Officer Misses Court

[LarryD]

I had a similar situation in the city a drunk and drugged suspect ran a red light totaled my vehicle and sent my wife to the hospital in an ambulance she was not seriously hurt thank god.( not the first time this driver was caught drinking and driving also with accidents involved as revealed in the court) The officer was a no show the judge put out a call to find this officer so we waited until 12: o'clock still no officer. The judge ordered a new trial date. I went to the police office located in the court and asked why this officer couldn't be found well they said some officers get moved around and it seems that the officer who wrote up the traffic report is now located in a different department. But which department was unknown.

We arrived a second time to stand trial and still no officer. The judge was furious. They ordered a car to the officers house and he was not there the judge had to order a new trial. Once again the officer was a no show it seems as he was now working for the juvenile detention center. But was on leave for some infraction.

The judge dismissed this case. I told the officers in the department they should not be writing reports and issuing tickets they cant or won't be standing trial for. Good luck finding officers to stand trial if they have been transferred out of one station to another.

[Wizard777]

Originally Posted by Lawman 27

Hi Wiz,

In my academy class we were taught that any suspect who comes in WITHOUT permission is breaking in. (Even if a door is unlocked, the suspect is still "Breaking the threshold" of the property and thus can be charged accordingly).

But that was back in the day when Police were allowed to acknowledge and fight crime.

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Hi Lawman,
I understand that. As a victim I agree with it. But as a legal hobbyist (yeah I have some really strange hobbies) I disagree with it. It's a legal fiction that should be eliminated by a Felony Trespassing Statute. But what is confusing is the language of the law. In Burglary 1-4 (b) they use the word "Break." But In Burglary 4 (c) they get verbose and say.

(c) Same - Being in or on dwelling, storehouse, or environs.- A person, with the intent to commit theft, may not be in or on:

(1) the dwelling or storehouse of another; or
(2) a yard, garden, or other area belonging to the dwelling or storehouse of another.

So this creates the appearance that there is a difference between actually breaking in and simply being in. Granted that both are fourth degree burglary. So basically if goes into my garden and takes a tomato. They can be charged with fourth degree burglary. Dayum! I guess it's good to know the Maryland legislature values my tomatoes THAT much. But It also fits in well with some of my Medical Marijuana and Harm Reduction concepts. So my only real opposition is that the charge is a legal fiction that has no basis in truth or fact.

[Wizard777]

Originally Posted by Clandestine

Another one who thinks they know a thing or two about what goes on in the PD.

What's so hard to understand?

Police mission statement: Avoid logic, functionality, and efficency at all costs.

I hope you didn't buy into that "protect and serve" BS.

[Clandestine]

Originally Posted by mgofbmore

That excuse would never work for the defendant. I knew I guy who in CBIU and charged with FTA. When he made bail, he was detained for the FTA

That's why he's called a defendant!

[Clandestine]

Originally Posted by Wizard777

What's so hard to understand?

Police mission statement: Avoid logic, functionality, and efficency at all costs.

I hope you didn't buy into that "protect and serve" BS.

ROTFLMFAO....amazing...truly amazing. You're ideology is the very reason why you couldn't become a cop when deep down inside you wish you were. You're notorious for being a cop basher. Obviously you didn't have what it takes to be one so now you want to talk smack about LEO's. Your covetus ways are duly noted...

[Clandestine]

Originally Posted by Wizard777

Hi Lawman,
I understand that. As a victim I agree with it. But as a legal hobbyist (yeah I have some really strange hobbies) I disagree with it. It's a legal fiction that should be eliminated by a Felony Trespassing Statute. But what is confusing is the language of the law. In Burglary 1-4 (b) they use the word "Break." But In Burglary 4 (c) they get verbose and say.

(c) Same - Being in or on dwelling, storehouse, or environs.- A person, with the intent to commit theft, may not be in or on:

(1) the dwelling or storehouse of another; or
(2) a yard, garden, or other area belonging to the dwelling or storehouse of another.

So this creates the appearance that there is a difference between actually breaking in and simply being in. Granted that both are fourth degree burglary. So basically if goes into my garden and takes a tomato. They can be charged with fourth degree burglary. Dayum! I guess it's good to know the Maryland legislature values my tomatoes THAT much. But It also fits in well with some of my Medical Marijuana and Harm Reduction concepts. So my only real opposition is that the charge is a legal fiction that has no basis in truth or fact.

Another "street" lawyer....LMAO...great job at interpreting the B&E laws Wiz...truly amazing... I would love to see you defend yourself in court.

[Oriole-Bob]

Originally Posted by Lawman 27

OB,

Gotta tell you that as a City Cop I would routinely get a summons to court a day or more AFTER the trial had happened. (It makes it hard as heck to make court when the summons date is already passed).

And the fact that time travel has not been invented did not stop "Command Investigations" (District IAD) from wanting to know why I could not make it to court, just because I was never told.

Oh i understand this isn't just all the cops fault. It seems like the whole system is a bit of a cluster ****. In my opinon there is no excuse at all for such an outdated system for something so important.

[Snoopy71]

Originally Posted by Lawman 27

And the fact that time travel has not been invented

Are you sure ... I've seen 3 movies about it with a cool looking time machine!!!

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[Wizard777]

Originally Posted by Clandestine

ROTFLMFAO....amazing...truly amazing. You're ideology is the very reason why you couldn't become a cop when deep down inside you wish you were. You're notorious for being a cop basher. Obviously you didn't have what it takes to be one so now you want to talk smack about LEO's. Your covetus ways are duly noted...

They reason I never became a cop is because I couldn't afford the cut in pay and benefits. Geesh. But your attitude is exactly why I absolutely refused to allow to former LEO's on my Team. Far too many have ego problems that require professional help. You don't have the aptitude or intellect for it. Executive protection is a whole different ball game from police work. We actually have a legal obligation to protect our clients to the best of our ability. You have no such obligation. The bad guys usually run at us. Not away from us. Even if I did become a cop. That is no guarantee I would know the law. You're proof of that.

If the police knew the law there would be no such thing as lawyers.
If lawyers could agree upon the application of the law there would be no such thing as Judges.
If Judges could agree upon the interpretation of the law there would be no such thing as the Supreme Court
Right or wrong the Supreme Courts say is final.

It's really that simple. I have encountered a few LEO's that would give me just cause to reconsider my prohibitive policy. But you aren't one of them. You justify the policy.

[Wizard777]

Originally Posted by Lawman 27

And the fact that time travel has not been invented

That's the official story and they're sticking to it.

[Clandestine]

Originally Posted by Wizard777

They reason I never became a cop is because I couldn't afford the cut in pay and benefits. Geesh. But your attitude is exactly why I absolutely refused to allow to former LEO's on my Team. Far too many have ego problems that require professional help. You don't have the aptitude or intellect for it. Executive protection is a whole different ball game from police work. We actually have a legal obligation to protect our clients to the best of our ability. You have no such obligation. The bad guys usually run at us. Not away from us. Even if I did become a cop. That is no guarantee I would know the law. You're proof of that.

If the police knew the law there would be no such thing as lawyers.
If lawyers could agree upon the application of the law there would be no such thing as Judges.
If Judges could agree upon the interpretation of the law there would be no such thing as the Supreme Court
Right or wrong the Supreme Courts say is final.

It's really that simple. I have encountered a few LEO's that would give me just cause to reconsider my prohibitive policy. But you aren't one of them. You justify the policy.

LMAO...thanks for proving my point Wiz. I lot of wannabe's always use the excuse of pay cuts and benefits...LMAO

Executive Protection That's a good one Wiz. A lot of security companies use that title to make themselves seem important. You're no different than a security / body guard. Police enforce law. Something you can only wish to do. Since you can't, you now hold yourself in high regard working as contract "specialist". You're just a glory hound with a dream. What you lack is the confidence to do real police work. Try again little buddy.

[sawbothsides]

as further proof that the ENTIRE system is screwed up..today in court, the cops showed up, the defendants showed up, but of wait what are we missing here....oh yeah..the JUDGE...due to what they termed as an "administrative foul-up", the judge failed to appear in court...the entire courtroom had to sit there for over an hour while they scrambled to find another judge who was in the general area..so yes, cops miss court on purpose sometimes..but don't assume that every time is thier fault..notices don't get sent, or they get sent to the wrong location..the computers screw things up...the entire system from top to bottom needs to be overhauled!!!!! (grammar disclaimer..I use alot of (...) and don't use complete sentences)

[Wizard777]

Originally Posted by sawbothsides

as further proof that the ENTIRE system is screwed up..today in court, the cops showed up, the defendants showed up, but of wait what are we missing here....oh yeah..the JUDGE...due to what they termed as an "administrative foul-up", the judge failed to appear in court...the entire courtroom had to sit there for over an hour while they scrambled to find another judge who was in the general area..so yes, cops miss court on purpose sometimes..but don't assume that every time is thier fault..notices don't get sent, or they get sent to the wrong location..the computers screw things up...the entire system from top to bottom needs to be overhauled!!!!! (grammar disclaimer..I use alot of (...) and don't use complete sentences)

The police should be treated like any other witness. The notifications should be mailed to their home or a PO BOX. As for the Judge. The Court Clerk is going to have some splainin' to do.

[sawbothsides]

The reason why you will never see a court notice mailed to an officer's home address is simple. When an officer signs up to be a cop, they fully understand that by doing this they are putting thier lives on the line. But what they don't sign up for is putting the lives of thier families or property in jeopardy. By putting your home address on the arrest paperwork, it is now public record. Now I'm not sure if you watch the news, but these days criminals are killing people before the court date arrives to prohibit them from testifying. What makes you think they would not do this to an officer or thier loved one. Even if you don't care about the officer, how would you like to be the neighbor of the cop when they firebomb his/her house. If you are so inhumane that you would risk the health of the officer's family well then there isn't much more I can say. And if you don't think that these criminals today wouldn't try to intimidate or harm an officer in retaliation then I guess you really are not in touch with what kind of criminals really are out there today.

[ChiefWiggum]

He has all the answers but really no experience in anything. Wiz, have you ever worked a midnight shift, got off at 8 a.m. and had to be in court at 1 p.m. Of course you haven't, it sucks. And turn around and go back in that night for night shift, that sucks too.

[Wizard777]

Originally Posted by sawbothsides

The reason why you will never see a court notice mailed to an officer's home address is simple. When an officer signs up to be a cop, they fully understand that by doing this they are putting thier lives on the line. But what they don't sign up for is putting the lives of thier families or property in jeopardy. By putting your home address on the arrest paperwork, it is now public record. Now I'm not sure if you watch the news, but these days criminals are killing people before the court date arrives to prohibit them from testifying. What makes you think they would not do this to an officer or thier loved one. Even if you don't care about the officer, how would you like to be the neighbor of the cop when they firebomb his/her house. If you are so inhumane that you would risk the health of the officer's family well then there isn't much more I can say. And if you don't think that these criminals today wouldn't try to intimidate or harm an officer in retaliation then I guess you really are not in touch with what kind of criminals really are out there today.

That's why I included the PO Box option. I understand their security concerns. Just wait until the next wave of the War on Drugs hits Baltimore. Los Zeta's they are more of an army than a gang. They're very tech savy and won't hesitate to kill a cop. You think they whine now. Wait until they have to start sweeping their personal or service vehicles before going home to make sure there are no GPS devices on it. Those guys don't play. They make MS-13 and Murder Inc look like a walk in the park. Right now Los Zeta's is fighting for control of Laredo Texas. That will be the foothold they expand out of.

[Wizard777]

Originally Posted by ChiefWiggum

He has all the answers but really no experience in anything. Wiz, have you ever worked a midnight shift, got off at 8 a.m. and had to be in court at 1 p.m. Of course you haven't, it sucks. And turn around and go back in that night for night shift, that sucks too.

What little of my experiences I can legally share. I do. You're not the only people that have to double back after working a double. Yeah it not only sucks. It's entirely deliterious to your mental and physical health. That kind of a schedule is a sure sign of bad management or a supervisor who is trying to torture you into quiting. With some clients I could be on for weeks at a time. Once I get into a hide away. I like to keep that as close to no one comes in and no leaves as humanly possible. But I go in with a team large enough to ensure proper sleep schedules. I don't want anyone entranced when a weapon comes out or halucinating and seeing threats where there are none. Halucination can begin as early as 48 hours of sleep deprival. Physically and mentally it's all down hill from there. I'm a chronic insomniac. I all know all about sleep deprival. When you get to be 77. You'll probably have all the answers too. So until then learn what ever you can when and where ever you can.

[ChiefWiggum]

No, again you are wrong. It has to do with none of the agencies working together.

[Wizard777]

Originally Posted by ChiefWiggum

No, again you are wrong. It has to do with none of the agencies working together.

If you say so. I'm not going to try to tell you whats going on in your place of work when I only have an outside view of it. All I can do is share my experiences with you and they can be different than your experiences.