You see, RG3 hasn't earned anything. All he has is people like you praising him. Sooner or later he has to earn his reputation or he could be the next Heath Schuler.
Vince Young won the ROTY in 2006. Now he is lucky to get a backup role in the NFL.
In other words, winning the ROTY is not a guarantee for future success or stardom. Here's a list of offensive and defensive ROTY winners throughout the years. Many of these players never saw the Super Bowl.
the ranking doesn't jump from "average" to "elite".Originally Posted by HAIL2BNG
"and I know an average QB with a nice deep ball when I see one. Congrats, you don't need an elite QB to win it all. Your team proved that."
In between those two are "good", "very good" and "great".
I've said to others (not here) that I knew after Joe's first four or five games that he was the QB we've been looking for.
His O-line needed major upgrading from "below average" and he needed more help around him. I think after this playoff run my p.o.v. was vindicated.
The past two seasons when others wanted to say he wasn't "elite" or he was average...I've always said that Joe was probably around 7th-9th best in the league behind Brady, P Manning, Brees, Rodgers, Roethlisberger, E. Manning..and one could argue that the M Ryan's, P Rivers are in the mix.
Robert Griffin, if he recovers and can be healthy is now in the back half of the conversation.
After this playoff run and SB win I see Joe in the number 5 or 6 spot.
"Elite" isn't a consideration.
"Great"? Maybe one day.
"Very good"? Absolutely!!
McKinnie is a tough nut to crack.
There's a reason Minnesota didn't want him and it showed here.
He's undisciplined and he's not a self motivated...and doesn't respond well when challenged.
It's my feeling that being in Harbaugh's dog house all year and not playing that he "had a lot to prove" and with the "dangling carrot" of the playoffs...he was motivated and inspired at the right time.
After his possible satisfaction of his stepping up and being a big part of the "improved" O-Line for the post season and winning a ring..I'm not so sure how that translates heading into next season. Will he be motivated to perform well and consistent over the grind of 16 games?
He reminds me of Gaither.
I also worry as I always have about our )-line.
I think it's dangerous for anyone to think we are ok there or are "set".
I'd like to see improvement there as well as depth.
I thought in Joe's first year the O-line was below average.
In his second year I though O-line play improved slightly to average.
Since then I thought the O-line slightly regressed exponentially each season.
I big on winning in the trenches and having the ability to surge in short yardage situations and the red zone and controlling the clock in the second half.
I think that having that ability goes a long way toward demoralizing the opposing defense.
It's a great advantage that also covers up inefficiencies on your defense.
Thats how I see it.Originally Posted by OriginalColtsFan
I saw Joe as very good prior to this year. And that coincides with the analysis of Greg Cosell. Now, I'd say he's very very good, and that greatness awaits him.
The past few years being between 7-9 imo he was very good and now 5-6 he's very still good or very very if you like.
I've gotten so I hate the "e-word". :roll eyes:
As far as the O-line goes...I honestly thought it was the best in Joe's first year. That's when they had Brown at center, Yanda at guard, Gaither at LT, Big Willie Anderson at RT, and Grubbs at guard. Since then it's been a total crap shoot. They have to get that thing settled once and for all. I think Osemele is a step in the right direction. But if I ever see Michael Oher lining up at LT again I'm just gonna scream.
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