Attack at Ft. Hood

[aped]

Originally Posted by Captain Jack Sparrow

The Countess has much more than an idea and much more common sense than those of you who are condemning an entire religion.

The "religion" has clear and concise statements on how non believers are to be dealt with. Why do you find that so hard to grasp? Why can't your brain process that wherever Islam exists in Non-Muslim countries the blood of the innocents flows.

This is not a coincidence and I refuse to be a victim of liberal immigration policies that allows these people into the country so they can produce American born terrorists.

[BryanInMaryland]

So says the Fort Hood shooter....... Who also said the War On Terror is a war on Islam. Now what if a percentage of Muslims feel this way besides this guy? 10%? 20%? 30%? More? I do realize that plenty of people want to believe that your average Muslim is just like you......just wanting to live quietly........work quietly.......pray quietly........ But again, what if your wonderful world is not entirely as wonderful as you really want to believe? I do realize this concept is alien to the entire way of thinking of some people. But history does not look kindly on those folks who really wanted to believe in their hearts that there was good in the people that only wanted to destroy them (best example I can think of: "Peace In Our Time" Neville Chamberlain on Adolph Hitler).

[PoconoJoe]

Originally Posted by BryanInMaryland

So says the Fort Hood shooter....... Who also said the War On Terror is a war on Islam. Now what if a percentage of Muslims feel this way besides this guy? 10%? 20%? 30%? More? I do realize that plenty of people want to believe that your average Muslim is just like you......just wanting to live quietly........work quietly.......pray quietly........ But again, what if your wonderful world is not entirely as wonderful as you really want to believe? I do realize this concept is alien to the entire way of thinking of some people. But history does not look kindly on those folks who really wanted to believe in their hearts that there was good in the people that only wanted to destroy them (best example I can think of: "Peace In Our Time" Neville Chamberlain on Adolph Hitler).

At some point we need to kill them muslins before they get us all.

[MrRational]

Originally Posted by BryanInMaryland

I'm a Muslin First So says the Fort Hood shooter.......

and who has a mental state that warrants considering any of his statements let alone his thinking as being coherent and worthy or consideration?

I do realize that plenty of people want to believe that your average Muslim is just like you......just wanting to live quietly........work quietly.......pray quietly........

as opposed to the paranoid rantings of idiots like yourself?
I think we're all better off with the Muslims

[Evil Yoda]

Originally Posted by nptfool

http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/a...-a-jihadi.html

Crackpotism.

[kittiesarenice]

A point:

He didn't just go after people he knew. One of the soldiers shot had only arrived on the base the day before. That isn't murder with incentive to strike out at people who had harassed him, irritated him, or whatever. It is not the same motivation as someone cracking up and shooting up the office, or killing their wife and kids. It was a political statement.

His statements should have had him sidelined a long time ago from serving in the military and especially treating soldiers who had spent time in Iraq and Afghanistan.

Edit: I don't assume that every muslim is a terrorist. I do assume that any muslim who says suicide bombing is good and the war on terrorism is a war on Islam either is or could be. That's not the same thing.

[bootsy]

I don't know if the US Military officially considers the Bible to be a Holy Book.
I mean this dedicated US Muslim soldier said that people harassed him religiously. Don't most US Muslims believe the Quran is to be respected more than the Preamble to the US Constitution? Don't most US Muslims feel they are being harassed if we use the text of the Quran in English any way we want to?

The media is constantly injecting that he was being harassed for his religion. I think if I asked them all of a sudden if they knew if Hebrew was fully developed and recognized before Arabic was globally, they would call that religious harassment.

The one military man from Walter Reed that I casually talked too, non-Muslim, explained what he was taught by the military about Islam. He wouldn't discuss the Quran with me as an ordinary book. So this post might be considered religious harassment by the average US Muslim.

I'm confused about the rights of people like me who think the Quran and the Bible are just historical documents that have been forced on all of us by killing and torture and that's why I have to deal with them. I can't bury my head in the sand and it will go away. I think the US Muslims are scared to death, even this psychiatrist, of Dr. Uri Rubin's Ha-kur'an. However, dealing with 2009 years of history with the Bible and 1609 years of history with the Qur'an has given me a great Middle Eastern education right here in the US.
Am I harassing any medical professional by telling them that as their patient I think the Tetragrammaton book makes more sense than the Allah book?

I thought that was why our family and friends are giving their lives so I can make my own choices and talk about it, between the Bible and the Qur'an. I think it's awful that it's all right to discuss Shakespeare books and Karl Marx books but they can't discuss the Bible and the Qur'an the same way. They are just two books in the 21st Century folks. There's a lot of talk about all this in the Qur'an you know. The only reason it's about the Bible is because the Bible came first and didn't know the Quran existed. I think the medical profession is getting a bit drugged out in the brain. They don't like me quoting MEIN KAMPF for goodness sakes!!

[lazno_ime]

On a slightly unrelated tangent- what's a bit interesting is how conservatism in America clashes with Islamic conservatism; in some ways, it seems like there should be an agreeing overlap. For example, would a real American conservative dispute Saudi methods of dealing with criminals?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/8342005.stm

"A Saudi court has ruled that a man convicted of raping five children will be beheaded and crucified."

[Jaz]

I was at Bragg the morning a guy from 82nd started popping off rounds into physical training formations. It wasn't because of his religion, it was because his c/o denied his leave request. Unfortunately people snap for a variety of reasons. I don't think this guys religion had anything to do with what he did, he was just a nut.

[thunderlips]

Obama accept some of the blame for this.

Maj. Nidal Malik Hasan, the shooter, voted for Obama because he thought Obama was going to end the war in Iraq and scale things back in Afghanistan.

Not a crazy idea since all during the campaign Obama said he was the peace candidate and was going to end our occupations in the middle east.

The very first thing Obama did when he became president was expand the war in Afghanistan and begin bombing Pakistan. Maj. Nidal Malik Hasan was going to be deployed so he was starting to realize that Obama brought no change and had pretty much lied all during his campaign.

[Sprightly]

Originally Posted by lazno_ime

On a slightly unrelated tangent- what's a bit interesting is how conservatism in America clashes with Islamic conservatism; in some ways, it seems like there should be an agreeing overlap. For example, would a real American conservative dispute Saudi methods of dealing with criminals?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/8342005.stm

That's overkill.

[Frobby]

I'm pretty sure some of your wingnut brethren have already put the blame on the President for the Ft. Hood shootings.
You're a little late.

[MiddleOfTheRoad]

Originally Posted by thunderlips

Obama accept some of the blame for this.

Maj. Nidal Malik Hasan, the shooter, voted for Obama because he thought Obama was going to end the war in Iraq and scale things back in Afghanistan.

Not a crazy idea since all during the campaign Obama said he was the peace candidate and was going to end our occupations in the middle east.

The very first thing Obama did when he became president was expand the war in Afghanistan and begin bombing Pakistan. Maj. Nidal Malik Hasan was going to be deployed so he was starting to realize that Obama brought no change and had pretty much lied all during his campaign.

Despite my moniker, I tend to run right of center, and have little use for this President's policies, but this has got to be the silliest post I've ever read here (excluding Gene and Brendathrall, of course).

[Baltimatt]

Thunderlips--

Any documentation for your claim that he voted for Obama because ... ?

[E. Goldstein]

Originally Posted by thunderlips

Obama accept some of the blame for this.

Maj. Nidal Malik Hasan, the shooter, voted for Obama because he thought Obama was going to end the war in Iraq and scale things back in Afghanistan.

Not a crazy idea since all during the campaign Obama said he was the peace candidate and was going to end our occupations in the middle east.

The very first thing Obama did when he became president was expand the war in Afghanistan and begin bombing Pakistan. Maj. Nidal Malik Hasan was going to be deployed so he was starting to realize that Obama brought no change and had pretty much lied all during his campaign.

Then perhaps you will now also blame former President Bush for September 11th. Or should we do as the conservatives did when they blamed former President Clinton for September 11th, now blame the previous Bush administration for the starting the war in the first place? Perhaps the most intelligent thing to do would be to say that the President does not control eyerything.

[Sprightly]

Originally Posted by E. Goldstein

Then perhaps you will now also blame former President Bush for September 11th. Or should we do as the conservatives did when they blamed former President Clinton for September 11th, now blame the previous Bush administration for the starting the war in the first place? Perhaps the most intelligent thing to do would be to say that the President does not control eyerything.

Or what Democrats did -- blame Bush for 9/11. In fact, claim that he planned it.

See how it goes? Stupid at every level.

[E. Goldstein]

Originally Posted by Sprightly

Or what Democrats did -- blame Bush for 9/11. In fact, claim that he planned it.

See how it goes? Stupid at every level.

It sure is, now the Republicans are out in full force. You would have thought that the Republicans would have learned from the previous errors of the Democrats that mispoke.

[Sprightly]

Originally Posted by E. Goldstein

It sure is, now the Republicans are out in full force. You would have thought that the Republicans would have learned from the previous errors of the Democrats that mispoke.

lol Democrats that "misspoke." Come on. The didn't "misspeak." They meant -- and many still mean -- every word.

[E. Goldstein]

Originally Posted by Sprightly

lol Democrats that "misspoke." Come on. The didn't "misspeak." They meant -- and many still mean -- every word.

I used it as a friendly term, just as the Republicans that continue to claim the President Obama is not a US citizen have mispoken.

[Sprightly]

Originally Posted by E. Goldstein

I used it as a friendly term, just as the Republicans that continue to claim the President Obama is not a US citizen have mispoken.

I think people need to start using fancy words such as "some" a "few" and "many."