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The Six Problems With Modern Liberalism

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http://townhall.com/columnists/JohnHawkins/2009/05/19/the_six_problems_with_modern_liberalism

 

"Liberals love to think of themselves as sophisticated, nuanced intellectuals, but the truth is they have a kindergartner’s view of the world. If it has been defined as "nice" to people they like, they're for it. If it has been defined as "mean" to people they like, they’re against it -- and that is about as deep as it gets. Unfortunately, that lack of adult perspective isn't so cute in political leaders who are making life and death decisions that may still have ramifications fifty years from now.

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There is no dream more eternal in the liberal heart than completely remaking human nature. If we could all just care about the person across the world as much as we do our families, we could live in a utopia! Unfortunately, in practice, human nature tends to be quite a bit more difficult to subvert than in the liberal imagination. That's why, despite more than 5,000 years of human civilization, very little progress has been made in this area – but, oh, the Left is still trying. One day, if they just spend enough money on the right government programs, all the wars will end and everyone will be living in identical million dollar mansions while we spend our days humming tunes from the latest Woodstock Tribute Album."

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Talk about someone who missed Jesus' message.

 

Your "liberal" comment is a great segue into one of the writer's points :):

 

5) "Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother's eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye." -- Matthew 7:3-5: Despite the fact that liberals love few things better than to cry "hypocrisy," there is a rather bizarre disconnect between what modern liberals seem to believe about themselves and how they behave. Liberals believe that they're compassionate, but only with other people's money.

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http://townhall.com/columnists/JohnHawkins/2009/05/19/the_six_problems_with_modern_liberalism

 

"Liberals love to think of themselves as sophisticated, nuanced intellectuals, but the truth is they have a kindergartner’s view of the world. If it has been defined as "nice" to people they like, they're for it. If it has been defined as "mean" to people they like, they’re against it -- and that is about as deep as it gets. Unfortunately, that lack of adult perspective isn't so cute in political leaders who are making life and death decisions that may still have ramifications fifty years from now.

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There is no dream more eternal in the liberal heart than completely remaking human nature. If we could all just care about the person across the world as much as we do our families, we could live in a utopia! Unfortunately, in practice, human nature tends to be quite a bit more difficult to subvert than in the liberal imagination. That's why, despite more than 5,000 years of human civilization, very little progress has been made in this area – but, oh, the Left is still trying. One day, if they just spend enough money on the right government programs, all the wars will end and everyone will be living in identical million dollar mansions while we spend our days humming tunes from the latest Woodstock Tribute Album."

 

Just six problems? Man, you're being very generous!

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Your "liberal" comment is a great segue into one of the writer's points :):

 

"Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother's eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye." -- Matthew 7:3-5:

 

Actually the above quote fit the Repubs to a T. They claim to be the moral majority with the "holier than thou " attitude and see everybody else's faults while busy covering up their dirt.

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Actually the above quote fit the Repubs to a T. They claim to be the moral majority with the "holier than thou " attitude and see everybody else's faults while busy covering up their dirt.

 

It's because the Republicans Party claims to hold the moral high ground that the party has been held accountable in elections.

 

If a democrat lies or cheats or has moral issues they aren't held accountable because no one expects them to tell the truth, be honest or act morally. ;).

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It's so cute watching conservatives trying to figure things out. Hopeless, but cute. It's like watching a kid make mudpies in the yard and then proclaim that one of the six problems bakers have is that their cakes are so muddy.

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You can sum up much of what is wrong with modern liberalism with the realization that they're 19th century thinkers who believe in a clockwork universe. The idea that some issues must necessarily lie outside logic and reason is anathema to them, even though this very premise can be demonstrated via logic and reason.

 

So when they encounter demonstrable uncertainty, they immediately reject it in favor of faulty reasoning which comforts them. In this sense, they've adapted a peculiar view of 'science' into a pseudo-religion.

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http://townhall.com/columnists/JohnHawkins/2009/05/19/the_six_problems_with_modern_liberalism

 

"Liberals love to think of themselves as sophisticated, nuanced intellectuals, but the truth is they have a kindergartner’s view of the world. If it has been defined as "nice" to people they like, they're for it. If it has been defined as "mean" to people they like, they’re against it -- and that is about as deep as it gets. Unfortunately, that lack of adult perspective isn't so cute in political leaders who are making life and death decisions that may still have ramifications fifty years from now.

...

There is no dream more eternal in the liberal heart than completely remaking human nature. If we could all just care about the person across the world as much as we do our families, we could live in a utopia! Unfortunately, in practice, human nature tends to be quite a bit more difficult to subvert than in the liberal imagination. That's why, despite more than 5,000 years of human civilization, very little progress has been made in this area – but, oh, the Left is still trying. One day, if they just spend enough money on the right government programs, all the wars will end and everyone will be living in identical million dollar mansions while we spend our days humming tunes from the latest Woodstock Tribute Album."

 

It sounds like a jealous crowd to me. :P

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If Republicans spent less time worrying about the rights or wrongs of Liberalism and more time sorting out their own problems, failures and disasters, they might have a chance of becoming electable again. As for the rightist mindless trolls on here, well, I fear it's too late to help any of them.

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If Republicans spent less time worrying about the rights or wrongs of Liberalism and more time sorting out their own problems, failures and disasters, they might have a chance of becoming electable again. As for the rightist mindless trolls on here, well, I fear it's too late to help any of them.

 

AND they call Liberals 19th Century thinkers.....

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If Republicans spent less time worrying about the rights or wrongs of Liberalism and more time sorting out their own problems, failures and disasters, they might have a chance of becoming electable again. As for the rightist mindless trolls on here, well, I fear it's too late to help any of them.

Liberalism is very much a drug like heroin, in that it looks great, makes you feel good while you are high, but conceals the addiction and destruction inherent it it's use. The culture of today is fast becoming addicted to the government handouts, the complete lack of responsibility for one's own life, and the idea that government knows far better than you do what's best for you, and how you should be living. They are completely blind to the destruction that is almost here.

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You can sum up much of what is wrong with modern liberalism with the realization that they're 19th century thinkers who believe in a clockwork universe. The idea that some issues must necessarily lie outside logic and reason is anathema to them, even though this very premise can be demonstrated via logic and reason.

 

So when they encounter demonstrable uncertainty, they immediately reject it in favor of faulty reasoning which comforts them. In this sense, they've adapted a peculiar view of 'science' into a pseudo-religion.

 

You mean something like bloodclotting cascade or bacterium flagellum and saying 'therefore it was my magic invisible friend' and befre that dna and before that and before that...oops...

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You can sum up much of what is wrong with modern liberalism with the realization that they're 19th century thinkers who believe in a clockwork universe. The idea that some issues must necessarily lie outside logic and reason is anathema to them, even though this very premise can be demonstrated via logic and reason.

 

So when they encounter demonstrable uncertainty, they immediately reject it in favor of faulty reasoning which comforts them. In this sense, they've adapted a peculiar view of 'science' into a pseudo-religion.

 

And yet one of the other right-wing critiques of liberals is that they are too "relativist," that they're not dogmatic enough in their religious beliefs.

 

You've basically just taken a description of right-wing evangelicals and applied it to liberals. It makes no sense.

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Just six problems? Man, you're being very generous!

 

I did not write the column, but I am sure that the author would like you to e-mail him that comment.

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If Republicans spent less time worrying about the rights or wrongs of Liberalism and more time sorting out their own problems, failures and disasters, they might have a chance of becoming electable again. As for the rightist mindless trolls on here, well, I fear it's too late to help any of them.

 

Mindless? You must be looking at a picture of Lyberals, I meAn, Progressyves.

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Here's my six problems with modern liberalism:

 

Karl Marx

Vladimir Lenin

Joseph Stalin

The Communist Manifesto

Barack Obama

The Democratic Party

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Mindless? You must be looking at a picture of Lyberals, I meAn, Progressyves.

 

I'm looking straight at you kid... and I don't think that I've ever come across a more perfect example of a total waste of space before.

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... the truth is they have a kindergartner’s view of the world...

 

"I really do believe that we will be greeted as liberators." -- **** Cheney, on Iraq

 

"It could last six days, six weeks. I doubt six months." -- Donald Rumsfeld, on Iraq

 

"I looked the man in the eye. I was able to get a sense of his soul." -- GW Bush, on Putin

 

"States like these, and their terrorist allies, constitute an axis of evil." -- GW Bush, on geopolitical reality

 

"They're our next-door neighbors, and you can actually see Russia from land here in Alaska, from an island in Alaska." -- Sarah Palin, on her foreign policy credentials

 

"It is obvious to me who the good guys are in this one and who the bad guys are." -- Sarah Palin, on Middle East relations

 

A kindergarten view, indeed.

 

There seems to be a trend (in overall neocon society and in this thread) of taking critiques of the far right and trying to re-direct them toward others. The standard critique of liberals is that they see too many "shades of gray"; but now that seeing complexities is an asset, not a detriment, the critique is that they're too simple in their views.

 

No one's buying it.

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"I really do believe that we will be greeted as liberators." -- **** Cheney, on Iraq

In many cases, we were. In most others, it was Wahabbists that resisted, and the general populace was neutral.

"It could last six days, six weeks. I doubt six months." -- Donald Rumsfeld, on Iraq

The war itself lasted about 6 weeks. The occupation and developement of a stable government has lasted much longer. By the way, how long have we been in the Balkans?

"I looked the man in the eye. I was able to get a sense of his soul." -- GW Bush, on Putin

 

"States like these, and their terrorist allies, constitute an axis of evil." -- GW Bush, on geopolitical reality

And they do.

"They're our next-door neighbors, and you can actually see Russia from land here in Alaska, from an island in Alaska." -- Sarah Palin, on her foreign policy credentials

I see you take SNL as a "news" source. Of course, given the credibility of CNN, NBC, ABC, ect, they are.

"It is obvious to me who the good guys are in this one and who the bad guys are." -- Sarah Palin, on Middle East relations

 

A kindergarten view, indeed.

Yet the Left can't tell who the good guys are.

There seems to be a trend (in overall neocon society and in this thread) of taking critiques of the far right and trying to re-direct them toward others. The standard critique of liberals is that they see too many "shades of gray"; but now that seeing complexities is an asset, not a detriment, the critique is that they're too simple in their views.

 

No one's buying it.

The "critiques" of the Right are aimed at destroying any personal responsibility, personal liberty, and any personal control over our own lives. It's a technique directly from Saul Alynski, designed to force Marxism on us all by preventing any and all intelligent discussion on any subject, since injecting intelligence into the discussion automatically destroys the Left's arguments.

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"Liberals hate religion because politics is a religion substitute for liberals and they can't stand the competition."

 

If someone lacks the perception to distinguish between Liberalism and Socialism then they loose any credibility I may have been willing to assume they had as the benefit of a doubt.

 

And for all the problems with liberalism that conservatives like to talk about, I wonder how they explain liberal victories in recent elections.

 

Researcher - out of curiosity, why do you keep saying "Lyberal, I mean Progressyve" in so many threads? Liberal has been used to refer to many political movements over the years, including some that are what we call Libertarians today, so Progressive is in some ways more accurate. I doubt that's your purpose though.

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If someone lacks the perception to distinguish between Liberalism and Socialism then they loose any credibility I may have been willing to assume they had as the benefit of a doubt.

 

And for all the problems with liberalism that conservatives like to talk about, I wonder how they explain liberal victories in recent elections.

 

Researcher - out of curiosity, why do you keep saying "Lyberal, I mean Progressyve" in so many threads? Liberal has been used to refer to many political movements over the years, including some that are what we call Libertarians today, so Progressive is in some ways more accurate. I doubt that's your purpose though.

Public education, that prevents the formation of any critical thinking skills, and a generation that feels "entitled" to the produce of other's labor. All thanks to Leftist indoctrination.

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Public education, that prevents the formation of any critical thinking skills, and a generation that feels "entitled" to the produce of other's labor. All thanks to Leftist indoctrination.

 

Do you have a clue what the difference between real Leftists and Liberals is?

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And yet one of the other right-wing critiques of liberals is that they are too "relativist," that they're not dogmatic enough in their religious beliefs.

 

You've basically just taken a description of right-wing evangelicals and applied it to liberals. It makes no sense.

 

It makes a great deal of sense once you realize that what might be termed the 'unknown space' is occupied by formal religion amongst the right-wing evangelicals. Amongst leftists, it's occupied by political dogma.

 

In the former case, right-wing evangelicals generally acknowledge their religion as specifically irrational. They do not claim the Bible is science (for the most part).

 

The difficulty with liberals is that they do claim their dogma is scientific and rational, and this severely undermines actual science and reason.

For both, uncertainty is anathema. But only one of these groups is a danger to people who actually have to deal with uncertainty on a practical basis - the one that claims that their irrational beliefs actually constitute a logical structure.

 

Indeed, this is why liberals are often so bewildered by conservatives. Conservatives tend to defy labels because their approach to the 'unknown space' isn't to blindly apply dogmatic solutions but to apply intuition and experience. To a large extent, anyone who calls themselves a 'progressive' in the modern occupies a spectrum of belief from 'fundamentalist Marxist' to 'reform Marxist' - even though they may not have the education necessary to recognize the links.

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