Football: Overall Player of the Year; Offensive and Defensive Player of the Year - Page 2

gocaps · #21 11-07-2009, 08:34 PM

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Originally Posted by TheGuru

Jennings is not my boy, jackass. I'm just tired of a segment of the population who label black QBs as "athletes". Last I checked, the player who receives the snap from the center is a QB, not an "athlete." Jennings, who has played better competition than the great Billy Cosh and put up huge numbers, is therefore the OPOY. As a matter of fact, Cosh is an "athlete" also, isn't he? He does competes in an "athletic" endeavor.

I knew what I wrote would be controversial but so what. You, Arundel, can kiss my ass. Cosh, I wish him well at Kansas State.

Controversial???? Try idiotic. Athlete means he has an undefined postion in college.

Arundel · #22 11-07-2009, 09:28 PM

better to let people THINK you are stupid, than to open your mouth to confirm it.

mlf1886 · #23 11-07-2009, 09:37 PM

Cosh deserves to get offensive player of the year as I said before and if Austin wasn't playing last year he would have THE offensive player of the year award for the State and in the baltimore metro area.

Cosh has destroyed state records and shows poise, leadership and stregnth in the pocket.. Moreover, his production seems to show up EVEN MORE in the big games... Cosh could play well against any team in the state..

We Should see Cosh go up against Sherwood or A pretty good Pg county team on the first Friday in December.. GET YOUR POPCORN READY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

watson34 · #24 11-07-2009, 09:55 PM

MLF1886 Cosh would not have won it last year either, Michael Campanaro would have won it before him. I don't know who votes for these Kids with the SUN, but I put in my Vote for Mike with the Post and he won. He did it on both sides of the ball last year, and was really more deserving than both, but as I said the OPOY is more than numbers, and breaking records. I could take the running back on Arundel and put him on QO instead of Ben, and he would be getting mail out the door. Very under rated kid, but he is in a system that does not support his true talent. Some players are system players, and when they get out of that system they falter. You have to have more for POY, OPOY & DPOY.

Operations · #25 11-08-2009, 10:58 AM

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Originally Posted by TheGuru

Two years ago I sat in that stadium and watched all 4 championship games. I said it then and I'll say it now. The 2007 Dunbar Poets were the best team in the State in all 4 classifications!

Your opinion, and you're entitled to it. I saw all four games and Dunbar couldn't have beaten any of the six teams that played in the other three championship games. The reason....that sieve-like defense of theirs that gave up 34 points to Allegany. Alco scored at least one TD in all four quarters, so it's not like Dunbar's backups gave up all those points. Also, for the record, Dunbar gave up at least four TD's in three other games in 2007. Dunbar was the best 1A team in the state. Period. Nothing more....nothing less. That's my opinion.

GREYHOUND ALUM · #26 11-08-2009, 12:54 PM

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Originally Posted by mlf1886

Cosh deserves to get offensive player of the year as I said before and if Austin wasn't playing last year he would have THE offensive player of the year award for the State and in the baltimore metro area.

Cosh has destroyed state records and shows poise, leadership and stregnth in the pocket.. Moreover, his production seems to show up EVEN MORE in the big games... Cosh could play well against any team in the state..

We Should see Cosh go up against Sherwood or A pretty good Pg county team on the first Friday in December.. GET YOUR POPCORN READY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Why do you believe Cosh is more derserving of POY than Jennings? Have you ever seen Jennings play? I have seen Cosh and Jennings, Cosh is a great player and has done some amazing things but what Jennings has done has been just outright astounding! This is no disrespect to Arundel(because I am rooting for them to kill MG county+Trip's PG boys) but if Gilman played in AA County, Jennings would have had close to 3000 yards rushing this year. BTW, Rudy Johnson is one hell of a player!

mlf1886 · #27 11-08-2009, 08:37 PM

Greyhound I have seen Gilman, Dematha, Good Counsel, Loyola, Old Mill, Arundel, Eastern Tech, Poly, City, Calvert Hall, McDonough and Dunbar play. Have you seen all these teams play... Jennings torched Dematha and Good Counsel . He definitely could be player of the year....

I saw Jennings and he is by far the best athlete and quarterback in the state because of his dual threat. Cosh to ME IS THE OFFESNIVE PLAYER OF THE YEAR. He does not have a great receiving core like Elko but still puts up numbers. He has earned player of the year honors on the offensive side.. He is a leader AND WINS.. He has only 1 loss and two years running the spread offense. The spread offense is the hardest offense for a quarterback to run because the game is in the quarterbacks hands most of the time.. You truly have to be a good quarterback to run this offense because you may through 80% of the time with a variety of passes.. Cosh has nice touch on his balls and is again very poise. Jennings would do shine in the offense but I would give Cosh the offensive player of the year award as more of career award.. Jennings and Cosh could be co-players of the year in the sun.

GREYHOUND ALUM · #28 11-09-2009, 11:51 AM

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Originally Posted by mlf1886

Greyhound I have seen Gilman, Dematha, Good Counsel, Loyola, Old Mill, Arundel, Eastern Tech, Poly, City, Calvert Hall, McDonough and Dunbar play. Have you seen all these teams play... Jennings torched Dematha and Good Counsel . He definitely could be player of the year....

I saw Jennings and he is by far the best athlete and quarterback in the state because of his dual threat. Cosh to ME IS THE OFFESNIVE PLAYER OF THE YEAR. He does not have a great receiving core like Elko but still puts up numbers. He has earned player of the year honors on the offensive side.. He is a leader AND WINS.. He has only 1 loss and two years running the spread offense. The spread offense is the hardest offense for a quarterback to run because the game is in the quarterbacks hands most of the time.. You truly have to be a good quarterback to run this offense because you may through 80% of the time with a variety of passes.. Cosh has nice touch on his balls and is again very poise. Jennings would do shine in the offense but I would give Cosh the offensive player of the year award as more of career award.. Jennings and Cosh could be co-players of the year in the sun.

I have seen all these teams play except Eastern Tech this year. I wouldn't be surprise if its a CO-POY for the two of them. I also think that the State POY is now just a two man race. I think its either Jennings or Cosh, Coker had another subpar game this weekend against Mcnamera. If Cosh leads Arundel to an undefeated season and State Title, he will deserve POY. But he has a tough way to go to get the title.

foty · #29 11-09-2009, 12:49 PM

St Claire should definitely get some serious consideration. He played for a 7-3 team that with a few breaks here and there could be playing in the championship game this weekend. No other player meant more to their team or it's sucess than St.Claire. I spoke to some people I think are pretty good judges of talent, their opinion, he may not be the biggest or fastest but he's a great "football player" that makes the right plays at the right time.............

polylum84 · #30 11-09-2009, 02:00 PM

Foty, unless your player you are blogging for plays in the mighty "A" conference, please reserve your comments to subjects that refer specifically to "b" conference disscussions. Especially when referring to POY shoutouts. While your man might have had a good season, your speaking a totolly different language. Will someone please start a "B" conference blog, so Foty can cast a vote or be heard!! All this said with no disrespect truely but your man would be chum for A confer. defenses. Ps...Better take your shots this year while Curly is having off year.

foty · #31 11-09-2009, 02:55 PM

polyalum

Have you seen St. Claire ? Doubt it. He could play with anyone in the mighty "A" conf.

GREYHOUND ALUM · #32 11-09-2009, 03:27 PM

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polyalum

Have you seen St. Claire ? Doubt it. He could play with anyone in the mighty "A" conf.

I am not putting the kid down but to say he can play with anyone in the A conf. is a very bold statement! I have never seen him play in person but I am very familiar with the young man and his stats but if some of the other players in the A played against those teams, it would get real ugly. St.Clair and Steele from Boys Latin are two really good players and can definitely play in the A but would they be Superstars in the A? I would say no. Good Players, sure but not Stars.

polylum84 · #33 11-09-2009, 04:59 PM

Thankyou GA, not trying to disrespect St. Clair and your opinions, no doubt he is a good athlete, but put him in against the A conference and he would not even be considered or mentioned as an MVP type player. Have not seen him live but have seen in on film against a few B confer. foes and looked like you could drive a bus through those holes and i do mean swiss cheese like. I'm sure he could be a good player on some A conf. teams, most likely on the defensive side of the ball, definately not on any offense backfield. The size, speed and strenght on the defenses he would see vs Gilman, Loyola, McDonogh, GPrep, CHC and usually Mt St Jo's doesn't even come close. These schools have very good athletes across the board, not just 2 or 3 player good players. Thats where the swiss cheese factor comes into play. You bascially need to take these 1 or 2 players out and its all over. Seen footage of St. Clair running, an on some of his runs he went straight up the middle untouched. That wasn't even the funny part. There was no speed on the field to even caught him. Good player, yes, MVP, not a chance. On the other hand, we'll just call it ignorance on your part, not disrespect, cause that's your B bubble world you livin in. Your excused! Hmm.... Let me see vote for Darius Jenning/Gilman, Rudy Johnson/McDonogh, Bobby Gribbon/GPrep, hey how bout that St.Clair kid. Do you see how ridicules this looks and sounds. Let's just say All-Harford county, and we'll call it even.

prepfan · #34 11-09-2009, 06:08 PM

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Originally Posted by polylum84

Thankyou GA, not trying to disrespect St. Clair and your opinions, no doubt he is a good athlete, but put him in against the A conference and he would not even be considered or mentioned as an MVP type player. Have not seen him live but have seen in on film against a few B confer. foes and looked like you could drive a bus through those holes and i do mean swiss cheese like. I'm sure he could be a good player on some A conf. teams, most likely on the defensive side of the ball, definately not on any offense backfield. The size, speed and strenght on the defenses he would see vs Gilman, Loyola, McDonogh, GPrep, CHC and usually Mt St Jo's doesn't even come close. These schools have very good athletes across the board, not just 2 or 3 player good players. Thats where the swiss cheese factor comes into play. You bascially need to take these 1 or 2 players out and its all over. Seen footage of St. Clair running, an on some of his runs he went straight up the middle untouched. That wasn't even the funny part. There was no speed on the field to even caught him. Good player, yes, MVP, not a chance. On the other hand, we'll just call it ignorance on your part, not disrespect, cause that's your B bubble world you livin in. Your excused! Hmm.... Let me see vote for Darius Jenning/Gilman, Rudy Johnson/McDonogh, Bobby Gribbon/GPrep, hey how bout that St.Clair kid. Do you see how ridicules this looks and sounds. Let's just say All-Harford county, and we'll call it even.

It's all speculation, pure speculation .

Put the kid behind Gilman's O-Line and using Poggi's schemes and who knows what the results would be. What if Cosh had Loyola's line or McDonogh's receivers ?

As for Jennings "proving" he is POY with performances against Dematha and Good Council; did you consider that perhaps those defenses did not have to go at the full gear. There is no determining what difference that half-step or quarter-step not initiated makes. Dematha clearly was winning the game, were facing Good Council next. Even the best of the best might only go at 7/8 and drop off that quarter-step.

IT IS ALL SPECULATION. No one can PROVE elsewise. POY is an award, just like the Heisman, an Oscar, or a grammy and there's a Kanye somewhere to jump the stage regardless who gets the award.

Day_Walker · #35 11-09-2009, 06:26 PM

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Originally Posted by mlf1886

Cosh deserves to get offensive player of the year as I said before and if Austin wasn't playing last year he would have THE offensive player of the year award for the State and in the baltimore metro area.

Come on mlf, I let this go the first time but you repeated this Tavon statement. If I still had a year of eligibility then I would have won POTY for the state but I wasn't eligible and couldn't play. The same goes for IF TAVON had not played last year then Cosh would have won last year. That is ridiculous. Tavon played and won the award or whomever else really won it.

I would have no problem what so ever if Jennings won or Cosh. I could even go with co-POTY for this year.

GREYHOUND ALUM · #36 11-09-2009, 06:26 PM

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Originally Posted by prepfan

It's all speculation, pure speculation .

Put the kid behind Gilman's O-Line and using Poggi's schemes and who knows what the results would be. What if Cosh had Loyola's line or McDonogh's receivers ?

As for Jennings "proving" he is POY with performances against Dematha and Good Council; did you consider that perhaps those defenses did not have to go at the full gear. There is no determining what difference that half-step or quarter-step not initiated makes. Dematha clearly was winning the game, were facing Good Council next. Even the best of the best might only go at 7/8 and drop off that quarter-step.

IT IS ALL SPECULATION. No one can PROVE elsewise. POY is an award, just like the Heisman, an Oscar, or a grammy and there's a Kanye somewhere to jump the stage regardless who gets the award.

What are talking about? 1st off, Dematha didn't play Good Counsel until a month after Gilman. Gilman was the team that played GC next! Secondly, Gilman was beating Dematha and BEAT them last year. To say that Dematha was playing anything but full speed might be the dumbest post I have seen on here. GC+Gilman was close for the whole game. Go back and read what GC's coaches and players said about Gilman and Jennings!

And what an idiotic thing to say that Jennings is anything besides a SUPER ATHLETE! Jennings made HIGH D1 players look silly, Nationally Ranked teams! What do you think he would have done in the B conference? I mean you can't be serious? Is your hate for Gilman that strong?

prepfan · #37 11-09-2009, 06:44 PM

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Originally Posted by GREYHOUND ALUM

What are talking about? 1st off, Dematha didn't play Good Counsel until a month after Gilman. Gilman was the team that played GC next! Secondly, Gilman was beating Dematha and BEAT them last year. To say that Dematha was playing anything but full speed might be the dumbest post I have seen on here. GC+Gilman was close for the whole game. Go back and read what GC's coaches and players said about Gilman and Jennings!

And what an idiotic thing to say that Jennings is anything besides a SUPER ATHLETE! Jennings made HIGH D1 players look silly, Nationally Ranked teams! What do you think he would have done in the B conference? I mean you can't be serious? Is your hate for Gilman that strong?

I know it's futile, but calm down dude. I never said anything about Jennings not being a super athlete. I may not have worshipped him the way you do but .... never mind you aren't really worth the time. { no, I don't hate Gilman, I am not a Loyola person, I do not care what your history on here is (to any degree beyond how overboard you have gone) and blah blah blah).

I stand by my point that this is all nothing more than bulletin board speculation. The awards will be named.

GREYHOUND ALUM · #38 11-09-2009, 06:54 PM

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Originally Posted by prepfan

I know it's futile, but calm down dude. I never said anything about Jennings not being a super athlete. I may not have worshipped him the way you do but .... never mind you aren't really worth the time. { no, I don't hate Gilman, I am not a Loyola person, I do not care what your history on here is (to any degree beyond how overboard you have gone) and blah blah blah).

I stand by my point that this is all nothing more than bulletin board speculation. The awards will be named.

I don't know if you are a Loyola person or not, I didn't say you were. My point is you made stupid comments insinuating that Dematha+Good Counsel weren't playing their hardest against Gilman, which is just CRAZY! Also insinuating that Jennings success stems from something outside of what the FACTS ARE, he's just that good! You don't do what he did this year without being that good.

As far as things being speculation, you are right no one knows for sure what would happen. But you can make an educated guess.

youknow AHIGH · #39 11-10-2009, 11:39 AM

what do you think the score will be for Arundel and Annapolis on Friday do you think Annapolis is going to put up some point or what?..........