"Sequestration" benefiting Our Undocumented Alien Friends

[Sprightly]

Are you kidding me ?

I don't rely on the US Constitution nor on the Founding Fathers for my legal opinion.

I let the neo-Nazis and KKK bylaws be my guide.

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Okay.

[Sprightly]

New story:

Gary Mead Retired, Did Not Resign, Immigration And Customs Enforcement Says

ASHINGTON -- Immigration and Customs Enforcement officials insisted on Wednesday that there was no connection between the retirement of Enforcement and Removal Operations Director Gary Mead and the release earlier this week of hundreds of undocumented immigrants from detention.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/0...tml?1362001623

[bmore_ken]

Uh huh

[Calamari]

Weird how the mods merged a story about the Repub's new position on the violence against women act but allow this duplicate thread about the sequester.

[pepper]

We don't have open borders.

Of course we do. If our borders are closed, as you imply, how do we have millions of illegal non-residents?

[pepper]

Well let me bring a few historical facts to your attention:

Prior to 1965 - before LBJ created the welfare state - we had open borders with Mexico - there was never a problem. Mexicans would come here , work for a few months and would go back home without a problem.

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And allow me to bring some historical points as well...

2013 is not the same as "prior to 1965".

[Contumacious]

And allow me to bring some historical points as well...

2013 is not the same as "prior to 1965".

Allow me to bring some other historical points

1) There were no Mexican American Legislators voting for LBJ's program;

2) We should not penalize them for what LBJ and Democrats did in order to acquire the parasitic vote

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[pepper]

Fair enough, Contumacious, point taken.


Either way, it's backfired, and now no one, not the White House or the head of Homeland Security is taking responsibility. It was a decision made by nameless "career employees".

"Detainee populations and how that is managed back and forth is really handled by career officials in the field," Napolitano said.

The release of hundreds of detainees is done without the top brass' knowledge? That seems odd given the hot button-ness of the issue. Who are these lower level employees and how can they possibly have the authority?

[Sprightly]

Shockingly, the number of released has be revised upward:

WASHINGTON — The Homeland Security Department released from its jails more than 2,000 undocumented immigrants facing deportation in recent weeks due to looming budget cuts and planned to release 3,000 more during March, The Associated Press has learned.

The newly disclosed figures, cited in internal budget documents reviewed by the AP, are significantly higher than the "few hundred" undocumented immigrants the Obama administration acknowledged this week had been released under the budget-savings process.

The government documents show that Immigrations and Customs Enforcement released roughly 1,000 undocumented immigrants from its jails around the U.S. each week since at least Feb. 15. The agency's field offices have reported more than 2,000 immigrants released before intense criticism this week led to a temporary shutdown of the plan, according to the documents.


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/0...n_2792216.html

Damn what bunch of lying liars.

[zenwalk]

Can't keep cutting and cutting and cutting and cutting without some consequence. It saddens me to inform you that there are no magic wands.

[pepper]

Can't keep cutting and cutting and cutting and cutting without some consequence. It saddens me to inform you that there are no magic wands.

No kidding. And you can't keep taxing and taxing and taxing, as if thats a magic wand....Austerity is coming. If this works as a wake up call, so be it. We've built a really unstable house of cards with our bloated, wasteful government ways.

The real story here is that we've released thousands of detainees, many of them felons,(returning after being deported is a felony) and neither the White House or even the person in charge will take credit for it. It seems unnamed lower level employees have an authority that neither the President of the head of Homeland Security are aware of.

Do you believe that? I don't think you do. That was Sprightly's point.

[Sprightly]

No kidding. And you can't keep taxing and taxing and taxing, as if thats a magic wand....Austerity is coming. If this works as a wake up call, so be it. We've built a really unstable house of cards with our bloated, wasteful government ways.

The real story here is that we've released thousands of detainees, many of them felons,(returning after being deported is a felony) and neither the White House or even the person in charge will take credit for it. It seems unnamed lower level employees have an authority that neither the President of the head of Homeland Security are aware of.

Do you believe that? I don't think you do. That was Sprightly's point.

Exactly.

"The White House has said it was not consulted about the releases, and Homeland Security Secretary Janet Napolitano has acknowledged they occurred in a manner she regrets."

And, again, the funding for these detention centers was already approved. Just something else that the mainstream media will mostly ignore. The reasons are obvious.

[zenwalk]

Then you begin to understand across the board cuts are not the way to go?

[Sprightly]

Then you begin to understand across the board cuts are not the way to go?

Then you continue to ignore the fact that funding was in place and was not being cut. And then you begin to wonder how low level employees are permitted to make such decisions with consulting with their superiors.

[zenwalk]

Then you continue to ignore the fact that funding was in place and was not being cut. And then you begin to wonder how low level employees are permitted to make such decisions with consulting with their superiors.

Across the board cuts have these kinds of results. The fact that these sorts of things are happening BEFORE the sequestration even begins should give you a clue.

[Sprightly]

Across the board cuts have these kinds of results. The fact that these sorts of things are happening BEFORE the sequestration even begins should give you a clue.

OMG Never mind. You are being deliberately obtuse.

[zenwalk]

OMG Never mind. You are being deliberately obtuse.

I was thinking the same thing only it wasn't me.

[Contumacious]

Then you continue to ignore the fact that funding was in place and was not being cut. And then you begin to wonder how low level employees are permitted to make such decisions with consulting with their superiors.

Again the sequestration hype is pure bullshiite.

99.9%, probably more, of what the federal government does is unconstitutional.

So actually the cuts do not go deep enough in order to just cover those acts Constitutionally mandated.

The Federal government has no authority whatsoever to interdict, detain and deport aliens......NONE.

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[bmore_ken]

You never run out Conty, do ya?

[Contumacious]

You never run out Conty, do ya?

Again the sequestration hype is pure bullshiite.

99.9%, probably more, of what the federal government does is unconstitutional.

So actually the cuts do not go deep enough in order to just cover those acts Constitutionally mandated.

The Federal government has no authority whatsoever to interdict, detain and deport aliens......NONE.