making the O's a winner in 2010

[kudzu]

Originally Posted by ravnfan4life

My point is that, if our overrated farm system can actually produce a big bat for once, instead of slap'n'gap hitters like Roberts, and Markakis, we wouldn't have to get into a bidding war for players like Texiera.

Have you given up on the possibility that Wieters could be that big bat ?

[OldSchoolOrioleFan]

C -Weiters
DH - Reimold
3B - Glaus via free agency (2 years with 1 year option)
SS - Izturis
2B - Roberts
1B - Snyder
LF - Pie
CF - Jones
RF - Markakis

SP - Bergy
SP - Guthrie
SP - Matusz
SP - Garland via free agency (four years)
SP - Tillman

RP - Hendrickson (long left)
RP - Uehara (short right)
RP - Baez
RP - Ray
RP - Johnson
CL - Arrieta

C - Moeller
3B/1B - Wigginton
DH/LF/RF - Scott
SS/2B - Andino

Possibly trade Guthrie, Scott, David Hernandez, Berkins and Sndyer for Adrian Gonzalez. If I did that, then obviously at first base would be Gonzalez (then sign to a six year deal), I would then need another starting pitcher - Randy Wolf. I would need another bench players and that could be Michael Aubrey.

Actually, I expecting something like this to happen this offseason

God bless,

M.T.P.
Northern VA Orioles Fan

[cb coach]

Originally Posted by dude

I think the Orioles could get Halladay, but not that way and it wouldn't make as much sense now.

I think the "sign Lackey and 2 Boras clients" plan would provide some opportunity to win in 2010 and would have no negative downstream implications....but I also don't give it much opportunity to happen....I tihnk there are plenty of other options to build that much or more opportunity to win in 2010.

Cabrera, Inge and Bedard would look good on paper (wouldn't be my first choice).

Go O's.

Why do you think it would make as much sense now? Something happen?

I agree, Bedard has to be very tempting for the Orioles. If you have any kind of ego at all, and you made the first deal with the Mariners, and you can bring back the lure that got you the fish, that is a double win. However if I am building this club, I do not want to take too many risk, but this one makes sense. I like Inge, he has a lot of game in him, and is a fighter and is tough, he gives you everything he has. I like the fact that he can also catch, so it gives a little insurance. I do not like all the strikeouts. If the O's could not sign Beltre, Inge makes a good second choice just IMO.

[dude]

Originally Posted by cb coach

Why do you think it would make as much sense now? Something happen?

If the Orioles didn't have Jones and Bell, I'd go after Young and Wells and leverage their salaries (with other talent) to bring in the hammer.

I think you may have a little trouble getting Haladay to extend in the AL East so with only one year, I wouldn't spend the resources there.

If I was the Nationals, that is where I'd be going (that would help MASN). Go O's.

[cb coach]

Originally Posted by OldSchoolOrioleFan

C -Weiters
DH - Reimold
3B - Glaus via free agency (2 years with 1 year option)
SS - Izturis
2B - Roberts
1B - Snyder
LF - Pie
CF - Jones
RF - Markakis

SP - Bergy
SP - Guthrie
SP - Matusz
SP - Garland via free agency (four years)
SP - Tillman

RP - Hendrickson (long left)
RP - Uehara (short right)
RP - Baez
RP - Ray
RP - Johnson
CL - Arrieta

C - Moeller
3B/1B - Wigginton
DH/LF/RF - Scott
SS/2B - Andino

Possibly trade Guthrie, Scott, David Hernandez, Berkins and Sndyer for Adrian Gonzalez. If I did that, then obviously at first base would be Gonzalez (then sign to a six year deal), I would then need another starting pitcher - Randy Wolf. I would need another bench players and that could be Michael Aubrey.

Actually, I expecting something like this to happen this offseason

God bless,

M.T.P.
Northern VA Orioles Fan

I am not so sure about Glaus, I think he offers a lot, just not sure if these injury risk reward types are worth it, however I do see value there, if he was to split between 3B and DH, and that way he can rest his shoulder. Arrieta will not be closing games in 2010, should be in Triple A, and when someone goes down, get the call if he is doing well.

Do you think the Orioles signing Baez? I am not so sure if that will happen. Garland I like, but as I mentioned before I think he needs to be surronded by a club that has more offense, as indicated by his career stats.

[cb coach]

Originally Posted by dude

If the Orioles didn't have Jones and Bell, I'd go after Young and Wells and leverage their salaries (with other talent) to bring in the hammer.

I think you may have a little trouble getting Haladay to extend in the AL East so with only one year, I wouldn't spend the resources there.

If I was the Nationals, that is where I'd be going (that would help MASN). Go O's.

Well if I was going to make the trade that would be something that I would want to hammer out ASAP because it does remain a large risk, but if you cannot you could trade to a contender. I do like Young and Wells, I just believe they need a real stopper, and that would make a huge difference.

[cb coach]

Originally Posted by kudzu

Have you given up on the possibility that Wieters could be that big bat ?

Weiters should be a big bat, but it may take another year, I would rather him not have to worry about anything other than contact and getting on base, then having the power come later.

[cb coach]

Originally Posted by pajaroman

I appreciate the serious thought on this. Well thought out. But the X factor here (as it always is) is the fact that Angelos would have to open up the wallet to get players like Holliday, Beltre, Overbay, etc. And he's probably going to have to overpay to keep him away from the Sox and Yankees. But Angelos has developed a bad reputation of underpaying players and not signing ones to make the team competitive. Angelos has to have a much different mindset or else the Orioles are going to be AL East doormats forever.

Actually Overbay will cost you 6MM for 2010, Beltre would be about the same, or maybe a hair more than the Mora contract maybe up to 9MM.
Hloliday and Lackey would be the biggest expense and Halladay in 2011 if you can reach an agreement with him, but he will cost around 10MM for 2010. Grabow would add between 3-5 MM. So it is a rough call

So you would add to the 2010 payroll about 55-65 million in payroll, but that would increase in 2011 so you have to be smart on how you construct contracts.

[ravnfan4life]

Originally Posted by kudzu

Have you given up on the possibility that Wieters could be that big bat ?

There's always that possibility, but I wasn't all that impressed w/Weiters this year. He didn't hit for much power, he seemed to slap at the ball too much, always hitting his HR's to the opposite field. He appears to have a slow bat. He didn't seem to be able to turn on a pitch and drive it. Even though he batted around .290, it was a very soft .290. His numbers were decent, but compare his rookie year to that of Evan Longoria. It's not even close. Of course, I wasn't expecting much from Weiters, mainly because he came out of the Orioles farm system, and the O's track record of developing position players is probably the worst in the majors(except for maybe the Cubs, which was MacFail's last place of employment)

[kudzu]

Originally Posted by ravnfan4life

There's always that possibility, but I wasn't all that impressed w/Weiters this year. He didn't hit for much power, he seemed to slap at the ball too much, always hitting his HR's to the opposite field. He appears to have a slow bat. He didn't seem to be able to turn on a pitch and drive it. Even though he batted around .290, it was a very soft .290. His numbers were decent, but compare his rookie year to that of Evan Longoria. It's not even close. Of course, I wasn't expecting much from Weiters, mainly because he came out of the Orioles farm system, and the O's track record of developing position players is probably the worst in the majors(except for maybe the Cubs, which was MacFail's last place of employment)

You're setting the bar too high. How many players have Longoria-type rookie seasons ?

He's still learning at the majors level. I say it right now - he'll add at least 75 points to his OPS next year.

[cb coach]

Originally Posted by kudzu

You're setting the bar too high. How many players have Longoria-type rookie seasons ?

He's still learning at the majors level. I say it right now - he'll add at least 75 points to his OPS next year.

I agree but he needs someone to hit around him to take some of the pressure off. That is why I really hope they step up and get the hitter they need.

[kudzu]

Originally Posted by cb coach

I agree but he needs someone to hit around him to take some of the pressure off. That is why I really hope they step up and get the hitter they need.

Markakis could really benefit from that, too.

[cb coach]

Originally Posted by ravnfan4life

There's always that possibility, but I wasn't all that impressed w/Weiters this year. He didn't hit for much power, he seemed to slap at the ball too much, always hitting his HR's to the opposite field. He appears to have a slow bat. He didn't seem to be able to turn on a pitch and drive it. Even though he batted around .290, it was a very soft .290. His numbers were decent, but compare his rookie year to that of Evan Longoria. It's not even close. Of course, I wasn't expecting much from Weiters, mainly because he came out of the Orioles farm system, and the O's track record of developing position players is probably the worst in the majors(except for maybe the Cubs, which was MacFail's last place of employment)

Do you think it is a bad thing that Wieters can let the ball get in deeper and still take it opposite way? I look at that as a plus. Switch hitting catcher that can hit with power, hit the gaps is most likely going to hit around .300 every year and develope very good power numbers. First we have to agree that catching at the major league level was the first priority in his rookie year, not hitting 25 homeruns. The speed of the game changes from one level to another, and that is where the focus needed to be on defense, he started rough but was very good in the last 20-25 games.

Time will tell on some of these young guys, but they have to start making moves that make sense to get these guys to a level where they can contend. Andy needs to look at all the 200 + inning pitchers that are of quality, bullpen pitchers that can get guys out and all the guys that hit more than 30 homeruns and drove in runs, and pick out the ones he thinks he can get to Baltimore. If he brings back the 2010 model replacement models for the Eaton's, Freel's and Wigginton's of the talent pool you can be sure that we will be at the bottom of the basement again.