Learn from Tom Brady

[Peej7245]

Flacco agent will destroy what the ravens have build in the last twenty years...

It would be a nice trick since the Ravens have been in existence for only 16 years.

[Peej7245]

You're not remotely objective if you think Flacco is the only reason you guys win. If your front office agrees, you're screwed for years to come.

People like you have been saying that, since Flacco came into the league, the Ravens will never reach the top (oops! Can't say that any more.), never be a consistently elite team (5 straight years with at least one playoff win, 3 AFCC appearances all on the road, etc.)

[NCBirdfan]

And 100% he's better than Elite Joe, the Tom Brady of Baltimore minus the hall of fame talent.

Then again, he could be a one-year wonder. 100%? Nothing is 100%, except maybe Jerry Jones blaming every one but himself, 100% of the time.

You see, RG3 hasn't earned anything. All he has is people like you praising him. Sooner or later he has to earn his reputation or he could be the next Heath Schuler.

[OriginalColtsFan]

Then again, he could be a one-year wonder. 100%? Nothing is 100%, except maybe Jerry Jones blaming every one but himself, 100% of the time.

You see, RG3 hasn't earned anything. All he has is people like you praising him. Sooner or later he has to earn his reputation or he could be the next Heath Schuler.

Technically, he didn't even qualify for being a 1 year wonder. More like a 14/16 year wonder.

[HAIL2BNG]

People like you have been saying that, since Flacco came into the league, the Ravens will never reach the top (oops! Can't say that any more.), never be a consistently elite team (5 straight years with at least one playoff win, 3 AFCC appearances all on the road, etc.)

That doesn't mean Flacco is the reason you win. Like I have said, if your front office pays him as if he is Brady or Brees, you're screwed.

[HAIL2BNG]

Then again, he could be a one-year wonder. 100%? Nothing is 100%, except maybe Jerry Jones blaming every one but himself, 100% of the time.

You see, RG3 hasn't earned anything. All he has is people like you praising him. Sooner or later he has to earn his reputation or he could be the next Heath Schuler.

Heath Schuler wasn't rookie of the year. He's earned his reputation by winning and playing well.

[OriginalColtsFan]

Heath Schuler wasn't rookie of the year. He's earned his reputation by winning and playing well.

Okay...here's a serious question. (I pretty much know the answer, but I don't want to be presumptuous or anything.) Do you HONESTLY see the Washington Redskins winning the Super Bowl IN YOUR LIFETIME?

[HAIL2BNG]

Okay...here's a serious question. (I pretty much know the answer, but I don't want to be presumptuous or anything.) Do you HONESTLY see the Washington Redskins winning the Super Bowl IN YOUR LIFETIME?

Of course. I expect Griffin to win at least one. Look at the teams who have won lately? You don't need to be great. You just need to make the playoffs and catch a few breaks.

[NCBirdfan]

Heath Schuler wasn't rookie of the year. He's earned his reputation by winning and playing well.

Joe Charboneau played 131 games for the Cleveland Indians in 1980 and won the American League Rookie of the Year award. He hit 23 home runs that year. He finished with 29 in his career.

Vince Young won the ROTY in 2006. Now he is lucky to get a backup role in the NFL.

In other words, winning the ROTY is not a guarantee for future success or stardom. Here's a list of offensive and defensive ROTY winners throughout the years. Many of these players never saw the Super Bowl.

[OriginalColtsFan]

Of course. I expect Griffin to win at least one. Look at the teams who have won lately? You don't need to be great. You just need to make the playoffs and catch a few breaks.

Well...I hope it happens at some point. Cuz nothin gives a town a boost quite like winnin a Super Bowl.

[OriginalColtsFan]

Joe Charboneau played 131 games for the Cleveland Indians in 1980 and won the American League Rookie of the Year award. He hit 23 home runs that year. He finished with 29 in his career.

Okay...now that right there is funny!

[durango46]

Of course. I expect Griffin to win at least one. Look at the teams who have won lately? You don't need to be great. You just need to make the playoffs and catch a few breaks.

So that's why the Ravens won the SB

I see you're trying your best to make even more Ravens fans hate on the Skins

[Marchetti]

Originally Posted by HAIL2BNG
"and I know an average QB with a nice deep ball when I see one. Congrats, you don't need an elite QB to win it all. Your team proved that."

the ranking doesn't jump from "average" to "elite".
In between those two are "good", "very good" and "great".

I've said to others (not here) that I knew after Joe's first four or five games that he was the QB we've been looking for.
His O-line needed major upgrading from "below average" and he needed more help around him. I think after this playoff run my p.o.v. was vindicated.

The past two seasons when others wanted to say he wasn't "elite" or he was average...I've always said that Joe was probably around 7th-9th best in the league behind Brady, P Manning, Brees, Rodgers, Roethlisberger, E. Manning..and one could argue that the M Ryan's, P Rivers are in the mix.
Robert Griffin, if he recovers and can be healthy is now in the back half of the conversation.

After this playoff run and SB win I see Joe in the number 5 or 6 spot.
"Elite" isn't a consideration.
"Great"? Maybe one day.
"Very good"? Absolutely!!

[OriginalColtsFan]

the ranking doesn't jump from "average" to "elite".
In between those two are "good", "very good" and "great".

I've said to others (not here) that I knew after Joe's first four or five games that he was the QB we've been looking for.
His O-line needed major upgrading from "below average" and he needed more help around him. I think after this playoff run my p.o.v. was vindicated.

The past two seasons when others wanted to say he wasn't "elite" or he was average...I've always said that Joe was probably around 7th-9th best in the league behind Brady, P Manning, Brees, Rodgers, Roethlisberger, E. Manning..and one could argue that the M Ryan's, P Rivers are in the mix.
Robert Griffin, if he recovers and can be healthy is now in the back half of the conversation.

After this playoff run and SB win I see Joe in the number 5 or 6 spot.
"Elite" isn't a consideration.
"Great"? Maybe one day.
"Very good"? Absolutely!!

I saw Joe as very good prior to this year. And that coincides with the analysis of Greg Cosell. Now, I'd say he's very very good, and that greatness awaits him. By the same token, football is still a team sport. The Ravens have some significant holes now: LT, C, MLB, SS, DE, TE, 3rd WR...to name the major ones. My belief is this: if the Ravens build around Joe, make the right off season moves (do NOT re-sign Ed Reed, restructure Ngata and Suggs' contracts, DO re-sign Ellerbe, consider re-signing McKinnie for the right price only, consider re-signing Boldin and Jones for the right price only, consider re-signing Pitta for the right price only, etc.) and draft well...the Ravens could arguably be at the top of the AFC North for many many years. But things have to come into clear focus in order for that to happen. If not, it's going to be a struggle. There's no room for error like with Kindle, etc. Build around McPhee and some of the better younger players on the D, and clean out some of the old dead wood.

[Marchetti]

McKinnie is a tough nut to crack.
There's a reason Minnesota didn't want him and it showed here.
He's undisciplined and he's not a self motivated...and doesn't respond well when challenged.

It's my feeling that being in Harbaugh's dog house all year and not playing that he "had a lot to prove" and with the "dangling carrot" of the playoffs...he was motivated and inspired at the right time.


After his possible satisfaction of his stepping up and being a big part of the "improved" O-Line for the post season and winning a ring..I'm not so sure how that translates heading into next season. Will he be motivated to perform well and consistent over the grind of 16 games?

He reminds me of Gaither.

[NCBirdfan]

Okay...now that right there is funny!

I was waiting for a long time for that special moment to pull his name in just to make a point.

[Marchetti]

I also worry as I always have about our )-line.
I think it's dangerous for anyone to think we are ok there or are "set".
I'd like to see improvement there as well as depth.

I thought in Joe's first year the O-line was below average.
In his second year I though O-line play improved slightly to average.
Since then I thought the O-line slightly regressed exponentially each season.

I big on winning in the trenches and having the ability to surge in short yardage situations and the red zone and controlling the clock in the second half.
I think that having that ability goes a long way toward demoralizing the opposing defense.
It's a great advantage that also covers up inefficiencies on your defense.

[Marchetti]

Originally Posted by OriginalColtsFan
I saw Joe as very good prior to this year. And that coincides with the analysis of Greg Cosell. Now, I'd say he's very very good, and that greatness awaits him.

Thats how I see it.
The past few years being between 7-9 imo he was very good and now 5-6 he's very still good or very very if you like.

I've gotten so I hate the "e-word". :roll eyes:

[OriginalColtsFan]

Thats how I see it.
The past few years being between 7-9 imo he was very good and now 5-6 he's very still good or very very if you like.

I've gotten so I hate the "e-word". :roll eyes:

Personally, I'm sick of hearing the "e" word.

As far as the O-line goes...I honestly thought it was the best in Joe's first year. That's when they had Brown at center, Yanda at guard, Gaither at LT, Big Willie Anderson at RT, and Grubbs at guard. Since then it's been a total crap shoot. They have to get that thing settled once and for all. I think Osemele is a step in the right direction. But if I ever see Michael Oher lining up at LT again I'm just gonna scream.

[bmore_ken]

I've gotten so I hate the "e-word". :roll eyes:

I said the same thing in another thread