US Supreme Court to take up same-sex marriage issue

[veritas]

I'm glad we see eye to eye on who you and yours stand with.

No, the point is that you have no point. You only brought up WBC to sensationalize the discussion. I never figured you were on the squid's level but I guess I was wrong.

[Baltimatt]

Rationale of Prop 8 supporters

Marriage should be limited to unions of a man and a woman because they alone can "produce unplanned and unintended offspring," opponents of gay marriage have told the Supreme Court. By contrast, when same-sex couples decide to have children, "substantial advance planning is required," said Paul D. Clement, a lawyer for House Republicans.

This unusual defense of traditional marriage was set out last week in a pair of opening legal briefs in the two gay marriage cases to be decided by the Supreme Court this spring. Lawyers defending California's Proposition 8 and the federal Defense of Marriage Act want the high court to decide it is reasonable for the law to recognize only marriages between opposite-sex couples.

Are these people insane? Marriage should be reserved for opposite-sex couples because of Oops! babies?

What actually does marriage do for Oops! babies that it doesn't do for planned babies of either opposite-sex or same-sex couples?

If this is the best they can do, Proposition 8 doesn't stand a chance.

[SalisburySage]

Yes. They are insane. If I were on the Court and heard that argument I'd laugh in their faces. Seriously. I don't think Prop 8 has a chance anyway. Too bad the Court even decided to hear the case. They shoud have let stand the ower court rulingthat Prop 8 is unconstitutional.

DOMA is another matter...I am not sure where the Court will go with that. Will Obama file an amicus brief to over turn DOMA?

[skeemer]

No, the point is that you have no point. You only brought up WBC to sensationalize the discussion. I never figured you were on the squid's level but I guess I was wrong.

My point is quite clear.

Didn't your parents ever teach you that you are the company you keep?

[veritas]

My point is quite clear.

Didn't your parents ever teach you that you are the company you keep?

I see. So, because WBC opposes gay marriage, I must, de-facto, take the opposite position or risk the moral tongue clucking of liberals. As I said, I really thought you were above this type of nonsense but it appears not.

[Baltimatt]

http://www.alliancedefendingfreedom....iage-Week1.pdf

Oh, wow, the Alliance Defending Freedom is launching 9 weeks of prayer before marriage goes "on trial."

Marriage is not on trial.

Each week they are urging people to pray for specific persons involved in this case. Week 1, Chuck Cooper, the attorney "protecting marriage"; Ted Olson, the attorney "opposing marriage"; and Sonia Sotomayor, Supreme Court Justice.

Pray God would bless and protect the justice, and the justice’s family

Some have pointed out that might be considered a veiled threat. Plus, Justice Sotomayor is divorced and childless. There is no wish for protection for Olson's family (his wife died in one of the 9/11 plane crashes, but he has since remarried). And Ted Olson is not opposing marriage; he supports marriage for same-sex and opposite-sex couples.

[SalisburySage]

The Obama administration on Friday urged the Supreme Court to strike down the Defense Of Marriage Act in a brief that calls the law unconstitutional because it violates "the fundamental guarantee of equal protection."

Solicitor General Donald Verrilli argues in the brief that Section 3 of the 1996 federal law prohibits the marriage of same-sex couples and should get the court's close scrutiny.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/0...6pLid%3D274344

I wonder what the Hispanic and Black Obama worshippers are going to say about this. My guess is that they'll blame George Bush.

I've been saying that the Law violates equal protection" for the last 13 yrs.
Many on this board argued with me that I was fos. Now we'll see.

[SalisburySage]

"This is, however, the rare case in which deference to the democratic process must give way to the fundamental constitutional command of equal treatment under law. Section 3 of DOMA targets the many gay and lesbian people legally married under state law for a harsh form of discrimination that bears no relation to their ability to contribute to society. ..."

[Baltimatt]

Sage--

If you consider this a miracle, then Obama has worked many in his tenure. Supporting DADT repeal, refusing to defend DOMA.

I see his unfortunate claim that he believed marriage was only between a man and a woman in 2008 as public pandering. Proponents of Proposition 8 used his claim to buttress their campaign, even though he said he was opposed to the California constitutional amendment.

If you think blacks and Hispanics are mortal enemies of SSM, you'd be wrong. Last November in Maryland, majority black Baltimore City supported SSM in referendum with about 58% of the vote, while it lost only slightly in majority black Prince George's County, maybe by a percentage point.

BTW, it seems you missed my adding to your thread about Jon Huntsman, who has now come out in favor of same-sex marriage.

[SalisburySage]

This does not belong combined with the old thread about the SUPREME COURT TAKING UP THIS ISSUE. THIS IS BIG NEWS NATIONAL NEWS. UNPORECEDENTED AND DESERVING OF ITS OWN THREAD.



The Obama administration on Friday urged the Supreme Court to strike down the Defense Of Marriage Act in a brief that calls the law unconstitutional because it violates "the fundamental guarantee of equal protection."

Solicitor General Donald Verrilli argues in the brief that Section 3 of the 1996 federal law prohibits the marriage of same-sex couples and should get the court's close scrutiny.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/0...6pLid%3D274344

I wonder what the Hispanic and Black Obama worshippers are going to say about this. My guess is that they'll blame George Bush.

I've been saying that the Law violates equal protection" for the last 13 yrs.
Many on this board argued with me that I was fos. Now we'll see.[/QUOTE]

[SalisburySage]

From the Obama brief:


"This is, however, the rare case in which deference to the democratic process must give way to the fundamental constitutional command of equal treatment under law. Section 3 of DOMA targets the many gay and lesbian people legally married under state law for a harsh form of discrimination that bears no relation to their ability to contribute to society. ..."

[Baltimatt]

Look, Sage, I'm on your side on this issue, but this is not exactly a major breakthrough given Obama's statement last year on his support for SSM and other actions throughout his tenure.

[SalisburySage]

Sage--

If you consider this a miracle, then Obama has worked many in his tenure. Supporting DADT repeal, refusing to defend DOMA.

I see his unfortunate claim that he believed marriage was only between a man and a woman in 2008 as public pandering. Proponents of Proposition 8 used his claim to buttress their campaign, even though he said he was opposed to the California constitutional amendment.

If you think blacks and Hispanics are mortal enemies of SSM, you'd be wrong. Last November in Maryland, majority black Baltimore City supported SSM in referendum with about 58% of the vote, while it lost only slightly in majority black Prince George's County, maybe by a percentage point.

BTW, it seems you missed my adding to your thread about Jon Huntsman, who has now come out in favor of same-sex marriage.

If you can't see how this is more significant then anything else Obama has done and that it deserves its own thread I can only conclude that your education was severely lacking.

[Cameron]

I see his unfortunate claim that he believed marriage was only between a man and a woman in 2008 as public pandering. Proponents of Proposition 8 used his claim to buttress their campaign, even though he said he was opposed to the California constitutional amendment.

Not agreeing or disagreeing, but did any candidate in 2008 support same sex marriage?

[Cameron]

If you can't see how this is more significant then anything else Obama has done and that it deserves its own thread I can only conclude that your education was severely lacking.

Obama has taken the position for quite some time that DOMA is unconstitutional and has refused to enforce it.

This is not news.

[SalisburySage]

Obama has taken the position for quite some time that DOMA is unconstitutional and has refused to enforce it.

This is not news.

In the world of politics and law you couldn't be more wrong. What's is "quite some time". In 2008 he was against gay marriage.

[Cameron]

In the world of politics and law you couldn't be more wrong. What's is "quite some time". In 2008 he was against gay marriage.

Two years ago:

Obama Administration decision to not defend Defense of Marriage Act will trigger heated political battle

In a decision described as "shocking" and "breathtaking," the Obama administration announced this afternoon that the Justice Department will no longer defend the Defense of Marriage Act, a federal law that defines marriage as a union between a man and a woman.

The highly unusual move hands gay rights advocates a major victory they have worked years to secure--but is also certain to provoke intense controversy and trigger a heated political battle with Congressional Republicans, who support the law and have refused to repeal it.

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504564_1...95-504564.html

[SalisburySage]

Two years ago:

Amazing that Obama took so long. I am glad he finally saw the light but it just goes to show you that politicians lie to get elected.

[Cameron]

Gary Johnson of the Libertarian Party and Jill Stein of the Green Party off the top of my head.

I actually voted for one of those people in 2012, but she was not the Green's candidate in 2008.

In any event, I wasn't referring to fringe candidacies.

I agree that the Greens and Libertarians support same sex marriage.

[Baltimatt]

Not agreeing or disagreeing, but did any candidate in 2008 support same sex marriage?

The Green party supported SSM in 2008.

http://www.ontheissues.org/Green_Party.htm

Republicans and Democrats? Highly unlikely.