Should black people tolerate this?

[workerbee]

Where did the poster say he was lynched? Interesting how you avoid seeing the double standard.

He/she see it... Just trying to justify it

[bmorepunk]

And everyone wants to believe their views are mainstream moderate views. Now be honest with yourself and take the online questionnaire to see where you actually stand.

I'm certainly not "mainstream". A lot of my opinions are quite unpopular with both sides of the defined polar political spectrum. For example, I am alright all types of killing under reasonable circumstances - death penalty, warfare, and abortion. The quiz resulted in Moderate Libertarian Liberal. One more question goes another way than it replaces Liberal with Conservative.

[pepper]

I don't think anyone thinks they aren't affected tax wise. My point was if I'm living in Hunt Valley and a 17 yr old drug runner in Baltimore gets killed tonight by a 18 yr old drug runner protecting his turf or settling a score, other than taxes that I have to pay anyway, how does it really affect my life?

It does not directly effect you in the moment, I agree.

Long term though, I think those types of killings have a very serious effect. Home values, companies looking to locate, school quality, neighborhood quality of life...

That 17 year old, multiplied by 250+ each year, creates an unstable environment that few will willingly invest in.

You and I, as taxpayers, will fund that which normal commerce has learned to ignore.

[dialtone]

I don't think anyone thinks they aren't affected tax wise. My point was if I'm living in Hunt Valley and a 17 yr old drug runner in Baltimore gets killed tonight by a 18 yr old drug runner protecting his turf or settling a score, other than taxes that I have to pay anyway, how does it really affect my life?

Does it have to affect y our life for you to have concern for others. You may not be able to fix the problem, but that doesn't mean you can't care about a solution being found.

[Smokey 1]

So it's fair to compare people who were assumed to be guilty and murdered without a trial to someone who is on trial for murder?

He wouldn't be on trial if it were up to some on this board. He would already be hanging from a tree if they had their way.

The point was that some are upset to the point of hysteria about the death of a black man at the hands of "white" man but don't give a crap about the multitude of black men who die at the hands of other black men. You don't see any hypocrisy in that?

[soulflower]

He wouldn't be on trial if it were up to some on this board. He would already be hanging from a tree if they had their way.

The point was that some are upset to the point of hysteria about the death of a black man at the hands of "white" man but don't give a crap about the multitude of black men who die at the hands of other black men. You don't see any hypocrisy in that?

Shadow is the one who tried to rationalize mob violence against Blacks.

No one I know has tried to rationalize any forms of violence whether it be racial violence or black on black violence

[The Shadow]

Your "celebrating" and "Maybe he's" is an attempt to put words in my mouth to fit your biased assumptions. When Liberals can't argue, they insult and accuse.

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Come on dude, don't back down now. How about some more vaguequotes that barely relate to what people are talking about? How about another link to a web page authored by a crazy person?

I'm not liberal, but since I'm left ofyour paranoid fascist utopia I must be one, right?

[The Shadow]

Lynching was a form of rural law enforcement, plenty of whites were also lynched. While some abuse and lynching of innocent blacks occurred for reasons of racial animus (plenty of innocent whites today are killed by blacks for little else), the majority were not. This was how much of early America (just as in many villages in Africa today) dealt with crime in their communities. Many of these places were small tight nit communities in which everyone knew everyone else, including the accused, well enough to have a far better knowledge of guilt or innocence than some liberal bleeding heart apologists (or angry black man full of racist animus), 100 years after the fact.

Shadow is the one who tried to rationalize mob violence against Blacks.

No I didn't. Explaining why things happened in the context of their time, is not trying to rationalize in a positive sense, or claim what was done was right. My post was in response to the constant Liberal focus on Lynching as a form of racism, when in fact it was used as a form of rural justice, regardless of the race of the person being lynched. I stated there were exceptions, but not the wholesale racist mass murder of innocent blacks as Liberals would like us believe.

This selective outrage is based on blatant racist hypocrisy. It isn't the "injustice" of "Lynching" that is the outrage. Blacks murder or lynch more innocent blacks in 10 years than were ever murdered or lynched by whites in 100. It isn't "Lynching" of whites by whites, blacks by blacks, or even whites by blacks, that get Liberals to cry "Outrage!", "Murder!", "Racism!", "Innocent Victim!"....It's ONLY when a black was lynched by whites that they claim those things, or even care.

Whites were Lynched by whites. Blacks were Lynched by whites. Blacks were Lynched by blacks. Whites were Lynched by blacks. But only when blacks were Lynched by whites does it become a racist conspiracy to keep the black man down.

And Lynching is still practiced by blacks in Africa and elswhere today, with no cries of outrage from the black community: Accused Witch Burned Alive in Papua New Guinea

When did Zimmerman get lynched?

LOL! Oh please. They would if they could. The man got a public Lynching in the Lib mass media, to the point they falsified evidence to inflame racial outrage.

'Dead or Alive' Poster Issued by New Black Panther Party

JESSE JACKSON: 'BLACKS ARE UNDER ATTACK'

And then there are the Countless Death Threats Against Zimmerman, A Man Not Proven Guilty that he and his family had to go in hiding from people worked up by the Liberal Mass Media and the 'Klan with the Tan', Jesse 'HymieTown' Jackson and Al 'Tawana Brawley' Sharpton, that they want him "Lynched". Do you honestly believe that if Zimmerman walked into many a black urban population and announced who he was, that he would be set upon and 'Lynched" by a mob??

And for all your posts claiming "let the jury decide", you yourself are willing to pass judgement and a sentence a man without a trial, based on just what a misleading media told you:

"Both Zimmerman and Martin maybe should have handled things differently. However, there's still no clear justification for using his firearm. He should atleast get a manslaughter charge."-Soulflower

"He shot an unarmed kid. That's more than enough to press charges in most places. I don't know what's wrong with Florida."

"I agree but theres enough for him to be charged with manslaughter" -Soulflower

“The media's the most powerful entity on earth. They have the power to make the innocent guilty and to make the guilty innocent, and that's power. Because they control the minds of the masses.”-Malcolm X

No one I know has tried to rationalize any forms of violence whether it be racial violence or black on black violence

"The rapists are beneath savage. Necklace them" -Kandace

"Necklace the shooter."-Kandace

"I don't think they should have shot him to death. Maybe shoot him to incapacitation and then everyone around join in to stomp him the rest of the way out of this world."- LadyHollman

"The only worthy response to a crime of such deep evil is to seize the perpetrators, bind them with ropes, gather a crowd armed with bricks, stone the perpetrators to death, and then pour gasoline on the remains and burn them."-kandace

[bmorepunk]

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Interesting, given that the first "accusation" came from you when you called me liberal.

By your definition you're the liberal.

Congratulations, comrade.

[soulflower]

No I didn't. Explaining why things happened in the context of their time, is not trying to rationalize in a positive sense, or claim what was done was right. My post was in response to the constant Liberal focus on Lynching as a form of racism, when in fact it was used as a form of rural justice, regardless of the race of the person being lynched. I stated there were exceptions, but not the wholesale racist mass murder of innocent blacks as Liberals would like us believe.

There's no justice in murder. Sounds like you're defending it.

Blacks were Lynched by blacks.

Got a link?

Whites were Lynched by blacks.

In America Pre-1965? Django Unchained was just a movie dude...

But only when blacks were Lynched by whites does it become a racist conspiracy to keep the black man down.

It wasn't a conspiracy. It was called "Jim Crow". Oppression of Blacks was legal and acceptable for a long time.

And Lynching is still practiced by blacks in Africa and elswhere today, with no cries of outrage from the black community: Accused Witch Burned Alive in Papua New Guinea

I don't care about things that happen Africa today anymore than I care about things that happen in Europe or Asia.

And then there are the Countless Death Threats Against Zimmerman, A Man Not Proven Guilty that he and his family had to go in hiding from people worked up by the Liberal Mass Media and the 'Klan with the Tan', Jesse 'HymieTown' Jackson and Al 'Tawana Brawley' Sharpton, that they want him "Lynched". Do you honestly believe that if Zimmerman walked into many a black urban population and announced who he was, that he would be set upon and 'Lynched" by a mob??

George Zimmerman is alive and well. He's on trial. Anyone who attempts to harm him will likely be charged with a crime unlike the folks who lynched Blacks in the Jim Crow South...

And for all your posts claiming "let the jury decide", you yourself are willing to pass judgement and a sentence a man without a trial, based on just what a misleading media told you:

"Both Zimmerman and Martin maybe should have handled things differently. However, there's still no clear justification for using his firearm. He should atleast get a manslaughter charge."-Soulflower

And the legal system agrees with me given that Zimmerman has been charged with 2nd degree murder

I still don't understand what the Trayvon Martin case has to do with your weak defense of racial violence against Blacks.

I'm offended that in Black History Month you are trying to rationalize a form of terrorism against Blacks:

Lynching arose from the ashes of a ruthless and costly war that pitted brother against brother and father against son. The Civil War left a trail of blood and bitterness that twisted its way through successive generations and set the stage for a frenzy of so called mob justice that killed thousands of men, women and children, most of them black. And between the years 1880 and 1905, a period of twenty five years, not one person was ever convicted of any crime associated with these killings. Lynchings are, in effect, the most extensive series of unsolved murders in American history.

http://www.trutv.com/library/crime/n...g/index_1.html

[bmore_ken]

It does not directly effect you in the moment, I agree.

Long term though, I think those types of killings have a very serious effect. Home values, companies looking to locate, school quality, neighborhood quality of life...

That 17 year old, multiplied by 250+ each year, creates an unstable environment that few will willingly invest in.

You and I, as taxpayers, will fund that which normal commerce has learned to ignore.

The numbers don't really bear that out. I mean let's keep it real. Lots of young people come here after graduation to work at Hopkins or the University of Maryland,etc, they're just not moving to west Baltimore or extreme east Baltimore where these things are prevalent. I don't see any home values dropping severely(No I haven't looked at the numbers) in places like Guilford or Roland Park. As far as neighborhood quality of life and the schools, again that's neighborhood specific. I have a nephew that goes Leith Walk elementary school. It's a very good high ranking public school unaffected by the carnage in the areas I mentioned. And it sure didn't stop Under Armour from setting up shop

[bmore_ken]

Does it have to affect y our life for you to have concern for others. You may not be able to fix the problem, but that doesn't mean you can't care about a solution being found.

Why should I care about criminals killing each other? Oh and I already have the solution. Legalize drugs. Good luck getting any politicians with the balls to suggest it.

[musicmd]

Why should I care about criminals killing each other? Oh and I already have the solution. Legalize drugs. Good luck getting any politicians with the balls to suggest it.

Ken, just like Prohibition; however, whites where killing whites, big difference. Most people in here don't care about blacks killing blacks. It just gives them something to bash blacks about, and shine their superiority badge.

[musicmd]

Shadow is the one who tried to rationalize mob violence against Blacks.

No one I know has tried to rationalize any forms of violence whether it be racial violence or black on black violence

Shadow gets a pass, his rationalization is beyond belief.

[Jeebus]

No one I know has tried to rationalize any forms of violence whether it be racial violence or black on black violence

"Rationalizing" - to make excuses for, to avoid uncomfortable explanations in order to make something consciously tolerable.

I think that defines bmore_ken's position -- "Why should I care about criminals killing each other?" -- quite accurately.

[bmore_ken]

"Rationalizing" - to make excuses for, to avoid uncomfortable explanations in order to make something consciously tolerable.

I think that defines bmore_ken's position -- "Why should I care about criminals killing each other?" -- quite accurately.

I'm not rationalizing or making excuses for anything. Young black people are killing other young black people over drug money. That's not an excuse or rationalization, just the facts M'am. So again why should I care about one drug dealer killing another one? In fact bmore_ken is the only person on this thread who has proposed a solution. The rest of you are just masterbating on the issue

[Jeebus]

I'm not rationalizing or making excuses for anything. Young black people are killing other young black people over drug money. That's not an excuse or rationalization, just the facts M'am. So again why should I care about one drug dealer killing another one?

Instead, I would ask you - Why do you not care about the deaths of young black men, in your home city, regardless of their profession?"

[bmore_ken]

Instead, I would ask you - Why do you not care about the deaths of young black men, in your home city, regardless of their profession?"

Because they're criminals. Any more dumb questions?

[Jeebus]

Because they're criminals. Any more dumb questions?

And you believe the crime of drug dealing should be punished by death?

[RavnFreek]

The same reason so many whites are assuming his innocence without a trial or an aquittal

Not really following you here. Zimmerman isnt white