Do You Think the Mimimum Wage Should Be Raised To $9.00 ?

[Sprightly]

And when answered then what?

What's the answer?

[dialtone]

What's the answer?

That's the best they can do, and they do it well. Honest, hard working.

[Sprightly]

That's the best they can do.

Really? That's the best? After a couple of years experience they are not able to find a job earning more per hour? They could not have taken classes in improve their chances? After 10 years that's the best they can do? Okay.

My grandmother was a "char woman" for her entire life. Even she left jobs for better paying ones. Nope. I don't buy what you're trying to sell. The majority of people could do better for themselves if they so chose.

[Sprightly]

You only think that because you're looking at your income from a personal or micro~economic level. You might feel feel better about it if you view it from an macro~economic level for your particular industry or area. Oh ~ and we should ignore your claim that your income has remained the same for the past several years because it's only anecdotal, and therefore not to be taken as an intellectually honest statement based on assumption, let alone a concern for you or anyone else. So your story doesn't matter, nor does mine, I'm sad to say. We may just be whining victims as opposed to whatever more robust competitors we have.

I learned a long time ago to live within my means. I recently paid off my car. I feel like I received a raise now that I have that money in my bank account every month!

[Sprightly]

That's the best they can do, and they do it well. Honest, hard working.

People who earn more than minimum wage are honest and hard working. You don't give those up as your income increases. You have very low expectations of people.

[dialtone]

Really? That's the best? After a couple of years experience they are not able to find a job earning more per hour? They could not have taken classes in improve their chances? After 10 years that's the best they can do? Okay.

My grandmother was a "char woman" for her entire life. Even she left jobs for better paying ones. Nope. I don't buy what you're trying to sell. The majority of people could do better for themselves if they so chose.

If you say so.

[Sprightly]

If you say so.

I do say so. Most people actually want better and only need a helping hand.

[dialtone]

People who earn more than minimum wage are honest and hard working. You don't give those up as your income increases. You have very low expectations of people.

I know that, there are people in all income brackets that are hard working. I don't have low expectations. I believe that everyone has different abilities. I believe that there are people that make minimum wage that could do better, but I think they would need assistance. Not necessarily financial, but guidance. That's why I asked and then what. Would you just look at them with a raised eyebrow or provide some kind of information and encouragement on how they could do better. I don't mean just, hey you can do better and you need to do it, with a judgemental stare.
I actually have high expectations of people, but it's more in the line of character, not money making ability.

[dialtone]

You only think that because you're looking at your income from a personal or micro~economic level. You might feel feel better about it if you view it from an macro~economic level for your particular industry or area. Oh ~ and we should ignore your claim that your income has remained the same for the past several years because it's only anecdotal, and therefore not to be taken as an intellectually honest statement based on assumption, let alone a concern for you or anyone else. So your story doesn't matter, nor does mine, I'm sad to say. We may just be whining victims as opposed to whatever more robust competitors we have.

Everyone has a story, and they all should matter, but first we have to Really listen.

[dialtone]

I do say so. Most people actually want better and only need a helping hand.

I agree, so then they wouldn't make minimum wage for 10 years, but are the helping hands really available??

[Sprightly]

I do say so. Most people actually want better and only need a helping hand.

I agree, so then they wouldn't make minimum wage for 10 years, but are the helping hands really available??

I believe that there are programs available to help people help themselves. Some people just need the guidance.

In answer to your question, yes, I've guided people. However, I cannot force anyone. That will to change comes from within. Simply throwing money at a problem has never worked, isn't working now and will never work.

[dialtone]

I believe that there are programs available to help people help themselves. Some people just need the guidance.

In answer to your question, yes, I've guided people. However, I cannot force anyone. That will to change comes from within. Simply throwing money at a problem has never worked, isn't working now and will never work.

I agree, what I don't agree with is that most people if given helpful guidance would prefer to make less money.

[EmDot]

Whatever someone is willing to pay and whatever someone is willing to work for.

The minimum wage should be low as to provide an incentive to improve.

The last thing we need is more folks thinking they need to rely on government to make things 'right'.

As a nation we need to encourage self sufficiency and a desire to self improve.

People with the skills necessary to improve don't need below poverty level wages as an incentive.

The employer offers, the employee accepts.

They can say yes or no, they are not helpless victims.

But that leaves a problem for the hordes of kids that made a bad start with public education. They have already been pre-programmed to be victims.

What are we going to do with them?

Why the slam on public education? Hordes of kids with a public education do very well.

[workerbee]

When people don't earn enough to eat we give them food stamps and the tax man pays for them.

So now there are two incentives to improve ones self.

[ms maggie]

You only think that because you're looking at your income from a personal or micro~economic level. You might feel feel better about it if you view it from an macro~economic level for your particular industry or area. Oh ~ and we should ignore your claim that your income has remained the same for the past several years because it's only anecdotal, and therefore not to be taken as an intellectually honest statement based on assumption, let alone a concern for you or anyone else. So your story doesn't matter, nor does mine, I'm sad to say. We may just be whining victims as opposed to whatever more robust competitors we have.

Well everyone's story matters. But to extrapolate one's personal experience to the entire population? Seems rather silly, wouldn't you say?

My niece and her husband and my sister just bought new homes. Guess that means the real estate market is back, right?

Myopic to say the least.

[Cameron]

When these kids grow up they can join you Leftists here and stroke each other all day and telling the rest of us how to live our lives.

If you people weren't so hellbent on telling us all what we can do or what we can't do, your party might have a smidge of credibility.

But ya don't.

GOP conservative social activism or GOP fiscal conservatism.

We don't believe you.

[georjec2]

The majority is not always correct.

Especially when you are among the minority.

Still I find and have to admit that rarely is the majority just flat out stupid. They may be mis-informed but not a clueless as say ...the 3 Stooges.

Can you give a contemporary example of when the majority was wrong ?

[BiggSeth]

1. didn't we just dance this dance before the 2006 election? Wasn't the minimum wage raised then amidst the flowery promises of a gold pooping unicorn in everyone's kitchen, better opportunities for minorities, the ability to put people to work, etc???

Where are we today on all those promises? did the democrats who pushed through the wage hike see all their lofty promises realized?

2. regardless of what the obama regime propoganda ministers say, we are in a full-blown recession. more people unemployed, underemployed and/or on some sort of public assistance than ever before in American history. raising the minimum wage will just add to those numbers.

3. if I own a business, I do a PNL statement at least once a month. I have fixed cost % amounts for things like utilities, rent, taxes, LABOR, etc. IF you raise my labor costs via Federally mandated wage hikes, I have to do 3 things:
a. raise my prices so my fixed costs stay in line
b. PRAY that my increase in prices will not cause a drop in sales
c. start evaluating my labor force to see who is actually "worth" keeping at the new hourly rate because layoffs are more than likely comming.

lastly, this red herring about corporate CEOs making a bazillion dollars on the backs of the working class is nonsense. 99% of those who will be forced to make tough choices are small businesses, who are operating on a small net profit %.

here's an idea instead....

How about the obama regime and the FED stop printing money and devaluing the currency, so that $7.25/hour goes furhter. How well would someone from 1950 be doing on $7.25/hour?

ever think of that librats????

[karlydee]

1. didn't we just dance this dance before the 2006 election? Wasn't the minimum wage raised then amidst the flowery promises of a gold pooping unicorn in everyone's kitchen, better opportunities for minorities, the ability to put people to work, etc???

Where are we today on all those promises? did the democrats who pushed through the wage hike see all their lofty promises realized?

2. regardless of what the obama regime propoganda ministers say, we are in a full-blown recession. more people unemployed, underemployed and/or on some sort of public assistance than ever before in American history. raising the minimum wage will just add to those numbers.

3. if I own a business, I do a PNL statement at least once a month. I have fixed cost % amounts for things like utilities, rent, taxes, LABOR, etc. IF you raise my labor costs via Federally mandated wage hikes, I have to do 3 things:
a. raise my prices so my fixed costs stay in line
b. PRAY that my increase in prices will not cause a drop in sales
c. start evaluating my labor force to see who is actually "worth" keeping at the new hourly rate because layoffs are more than likely comming.

lastly, this red herring about corporate CEOs making a bazillion dollars on the backs of the working class is nonsense. 99% of those who will be forced to make tough choices are small businesses, who are operating on a small net profit %.

here's an idea instead....

How about the obama regime and the FED stop printing money and devaluing the currency, so that $7.25/hour goes furhter. How well would someone from 1950 be doing on $7.25/hour?

ever think of that librats????

1. No it was raised in 2007 2008 and 2009.
2. Vermont has a minimumm wage of 8.60 yet is at 5.1% unemployment
3. you left out hiring a salesperson and more workers to meet the increased demand for your products now that people can afford them.

[georjec2]

1. didn't we just dance this dance before the 2006 election? Wasn't the minimum wage raised then amidst the flowery promises of a gold pooping unicorn in everyone's kitchen, better opportunities for minorities, the ability to put people to work, etc???

Where are we today on all those promises? did the democrats who pushed through the wage hike see all their lofty promises realized?

2. regardless of what the obama regime propoganda ministers say, we are in a full-blown recession. more people unemployed, underemployed and/or on some sort of public assistance than ever before in American history. raising the minimum wage will just add to those numbers.

3. if I own a business, I do a PNL statement at least once a month. I have fixed cost % amounts for things like utilities, rent, taxes, LABOR, etc. IF you raise my labor costs via Federally mandated wage hikes, I have to do 3 things:
a. raise my prices so my fixed costs stay in line
b. PRAY that my increase in prices will not cause a drop in sales
c. start evaluating my labor force to see who is actually "worth" keeping at the new hourly rate because layoffs are more than likely comming.

lastly, this red herring about corporate CEOs making a bazillion dollars on the backs of the working class is nonsense. 99% of those who will be forced to make tough choices are small businesses, who are operating on a small net profit %.

here's an idea instead....

How about the obama regime and the FED stop printing money and devaluing the currency, so that $7.25/hour goes furhter. How well would someone from 1950 be doing on $7.25/hour?

ever think of that librats????

Librats ?

Republicons remember, if they disagree with what you're saying call them names and quote unproven solutions. That'll throw em off.

Nothing you have said above has reduced the # of people receiving food stamps.

Does the "Obama regime" include the majority of American citizens who re-elected him into office. Does it include the Republican governors who have now latched onto Obamacare ?