In 20 years -- Who is considered the better player = A-Rod or Jeter ?

[soulflower]

Originally Posted by where's earl

The difference between A-Rod and Jeter; is A-Rod when hot can carry a team, Jeter is far more consitant. If I was starting an expansion team today, or 5 years ago and could only have 1 or the other I take A-Rod.

They are both pretty consistent. ARod has hit 30 homers and drove in 100 runs 12 years in a row...

[Softbank Orioles]

A-rod by everyone

Jeter by Yankees fans.

[WaccoForFalco]

Matt Wieters, oh wait this is a yankee thread ooopps

[nycbird]

A-Rod. it's not even worthy of discussion.

[JanJaap]

Originally Posted by Stotle

No, you're right. The newspaper doesn't write bad stuff so Jeter's just a class act out about the town... I'd love for some other New Yorkers (people in the city who are actually out and about) to chime in. I'm sure I'm not the only one that feels this way.

Oke again, good for you and have a nice day.

[HAIL2BNG]

Originally Posted by Stotle

No, you're right. The newspaper doesn't write bad stuff so Jeter's just a class act out about the town... I'd love for some other New Yorkers (people in the city who are actually out and about) to chime in. I'm sure I'm not the only one that feels this way.

Originally Posted by Stotle

Well, you can base your opinion of people on what is reported in the paper. I'll base mine on their interactions with people in the real world, not when the camera is on the mic is in front of them...

Originally Posted by Stotle

I have never personally interacted with jeter, but I have a handful of second hand stories that lead me to disagree with the "good guy" comments. I'm sorry you take that personal. It doesn't mean you have to trade in your pink yankees cap.

Look, someone doesn't have to be a saint, but the guys image is quite manufactured and I felt the need to point out that jeter in an interview or on a ford commercial doesn't equal "good person on and off the field". Sorry I struck a chord. And thanks for providing all of those examples of my posting. Now take a sip of your mountain dew code red and play another game of madden while enjoying espn's coverage of the feel good story that is the gritty 09 yanks.

Let's hear your story, know-it-all.

[Stotle]

Originally Posted by HAIL2BNG

Let's hear your story, know-it-all.

No reason to; the specifics aren't important and you have no genuine interest in discussing my larger point, which was simply that I find it inappropriate for a group of people to pass judgment on how good or bad a person is based on sports interviews and media coverage. Discussing and debating sports performance -- great. Heaping praise on an individual because he knows how to craft his image to the media...

And it's not a story, it's a small cluster of stories.

[mfdoom42]

Is this a serious question? Derek Jeter isn't even close to the player A-Rod is. Jeter is a mediocre defender, and a great singles hitter with some pop. A-Rod is one of the best hitters of all-time, and is no worse defensively than Jeter.

Derek Jeter 162-game averages
.317/.388/.459/.847
33 2B
4 3B
17 HR
81 RBI
23 SB

Alex Rodriguez 162-game averages
.309/.390/.567/.965
33 2B
2 3B
44 HR
128 RBI
22 SB

[mfdoom42]

Originally Posted by Stotle

No reason to; the specifics aren't important and you have no genuine interest in discussing my larger point, which was simply that I find it inappropriate for a group of people to pass judgment on how good or bad a person is based on sports interviews and media coverage. Discussing and debating sports performance -- great. Heaping praise on an individual because he knows how to craft his image to the media...

And it's not a story, it's a small cluster of stories.

Co-sign.

[lanaloo]

Originally Posted by Stotle

No reason to; the specifics aren't important and you have no genuine interest in discussing my larger point, which was simply that I find it inappropriate for a group of people to pass judgment on how good or bad a person is based on sports interviews and media coverage. Discussing and debating sports performance -- great. Heaping praise on an individual because he knows how to craft his image to the media...

And it's not a story, it's a small cluster of stories.

sorta funny that you take issue with jeter for being manufactured.

Notre Dame is about the biggest manufactured fraud in sports.

[lanaloo]

Originally Posted by Stotle

Well, you can base your opinion of people on what is reported in the paper. I'll base mine on their interactions with people in the real world, not when the camera is on the mic is in front of them...

or, that could be a cute way of saying 'i have nothing substantial to say'.

seriously.

put it up, or shut up.

[mfdoom42]

Originally Posted by lanaloo

or, that could be a cute way of saying 'i have nothing substantial to say'.

seriously.

put it up, or shut up.

The level of hypocrisy in this post is nearing critical mass.

[HAIL2BNG]

Originally Posted by Stotle

No reason to; the specifics aren't important and you have no genuine interest in discussing my larger point, which was simply that I find it inappropriate for a group of people to pass judgment on how good or bad a person is based on sports interviews and media coverage. Discussing and debating sports performance -- great. Heaping praise on an individual because he knows how to craft his image to the media...

And it's not a story, it's a small cluster of stories.

White flag accepted. I knew you had nothing.

[crawdaddy]

Maybe I missed the discussion at large, but are we really discussing if Jeter is his public image?

I guess first of all . . . it does not matter. He is a very good baseball player and will probably go down as one of the top ten if not top five shortstops of all time. Second . . . of course he is not his public image.

Now, I am not clubbing in the New York scene, but just glancing at the papers lets you know the dude is probably hiding his persona a bit. He has never really done anything amazingly in poor form publicly, but even the little things are just weird to distort. For instance, this past offseason when he was coy about it and then admitted that he stole the DiMaggio sign. Then a few months later it was revealed that he had asked the front office for it, they then took it down, held it, and then gave it to him in a gift bag. That is just a small thing, but it shows an eye for detail.

Perhaps what is more indicative of his public image probably not matching his behavior. It takes a peculiar psyche to be bringing in as much tail as he is and that much of it is high index tail. A lot of famous guys go after pretty women . . . but rarely is it so high profile women. And, it is also rare for someone to keep it up for so long. It very much appears to be some sort of emotional dissonance.

Now, that said, he is not Arod nuts. Jeter might wind up being a weird, creepy old dude living in a mansion with a lot of third degree women about. Arod is probably going to be stuck in the theater of a palacial home that has several walk in closets for him to store his meticulously dated, formaldehyde-preserve stool samples.

I would very much like to have both of them on the Orioles.

[skeemer]

Originally Posted by crawdaddy

Maybe I missed the discussion at large, but are we really discussing if Jeter is his public image?

I guess first of all . . . it does not matter. He is a very good baseball player and will probably go down as one of the top ten if not top five shortstops of all time. Second . . . of course he is not his public image.

Now, I am not clubbing in the New York scene, but just glancing at the papers lets you know the dude is probably hiding his persona a bit. He has never really done anything amazingly in poor form publicly, but even the little things are just weird to distort. For instance, this past offseason when he was coy about it and then admitted that he stole the DiMaggio sign. Then a few months later it was revealed that he had asked the front office for it, they then took it down, held it, and then gave it to him in a gift bag. That is just a small thing, but it shows an eye for detail.

Perhaps what is more indicative of his public image probably not matching his behavior. It takes a peculiar psyche to be bringing in as much tail as he is and that much of it is high index tail. A lot of famous guys go after pretty women . . . but rarely is it so high profile women. And, it is also rare for someone to keep it up for so long. It very much appears to be some sort of emotional dissonance.

Now, that said, he is not Arod nuts. Jeter might wind up being a weird, creepy old dude living in a mansion with a lot of third degree women about. Arod is probably going to be stuck in the theater of a palacial home that has several walk in closets for him to store his meticulously dated, formaldehyde-preserve stool samples.

I would very much like to have both of them on the Orioles.

rofl!

[Stotle]

Originally Posted by lanaloo

or, that could be a cute way of saying 'i have nothing substantial to say'.

seriously.

put it up, or shut up.

Honestly, this is insane. I'd expect much more from you -- has my posting history indicated that I'm big on rumors and inuendo? You're an well spoken and thoughtful Yankees fan, and while I may disagree with you from time to time, I think you're above gimmicky message board attention grabs. I'm disappointed you don't hold me in the same regard.

[Stotle]

Originally Posted by HAIL2BNG

White flag accepted. I knew you had nothing.

The convo was about who will be considered to be the better player. It morphed into slamming ARod and praising Jeter as "people". I was trying to point out that no one has enough info to make claims about the core being of the players we see on TV. I also pointed out that Jeter is intimately aware of his public persona, as well as how the baseball world and the history books will view him. That isn't an insult, it's an honest take on Jeter that many would agree with. I was honestly surprised at how comfortable so many people were calling Jeter a great person and ARod a bad person when I've heard accounts of this not being the case. My posting string was to that end.

The idea that you can't understand why someone would have "dirt" on someone else and not want to spread it around an anonymous message board does not surprise me...

[Stotle]

Originally Posted by lanaloo

sorta funny that you take issue with jeter for being manufactured.

Notre Dame is about the biggest manufactured fraud in sports.

I graduated in 2001 and the best people I know are people who I have met through the Universtiy. Football is a fun distraction for five months, but I honstly don't care what fans think about a sports program. Like it; don't like it. Hurl fat jokes at the soon-to-be-ex-coach. It's all part of what "sports" are to the everyday fan. Fine.

The University, however, is one of the greatest collection of people I've ever been around. An incredible amount of good is done every year, month, week and day by students (both athletes and non-) who go about life with a sense of duty and compassion and a desire to help. Most people don't get how rare it is to find that in someone, let alone in a large collection of people in the same location. I don't know you personally, and perhaps you devote a large chunk of your time to charitable causes and helping out those that need it. Most people don't, and I'm proud to be part of a family (figuratively) of graduates that take that duty seriously. That's something Notre Dame helped instill.

Are there asses at Notre Dame? There sure are -- there are asses everywhere. But only someone who has no idea what Notre Dame is about would think that a football-related slight would come across as anything more than petty and mean-spirited. I'm sorry your Yankee fandom requires you to stoop to that level -- I was sincere with my prior post when I said I thought you were a thoughtful poster, even when I disagree with you.

[lanaloo]

Originally Posted by Stotle

Honestly, this is insane. I'd expect much more from you -- has my posting history indicated that I'm big on rumors and inuendo? You're an well spoken and thoughtful Yankees fan, and while I may disagree with you from time to time, I think you're above gimmicky message board attention grabs. I'm disappointed you don't hold me in the same regard.

full disclosure - i used to sit and watch my alma mater's college baseball games at red mcewen field in tampa...in the '94 season as i spent most of my spring in an alcohol, party-feuled haze, i would spend many an afternoon out there watching them play...the yankees single A affiliate were actually sharing red mcewen field as they were building legends field about 5 miles down the road. jeter would often come watch USF play.

i sat and chatted with the guy numerous times. he seemed as down to earth as anybody can possibly be, given that even then he could've pretty much taken any of the college ball players' women. just seems like a well-rooted guy.

yes, he always knows the right thing to say. but so what?

[lanaloo]

oh and sorry about the notre dame comment. i cannot stand their sports programs, but it was a cheap shot.