Parents of transgender first-grader file discrimination complaint

[Kenect2]

Anything that is perceived comes from the brain thus it is mental not physical. I'll admit I am no expert but going back to anatomy. Nowhere does it say in any anatomy books I read that a female can have a male body. Not even one sentence.

The brain is a physical organ which produces mental phenomena. If the brain is physically structured to produce the mental effect of identifying as a woman, then it is a physical effect which is causing the transgender state. And indeed, there is sufficient evidence that transgender is an 'intersex of the brain' condition caused by certain areas of the brain having female-typical architecture (see below).

Rather than picturing it as a "female with a male body" it's easier to think of it as a 'female with a female body and anomalous male genitalia.'

I mean no disrespect but I disagree with you. If you can show me an anatomy book that says that, then by all means do that. Or maybe some scientists that are not transgender advocates, etc.

Even better than an anatomy book, here is a short segment of a relevant Stanford lecture which discusses the points I've made here. "Dr. Sapolsky is a neuroscientist, professor of biology, neuroscience, and neurosurgery at Stanford University, researcher and author." To my knowledge he is not a transgender activist. His lecture series, including the full version of the clip below, can be found on youtube (and coursera?).

Gender Orientation: Intersex Conditions Within The Transsexual Brain

[Kenect2]

I guess they are bigots for thinking it may be best to wait out a 6 yo before allowing the parents to do any more damage to him.

Might want to read that bold part again. Only 12%. I guess that means that 88% went back to their "birth assigned" sex of male.

How bigoted.

And what does he say about about "the vast majority"? Read that part again as well.

Imagine that---the head of the Gender Identity Service in the Child, Youth, and Family Program, is a bigot.

Look who's back on the thread he has twice said he was done with! And nevermind ignoring all the scientific data posted on the thread so far - he's found something 'sciencey' which he thinks might support his bigotry!

Indeed, Zucker is a bigot. And his fake reparative therapy has no long term data to support his claims. Reparative therapy for transgender people is no better than any reparative therapy for homosexuals. What we should be expecting with Zucker's victims, if they haven't all killed themselves by now, is an outcome like that of David Reimer.

Professor Lynn Conway on Dr. Kenneth Zucker

Dr. Kenneth Zucker’s War on Transgenders

[Baltimatt]

I guess they are bigots for thinking it may be best to wait out a 6 yo before allowing the parents to do any more damage to him.



Might want to read that bold part again. Only 12%. I guess that means that 88% went back to their "birth assigned" sex of male.

How bigoted.

And what does he say about about "the vast majority"? Read that part again as well.

Imagine that---the head of the Gender Identity Service in the Child, Youth, and Family Program, is a bigot.

Jeebus--Do you have to be so dramatic (and was there a link with that)? That's the kind of information we need if there is a diversity of opinion among medical and mental health professionals.

[Baltimatt]

Jeebus--

OK, I see it was from a link I posted earlier.

http://www.cnn.com/2011/09/27/health/transgender-kids

[Jeebus]

Indeed, Zucker is a bigot.l]

Of course, just another person (a doctor in this case) who disagrees with you and you pull the "BIGOT!" card once again.

How....original.

Yes, your link from "queerly.com" convinces me thoroughly.



Back to your mental illness rantings.....

[Baltimatt]

I agree that links to Queerty.com and Narth.com may be suspect.

[Jeebus]

That's the kind of information we need if there is a diversity of opinion among medical and mental health professionals.

Yes, a shocker that Kenect will not acknowledge - imagine that, some disagreement about the best treatment for this little boy.

And just as was claimed earlier, Kenect immediately pulls the BIGOT! card in some vain narcissistic cry to discredit a medical doctor who disagrees with the proper treatment of this little boy.

[Kenect2]

Yes, a shocker that Kenect will not acknowledge - imagine that, some disagreement about the best treatment for this little boy.

And just as was claimed earlier, Kenect immediately pulls the BIGOT! card in some vain narcissistic cry to discredit a medical doctor who disagrees with the proper treatment of this little boy.

Where is the primary source of the claim that many transgender children revert to their assigned gender? Where is the actual science? All that was said in that CNN article was that transgender kids should not be given blockers until their teens, which is debatable, but already common practice.

Dr. Zucker did admit to treating a percentage of his victims so he does admit that some children are transgender. Since gender identity doesn't actually change, the majority of children Zucker treated were successfully bullied and badgered into repressing their gender identity. Where are those victims now? How many have killed themselves? How many of them ended up transitioning anyway? To my knowledge, only Zucker knows where they are because he's the only one with access to the patient's private information and he's never published any long term follow up studies on his victims.

Dr. Zucker appears to be following in the footsteps of John Money with his abuse of transgender children. So it's no surprise that other transphobic bigots gravitate towards him. It's sadly typical for one bigot to find one other bigot who agrees with him and then pretend as if the whole rest of the world doesn't exist anymore. Where are the arguments dealing with the established physical facts of the matter?

And most important - where are the long term follow-up studies on Zucker's patients?

[Kenect2]

That's the kind of information we need if there is a diversity of opinion among medical and mental health professionals.

Zucker is basically the NARTH of transgender "treatment." He's a rogue.

[kudzu]

You're delusional if you think you've laid a glove on Kenect2 in terms of argument.

What would you call someone who ignores science and other fact and continues to repeat the same unfounded claims simply because the subject deals with something of which you don't approve?

What in the world makes you think that "if he's got a penis, then . . . " is anything other than a middle-school playground retort?

You get called a bigot because that's what you are -- it has nothing to do with disagreement.

I know more science than you and Kenect combined. Times 10. You look up "science" in the dictionary and you'll find my picture there as a cultural reference.

The difference between me and you - I don't attempt to inject my subjective social views into actual science.

[kudzu]

Veritas--

"Turned upside down"? The clothed Coy is to outward appearances a girl.

I'm reminded of the ancient Greeks and ROmans who thought the Sun was a God.

It's not, btw.

The Sun is a star, and Coy is a Boy.

[slapshot]

I'm reminded of the ancient Greeks and ROmans who thought the Sun was a God.

It's not, btw.

The Sun is a star, and Coy is a Boy.

And you still believe you are Emporer of the Universe.

[kudzu]

And you still believe you are Emporer of the Universe.

That's infinately more accurate than "Coy is a girl".

I may be Emperer of the Universe some day.

But Coy will always be a Boy.

Irregardless of how much He wants to be a Girl.

[slapshot]

That's infinately more accurate than "Coy is a girl".

I may be Emperer of the Universe some day.

But Coy will always be a Boy.

Irregardless of how much He wants to be a Girl.

If you say so, Emporer.

[kudzu]

If you say so, Emporer.

That would correctly be ""Your Majesty".

[Sprightly]

That's infinately more accurate than "Coy is a girl".

I may be Emperer of the Universe some day.

But Coy will always be a Boy.

Irregardless of how much He wants to be a Girl.

"infinitely"

"Emperor"

"Regardless"

[Kenect2]

I know more science than you and Kenect combined. Times 10. You look up "science" in the dictionary and you'll find my picture there as a cultural reference.

The difference between me and you - I don't attempt to inject my subjective social views into actual science.

You bumped this thread to post that crap?

[kudzu]

"Emperor"

"Regardless"

Appreciate the effort, nonetheless.