Criminals against humanity at it again? HR 6257

[dsummoner]

Source:

Rep. Mark Kirk [R-IL]
Rep. Ileana Ros-Lehtinen [R-FL]
Rep. Michael Ferguson [R-NJ]
Rep. Christopher Shays [R-CT]
Rep. Michael Castle [R-DE]

Assault Weapons Ban Reauthorization Act of 2008 - Amends the federal criminal code to reinstate, for 10 years, the Public Safety and Recreational Firearms Use Protection Act's assault weapons ban to prohibit the manufacture, transfer, or possession of a semiautomatic assault weapon or a large capacity ammunition feeding device. Specifies models and features of banned weapons.

[dsummoner]

Really?

I am kind of surprised. Five Republicans seeking to destroy the Bill of Rights and nothing?

[redleg]

Originally Posted by dsummoner

Really?

I am kind of surprised. Five Republicans seeking to destroy the Bill of Rights and nothing?

Look at where they hail from. They are Republicans, but not conservatives.

[dsummoner]

This is just galling. An anti-civil liberties President-elect. An anti-civil liberties Congressional majority. And, finally, an anti-civil liberties contingent of horse dung emulators from the Congressional minority.

[Wizard777]

Originally Posted by dsummoner

Really?

I am kind of surprised. Five Republicans seeking to destroy the Bill of Rights and nothing?

You know they want to pass this bill so they can say. Look what Obama has done! We told you HE would take your guns! Live in fear and vote Republican!

[ichy]

The Assault Weapons ban was a silly piece of legislation, but a crime against humanity? Hardly.

[captain bloodloss]

Originally Posted by Wizard777

You know they want to pass this bill so they can say. Look what Obama has done! We told you HE would take your guns! Live in fear and vote Republican!

Oh they didn't need to do that! Obama was just fine keeping people from defending themselves prior to the Supreme Court's DC decision. Then, as with so many of his positions, he just flipped flopped.

[dsummoner]

Originally Posted by ichy

The Assault Weapons ban was a silly piece of legislation, but a crime against humanity? Hardly.

It is only second when compared to the fiscal rape of big gub'met.

[ichy]

Originally Posted by dsummoner

It is only second when compared to the fiscal rape of big gub'met.

You know, there was an assault weapons ban in this country for ten years. It was dumb, but it certainly didn't leave me feeling like a concentration camp inmate either.

[MLArthur]

Originally Posted by Wizard777

You know they want to pass this bill so they can say. Look what Obama has done! We told you HE would take your guns! Live in fear and vote Republican!

That is what the bill sponsors are claiming basically IIRC.

[MLArthur]

Originally Posted by dsummoner

Really?

I am kind of surprised. Five Republicans seeking to destroy the Bill of Rights and nothing?

It is an unknown. When this bill came out five months ago the gun boards, which are mostly Republicans, were all abuzz. There was discussion that because of their districts they were anti gun Republicans, but then I think one of them did an interview claiming the bill was a ruse as a sort of challenge to the Democrats to go ahead and try to pass it before the upcoming election. However, they knew damn well that if Obama won the bill would still be in committee and might get passed after the election. I am suspicious of the bill sponsors.

This is what I think is the real purpose of the bill, it is in response to the McCarthy bill which does not have an "excluded" list of rifles like this one does. The McCarthy bill, which is much more likely to get through than theirs, bans ALL types and their copies on one list of which the list is similar to the 1994 ban, but with rifles added such as all versions of the Mini14, Hi Point carbine, all Saiga, and M1 carbine (WWII rifle). Also there is a clause making any semi auto rifleor shotgun based on a military rifle or shotgun, regardless of configuration, to be subject to a determination by the Secretary if it should be allowed. I think they support a ban, but they were trying to water it down a little.

[redleg]

Originally Posted by Wizard777

You know they want to pass this bill so they can say. Look what Obama has done! We told you HE would take your guns! Live in fear and vote Republican!

More like the Stockholm Syndrome early. They are trying to show the Leftists how "progressive" they are so mabe they will be allowed to drink from the same fountain.

[redleg]

Originally Posted by ichy

The Assault Weapons ban was a silly piece of legislation, but a crime against humanity? Hardly.

Oh? Why did we invade the Balkans, again? To stop mass killings? What's going on in most major American cities? Why? If the police are sufficient to protect us, why are there so many murders in each major city?

[redleg]

Originally Posted by ichy

You know, there was an assault weapons ban in this country for ten years. It was dumb, but it certainly didn't leave me feeling like a concentration camp inmate either.

That's because you have become complacent with government telling you what you can and can't do, or own or not own.

[ichy]

Originally Posted by redleg

That's because you have become complacent with government telling you what you can and can't do, or own or not own.

No, it's because I wasn't imprisoned, deported, starved, forced to perform heavy labor or killed in a gas chamber. As I've said many times before I am against the Assault Weapons Ban. Calling it a crime against humanity is just absurd hyperbole though, and makes gun rights supporters look like a bunch of unbalanced nuts.

[redleg]

Originally Posted by ichy

No, it's because I wasn't imprisoned, deported, starved, forced to perform heavy labor or killed in a gas chamber. As I've said many times before I am against the Assault Weapons Ban. Calling it a crime against humanity is just absurd hyperbole though, and makes gun rights supporters look like a bunch of unbalanced nuts.

It's required to balance the hysteria coming from the Left. Why go after a firearm that is used in almost no crimes? Because it sets up the populace for more draconian laws, since it won't affect crime one way or the other. It's the boiling frog analogy. In addition, if they can get away with blatantly illegal actions like this, with a fairly neutral SCOTUS, what will they get away with when Obama is able to stack the court with Marxists?

[dsummoner]

Originally Posted by ichy

No, it's because I wasn't imprisoned, deported, starved, forced to perform heavy labor or killed in a gas chamber. As I've said many times before I am against the Assault Weapons Ban. Calling it a crime against humanity is just absurd hyperbole though, and makes gun rights supporters look like a bunch of unbalanced nuts.

Hyperbole? Of course it isn't. I can understand if you don't particularly care about government trampling your rights underfoot, but some of us do care about having our rights trampled. The only nuts on the civil rights violating douchebag scum such as the five listed in the initiating post on this thread.

[redleg]

Originally Posted by dsummoner

Hyperbole? Of course it isn't. I can understand if you don't particularly care about government trampling your rights underfoot, but some of us do care about having our rights trampled. The only nuts on the civil rights violating douchebag scum such as the five listed in the initiating post on this thread.

Perhaps you can help me D. I read the bill, and it looks like they are adding every rifle from Sharps to Henrys to single shot .22s to the ban. Am I reading that right? In addition, they are making it retroactive, since the language in the bill outlaws any hc mags made since '94, any of the ugly weapons made since '94, and any with the terrifying traits that give Congresscritters nightmares.

[MLArthur]

Originally Posted by redleg

Perhaps you can help me D. I read the bill, and it looks like they are adding every rifle from Sharps to Henrys to single shot .22s to the ban. Am I reading that right? In addition, they are making it retroactive, since the language in the bill outlaws any hc mags made since '94, any of the ugly weapons made since '94, and any with the terrifying traits that give Congresscritters nightmares.

The guns you listed are in the Appendix of weapons excluded. It is a ruse that was also int he original ban to make it look like they were protecting "hunting" rifles, but the sad part is they pad the numbers of guns on the list with bolt or lever action rifles that were excluded from the ban anyway. They do so to make the list look more impressive, but it is deceit.

The McArthy bill doesn't have such a list and even broadens the definition to possibly include almost every semi auto hunting rifle ever made.