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    Quote Originally Posted by Smokey 1 View Post
    I was trying to be nice but since you acting like a jerk all bets are off. I was going to ask you who the dude was in your avatar, I could tell it wasn't a real woman. You are what your DNA says you are. You may think you are a woman but if your DNA is XY you are a male. A straight person has every right to be enraged if a transgender fooled them into thinking they were something they are not and there is nothing wrong with their revulsion. I don't support a violent reaction but I understand if someone reacted that way and if they did it would be the fault of the person who was deceiving them. If you are married to a male that male is gay and so are you.
    Oh right, it's my fault that you've responded with hate and ignorance. Sure, that makes sense.

    If you ever want to find out more about a picture, you can go to google images, then click on and drag the picture into the google images search bar. If you were to do that for my avatar, you will find that he is Andrej Pejic. It's pretty amazing that you could tell he's not a "real woman" since he's a famous super model of both women's and men's fashions. I guess you've got a better eye for feminine beauty than the world's leading fashion designers.

    I refer to Andrej as 'he' because I have never heard him refer to himself as she. I've heard that he doesn't care how people gender him, and I don't know how he identifies. Maybe he's trans and maybe not. Either way, it really exposes your hatred when you feel the need to go out of your way to invalidate his gender identity, and makes you look pretty silly because he doesn't even identify as a woman.

    A Human being cannot be reduced to DNA, we are vastly more complex than that. The first level of complexity after our DNA is expression into proteins, aka, epigenetics. A recent discovery by Rice et al shows that gender-sex variance is in fact caused by an epigenetic mechanism. So homosexuality and transgender are both caused by a variation in the way the DNA is expressed. It is believed that there is an anomalous expression of the androgen receptor, which leads to an insensitivity to testosterone and a consequent failure to masculinize parts of the brain.

    When the androgen receptor is completely knocked out, it produces an intersex condition called complete androgen insensitivity syndrome (CAIS). In this condition, a person with a the 46,XY genotype is born with a vulva, a shallow vagina, and testicles which later descend into the labia. These individuals go through normal female puberty, although they do not menstruate.

    It may surprise you to know that there is at least one known case of an individual with the 46,XY genotype who had a full female reproductive system and even gave birth to two children. Report of Fertility in a Woman with a Predominantly 46,XY Karyotype in a Family with Multiple Disorders of Sexual Development The Journal of Clinical Endocrinology & Metabolism January 1, 2008 vol. 93 no. 1 182-189

    So basically, you have no idea what you're talking about. Not everyone with the 46,XY genotype is male. Some folks with 46,XY are female. I'll be happy to go into the cases of 46,XX individuals who were born with a functional penis, with internal ovaries and uterus if you like. And another thing, I've never had my chromosomes tested and neither have you. So neither of us know what sex chromosomes we own. The baseless assumptions you've made about me expose your bigotry.

    Now that you know better, you should stop supporting violence against trans women and you should stop making false accusations.

    If you are married to a male that male is gay and so are you.
    Why do you feel the need to dictate my sexual orientation to me when you are clearly lacking knowledge of the scientific and philosophical facts of this matter? Why not let me identify how I feel it is best to identify?

    Have a nice day, dude.
    As if there weren't enough evidence of your hate and bigotry, you had to edit your post to get in that last final poke in the eye. Was it really worth it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Smokey 1 View Post
    I was trying to be nice but since you insist on acting like a jerk all bets are off. I was going to ask you who the dude was in your avatar, I could tell it wasn't a real woman. You are what your DNA says you are. You may think you are a woman in your head but if your DNA is XY you are a male, period. A straight person has every right to be enraged if a transgender tricked them into an intimate situation and there is nothing wrong with their anger and revulsion after finding out the truth. You have no right to put a straight person in that situation. I don't generally support violence but a straight person has a right to defend themselves from a sexual assault just as anyone else does. I understand if someone reacted that way and if they did it would be the fault of the person who was deceiving them.

    If you are married to a male, guess what, that male is gay and so are you.

    Have a nice day, dude.
    Wow, what a rant! Straight person ... straight person .. straight person. Are there special rights only for straight people?
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    The only people who can justify this are the liberals and queers. I'm telling you people that this is the beginning of the end. God must be so sad to see this. I hope you're ready.

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    Jesus wept when he read your post.

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    Quote Originally Posted by music_man View Post
    God must be so sad to see this.
    He'd have to exist first.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cameron View Post
    Jesus wept when he read your post.
    You obviously know nothing of Jesus or the bible.
    Last edited by Baltimatt; 02-26-2013 at 06:19 AM. Reason: Personal attack deleted

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    Quote Originally Posted by Amacada View Post
    He'd have to exist first.
    And you know what, I'm glad I live in a country where you can believe what you like. I don't deny my God. I'll pray for you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by music_man View Post
    You obviously know nothing of Jesus or the bible.
    Jesus is ashamed of you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kenect2 View Post
    Now that you know better, you should stop supporting violence against trans women and you should stop making false accusations.
    I don't support violence against anyone except where it is warranted and I am not making any "false accusations". Misrepresenting your gender in an intimate relationship is a sexual assault and you believe you and those like you have a right to do that. No one has the right to sexually assault anyone.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Baltimatt View Post
    Wow, what a rant! Straight person ... straight person .. straight person. Are there special rights only for straight people?
    Not special but just like everyone else straight people have a right not to be sexually assaulted.

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    Sexual assault? Smokey, please.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cameron View Post
    Jesus is ashamed of you.
    You speak for Jesus now?

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    Quote Originally Posted by music_man View Post
    The only people who can justify this are the liberals and queers. I'm telling you people that this is the beginning of the end. God must be so sad to see this. I hope you're ready.
    Matthew 19:12

    New Revised Standard Version Catholic Edition (NRSVCE)

    12 For there are eunuchs who have been so from birth, and there are eunuchs who have been made eunuchs by others, and there are eunuchs who have made themselves eunuchs for the sake of the kingdom of heaven. Let anyone accept this who can.”

    Looks like Jesus says you should accept transgender people.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Smokey 1 View Post
    I don't support violence against anyone except where it is warranted and I am not making any "false accusations". Misrepresenting your gender in an intimate relationship is a sexual assault and you believe you and those like you have a right to do that. No one has the right to sexually assault anyone.
    A trans woman is a woman. You appear to remain confused about this fact despite the scientific evidence I have presented to you. I'd like to help you understand better, but I get the feeling you're not really all that interested in understanding the facts. Let me know if you'd like to have a discussion instead of trying to dictate.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Smokey 1 View Post
    Misrepresenting your gender in an intimate relationship is a sexual assault...
    And that right there is where you completely jumped the shark.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kenect2 View Post
    A trans woman is a woman. You appear to remain confused about this fact despite the scientific evidence I have presented to you. I'd like to help you understand better, but I get the feeling you're not really all that interested in understanding the facts. Let me know if you'd like to have a discussion instead of trying to dictate.
    I might be conducive to a discussion if you could refrain from the personal attacks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Astute Reader(tm) View Post
    And that right there is where you completely jumped the shark.
    That is my opinion based on how I would feel if someone told me after the fact that they were born the same sex as me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Smokey 1 View Post
    That is my opinion based on how I would feel if someone told me after the fact that they were born the same sex as me.
    Per Kenect's reasoning just because someone was born with a penis doesn't mean they're the same sex as you are.


    I believe that to be true scientifically but pragmatically... most people aren't going to see it that way. I don't know how I feel personally. I ust hope I'm never in that situation...

    Anyway for the sake of the conversation, which I find totally interesting. I just want to make sure everyone's on the same page...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kenect2 View Post
    I described your behavior as bullying behavior. I did not accuse you of bullying anyone since we were talking about an imaginary person. Your pretending to be a victim is indeed a bit ridiculous.
    I was responding to your psychoanalysis of me in post #236 which I found to be rather absurd. I offered an opinion. An opinion and "bullying behavior" have nothing to do with one another.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Smokey 1 View Post
    I read the document several times. No the anger would come from the idea that a person was tricked another into a "same sex" relationship. Most if not all straight males find the idea of intimacy with another male to be disgusting and no matter what a person might have cut off they would still be considered a male in their eyes.
    'Tricked'? Please.

    The cues are there,you just have to take the time to get to know someone to see them.

    If you were 'tricked' it was because you were going for a quick pickup.


    I know getting to know someone before jumping into bed with them is quaint and old fashioned these days, but it helps avoid all sorts of nasty suprises.

    Like:
    What do you mean you are three times divorced, have 4 kids, are 5 years behing on child support, and have multiple restraining orders on you??

    Your married?

    ect.


    -Cynic

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