you....do as you please, I don't care. I really don't.

That's a lie, you DO care, enough to lead a charge to take away the rights of other law abiding people to choose the weapons THEY want to choose to defend themselves.

[slapshot]

That's a lie, you DO care, enough to lead a charge to take away the rights of other law abiding people to choose the weapons THEY want to choose to defend themselves.

If only I was that powerful.

Hardly a lie. It maters not one iota to me what you, or anyone else, chooses to do if someone breaks into your house at 3AM. It DOES mater to me, however, if nut jobs can easily gain access to weapons that can kill a lot of innocent people, in a short time....and decide to use those weapons outside their house to shoot up a school or movie theatre. Since we seem to be unsuccessful in distinguishing the nut jobs, from the sane people, and have no way to insure these guns will remain at home, or on rifle ranges.... then yeah, i am for a ban on these types of weapons...until such time as we can differentiate the sane, from those who could go ballistic at any moment (eg, see ex/rogue cop).

If a ban does go into effect, you will still have plenty of other gun options to choose from. I would think a shotgun would be right down your alley? Although, I would prefer a flame-thrower. Nobody is getting up the stairs, if I got one of them. The 2nd Amendment guarantees you will always have the right to defend yourself, your home....just not the right to choose any weapon you want. The Courts are clear on that issue.

There's nothing more to say....so off you go to spew more of you racist and/or anti-Muslim hate messages. You seem overly pre-occupied/concerned about someone breaking into your house. Paranoia, or do you have good reason to have such fear? Maybe you've pissed too many of your neighbors off? Road rage? The bitter, old man in the neighborhood who runs teens off his property? Who knows? Or Maybe the Muslim Brotherhood is out to get you? Get some help, man.

[TheResearcher]

I'll take my 9MM over a knife for protection any day of the week

Amen.