Students Who Refuse to Affirm Transgender Classmates Face Punishment

[Baltimatt]

I have met Twin Peaks Nikki and she gave me a tour of San Francisco when I was out there. Opinionated but pleasant in person.

[Mom49of4]

That is one poster I would enjoy meeting Matt!

[Kenect2]

No thanks. It all sounds like more of that "Hey, look at me, I'm special!" claptrap. More people hitching a ride to Privilageville on the Special Victim/Protected Species Express. Well, have a nice trip and all, but truth to be told, I really don't give a damn what your genuinely preferred gender is (Why should I, since it's your preference and I'm not gonna ask you for a date, right?) and feel no need to respect it any more than I feel the need to respect your preference to dye your hair yellow or paint your toe nails with glitter. I doesn't bother me none that you do; it's just that I'd prefer (my preference, don't you see?) that you not bother me that you do either.

Oh right, because getting sex reassignment surgery is such a privilege! There are some not-safe-for-work videos of the procedure on youtube. It basically involves cutting the penis open and turning the skin inside out in order to make a vagina canal. You can imagine it's rather painful and very permanent. Do you seriously think that an individual would go through that hell just for attention?

Transgender is a recognized medical condition which requires medical treatment.

[Kenect2]

Only the quacky left would think that forcing kids to call some guy "Jane" or be punished, is a great idea. Then, if they simply ignore "Jane", why that gets labelled as bullying and punished as well. The real bullies are the leftwing nuts continually forcing their social agenda on the rest of society.

Transgender girls are girls, not guys. Have some respect.

The red herring about students ignoring other students is nothing but tabloid hype. Did you seriously fall for that exaggeration? Did you even bother to read the actual Guidance - or any other facts of the matter? Please try to think critically about this issue instead of trying to manufacture enemies.

[Marshan Man]

I have met Twin Peaks Nikki and she gave me a tour of San Francisco when I was out there. Opinionated but pleasant in person.

Wow...

You've pretty much met us all, huh Matt?

[Baltimatt]

Marshan Man--

I've never met Mom49!

[Smokey 1]

Transgender girls are girls, not guys. Have some respect.

The red herring about students ignoring other students is nothing but tabloid hype. Did you seriously fall for that exaggeration? Did you even bother to read the actual Guidance - or any other facts of the matter? Please try to think critically about this issue instead of trying to manufacture enemies.

I got the "ostracizing" part right from the guidance not any "tabloid".

[Mom49of4]

Marshan Man--

I've never met Mom49!

Next time I am at Mercy Hospital with hubby we should try!

[veritas]

Transgender girls are girls, not guys. Have some respect.

The red herring about students ignoring other students is nothing but tabloid hype. Did you seriously fall for that exaggeration? Did you even bother to read the actual Guidance - or any other facts of the matter? Please try to think critically about this issue instead of trying to manufacture enemies.

Look, what it all boils down to is wag the dog. The rest of the student body has to modify its behavior in regard to one student. Even if they simply want to ignore the student, that is apparently unacceptable too. IOW, forced acceptance and recognition is the only option.

[Baltimatt]

Mom--

OK. I'm usually on my way home between 4:00 and 4:30 p.m.

[Kenect2]

It shows that no matter what they do to be the other sex most people won't fully accept that they are.

Is that what they're looking for? They especially know they once had a penis or vagina. I think they're just trying to feel comfortable in their own skin. I don't think it matters what others say as much. If it did, I doubt they would have ever begun crossdressing in the first place.

This apparently needs to be said again. The majority trans people are essentially indistinguishable from other members of their preferred gender. And for trans women who have had SRS, that blending in extends to the genitals.

It's a sampling bias to look at one trans person who has a hard time blending in, and then falsely assume that all trans people have a hard time blending in. Sometimes older transitioners have trouble blending in, which is why reconstructive surgeries are sometimes necessary to repair facial features damaged by the wrong hormones. However, trans folks who transition at a young age tend to blend in excellently. Because they "pass" they have much less trouble being accepted as their preferred gender.

Marshan Man, of course trans people want to find love and acceptance just like everyone else.

[Marshan Man]

Marshan Man--

I've never met Mom49!

I'm shocked!

[banner1124]

Look, what it all boils down to is wag the dog. The rest of the student body has to modify its behavior in regard to one student. Even if they simply want to ignore the student, that is apparently unacceptable too. IOW, forced acceptance and recognition is the only option.

Ostracize and ignore are not the same thing

[Mom49of4]

Mom--

OK. I'm usually on my way home between 4:00 and 4:30 p.m.

Great!! We should go into the Sun building and introduce ourselves.

[bullmikey]

Oh right, because getting sex reassignment surgery is such a privilege! There are some not-safe-for-work videos of the procedure on youtube. It basically involves cutting the penis open and turning the skin inside out in order to make a vagina canal. You can imagine it's rather painful and very permanent. Do you seriously think that an individual would go through that hell just for attention?

I have no idea why someone would suffer all that. Probably explains why most don't.

Transgender is a recognized medical condition which requires medical treatment.

Is it curable?

[Marshan Man]

Look, what it all boils down to is wag the dog. The rest of the student body has to modify its behavior in regard to one student. Even if they simply want to ignore the student, that is apparently unacceptable too. IOW, forced acceptance and recognition is the only option.

Rest of the student body has to modify their behavior?? By treating someone with dignity??? You obviously don't think highly of the student body...

[Kenect2]

While I do not agree with Bmore's analysis regarding bullying I will say this. While I was having marital trouble prior to my divorce several years ago I was an active participant on a bbs dedicated to relationship and marital issues. We discussed many personal and delicate topics. Well, eventually one of these people that I had "known" on this bbs came out as a transgender during the time that he was ending his marriage. In fact she has now completed her surgery and her "transition". What I did learn from this is while I still find it quite bizarre, she is just another person. She has similar thoughts, wants, needs as the rest of us. For a long time I resisted thinking of this, content to label her a freak in my mind. But she isn't a freak emotionally. She is a fairly normal, fairly well adjusted person. It was quite a learning experience for me. A chance to stretch my thoughts beyond what I'd been willing to do previously.

Rael, thank you for sharing your experience with a woman in transition.

As a matter of fact, every person who has "known" me on this forum over the last ten years I've been posting here, also knows a trans woman. I transitioned last year in an attempt to resolve this medical issue that has tortured me my entire life. I feel a lot better these days.

Regarding the topic of this thread, the

Guidance for Massachusetts Public Schools
Creating a Safe and Supportive School Environment
Nondiscrimination on the Basis of Gender Identity

I pray that it becomes a model for the nation. It is an enlightened document. I cried last night as I read it. I would have been saved many years of suffering if I had been raised under that Guidance.

[veritas]

Ostracize and ignore are not the same thing

Even if that is so, are we also on the lookout for fat kids being ostracized? Small kids? Nerds? Shy kids? Ugly kids? That's a lot of time used to weed out ostracization.

[Kenect2]

I have no idea why someone would suffer all that. Probably explains why most don't.

Over 90% of people who identify as transgender women want SRS and I believe a majority of trans women in modern nations actually do get it. The reason why some don't get it is because it costs $15,000 or more and is usually not covered by insurance. However, that is rapidly changing and more employers and insurance companies are ending their discrimination against trans people.

Over 95% of trans men want double mastectomy and a similarly large percentage want hysterectomy.

Is it curable?

Hormone replacement therapy and SRS are the only known effective treatment for the transgender condition.

[Kenect2]

Even if that is so, are we also on the lookout for fat kids being ostracized? Small kids? Nerds? Shy kids? Ugly kids? That's a lot of time used to weed out ostracization.

There certainly needs to be more effort to stop bullying in schools and protecting gender non-conforming children is one way in which anti-bullying efforts can be brought into the schools.