Do You Think the Mimimum Wage Should Be Raised To $9.00 ?

[Dryfire]

If the minimum wage is increased, all associated cost do the same. If an employer has to give the minimum wage earner a raise the cost of his product will be raised accordingly. The store or business owner isn't going to take the hit for the additional wages he has to pay out. We will and that includes the minimum wage worker. e.i. The dollar menu at Mickey D's will be the dollar twenty five menu.

[Calamari]

Not necessarily.


10 Things Minimum Wage Haters Don't Want To Admit
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/0...#slide=2125611

Rest of the slideshow is pretty good too.

[cprenegade]

Not necessarily.


10 Things Minimum Wage Haters Don't Want To Admit
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/0...#slide=2125611

Rest of the slideshow is pretty good too.

From the slideshow:

A number of studies have found that raising the minimum wage does not reduce total employment by a meaningful amount.

So it does reduce total employment, just not by a "meaningful" amount. What does "a meaningful amount" mean? I suppose those that are part of the reduction will feel better knowing they are not part of the meaningful amount.

The minimum wage has kept teens in high school longer by reducing the number of low-wage jobs available to them, according to one study.

Again, a reduction in jobs. Something that supposedly does not happen according to those who support the increase in the minimum wage. It's amazing how #3 says there is no meaningful reduction in jobs while #4 stresses that a reduction in jobs is a good thing.


The erosion of the minimum wage has contributed to growth in U.S. obesity by making fast food cheaper and more popular, according to one study. Meanwhile, healthy food has become more expensive.

This was actually one of my favorites. So lower minimum wages have led to people abusing their bodies by overindulging in fast food. That's a serious reach. If you lowered the price of rat poison to pennies would there be an epidemic of people dying from rat poisoning?

Good slide show, very week on actual facts and statistics to back up it's assumptions.

[Calamari]

How so? Facts and statistics and studies were provided, and you dismissed them summarily.

[cprenegade]

How so? Facts and statistics and studies were provided, and you dismissed them summarily.

Saying "according to one study", or "according to two studies" without providing links and verification is not my idea of statistics being provided. If FOX news had done that slide show, you would have felt the same way. Show me the studies and facts that proved this. Especially the one that ties lower minimum wage to more obesity. That one I am really interested in.

[Calamari]

This just proves what I said, unfortunately. Contrary to your claim, they did provide links to studies. It's apparent that you did not even read it before dismissing it arbitrarily.

[cprenegade]

This just proves what I said, unfortunately. Contrary to your claim, they did provide links to studies. It's apparent that you did not even read it before dismissing it arbitrarily.

Although our analysis does not support
a direct test of the hypothesis that a decline in the minimum wage could affect obesity by
increasing the consumption of fast food, we complement this analysis in our discussion
by calibrating them against the results of other studies that have examined how declines
in the minimum wage would translated into lower prices for food away from
home16 , 17 , 18 , 19 and how increased consumption of food away from home would
increase obesity.20

No, I read it. I just find it to be quoting ONE study that obviously had an agenda with no real desire to find the truth. They made a correlation between increased fast food consumption and only one other factor, the one they wished to tie it to. They failed to take any other factors into consideration. They formed an opinion and admitted that it was not a direct test.

[WKDWZD]

Businesses should decide how much they want to pay their employees.

Sometimes Mom, when reading your thoughts, I picture Turkeys voting for Thanksgiving.

[WKDWZD]

Should someone who bags groceries get $9.00 an hour?

Why not, he probably puts more solid work into a day than many sitting in their cubicles who post on the internet 20%, gossip 30%, twiddletheir thumbs 20% and actually do real work for 30% of their time.

[demopublican]

Why not, he probably puts more solid work into a day than many sitting in their cubicles who post on the internet 20%, gossip 30%, twiddletheir thumbs 20% and actually do real work for 30% of their time.

It is not about work or effort. It is about value.
Every day when you go to work an employee needs to bring value to the employer.

[WKDWZD]

It is not about work or effort. It is about value.
Every day when you go to work an employee needs to bring value to the employer.

If it's about value, why would some people on here think it okay to tip someone 20-30% for doing the job that they are paid to do but then think that someone else who bags-up for them isn't worth $9.00 per hour?

Does the bagger not bring value to his employer?

[octoburn]

Why not, he probably puts more solid work into a day than many sitting in their cubicles who post on the internet 20%, gossip 30%, twiddletheir thumbs 20% and actually do real work for 30% of their time.

If they're government workers, you're probably right. Their employment isn't dependent upon a profit~derived revenue flow or a consumer~driven competitive market.

[demopublican]

If it's about value, why would some people on here think it okay to tip someone 20-30% for doing the job that they are paid to do but then think that someone else who bags-up for them isn't worth $9.00 per hour?

Does the bagger not bring value to his employer?

Waiters and waitresses bring more value and are do not get minimum wage.

The bagger may bring value but if the minimum wage is increased beyond that value the job will be eliminated.

[WKDWZD]

Waiters and waitresses bring more value and are do not get minimum wage.

That is your opinion, and one that I do not share, although, to be fair, we don't have grocery baggers over here.

[demopublican]

Go drop $250 for dinner at an high end restaurant with a crappy waiter and get back to me.

[octoburn]

Waiters and waitresses bring more value and are do not get minimum wage.

And it's unfortunate that the best servers often have to pool their tips to be shared with other servers who do not provide the same level or quality of service.

[Mom49of4]

I believe employers should be able to set the standards for what they want to pay their employees.

[octoburn]

Waiters and waitresses bring more value and are do not get minimum wage.

The bagger may bring value but if the minimum wage is increased beyond that value the job will be eliminated.

Just as Wal~Mart is phasing out greeters. But that probably opens the door to the myth that Wal~Mart competes against "mom and pop" stores rather than the reality that they actually compete against other chain stores.

[georjec2]

Perhaps you should work to change my opinion.

When people don't earn enough to eat we give them food stamps and the tax man pays for them.

[Mom49of4]

When people don't earn enough to eat we give them food stamps and the tax man pays for them.

A part timer as a courtesy clerk will never make enough to buy a home or feed a family. Those are generally jobs for teens or someone wanting extra money.