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#1 Researcher

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Posted 19 May 2009 - 07:15 AM

http://townhall.com/...dern_liberalism

"Liberals love to think of themselves as sophisticated, nuanced intellectuals, but the truth is they have a kindergartner’s view of the world. If it has been defined as "nice" to people they like, they're for it. If it has been defined as "mean" to people they like, they’re against it -- and that is about as deep as it gets. Unfortunately, that lack of adult perspective isn't so cute in political leaders who are making life and death decisions that may still have ramifications fifty years from now.
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There is no dream more eternal in the liberal heart than completely remaking human nature. If we could all just care about the person across the world as much as we do our families, we could live in a utopia! Unfortunately, in practice, human nature tends to be quite a bit more difficult to subvert than in the liberal imagination. That's why, despite more than 5,000 years of human civilization, very little progress has been made in this area – but, oh, the Left is still trying. One day, if they just spend enough money on the right government programs, all the wars will end and everyone will be living in identical million dollar mansions while we spend our days humming tunes from the latest Woodstock Tribute Album."
"But as long as the nation is obsessed with historic milestones, is no one going to remark on what a great country it is where a mentally retarded woman can become speaker of the house?" - Ann Coulter

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#2 Brendathrall

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Posted 19 May 2009 - 07:22 AM

Talk about someone who missed Jesus' message.

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Posted 19 May 2009 - 08:01 AM

Talk about someone who missed Jesus' message.


Your "liberal" comment is a great segue into one of the writer's points :):

5) "Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother's eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye." -- Matthew 7:3-5: Despite the fact that liberals love few things better than to cry "hypocrisy," there is a rather bizarre disconnect between what modern liberals seem to believe about themselves and how they behave. Liberals believe that they're compassionate, but only with other people's money.



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Posted 19 May 2009 - 08:04 AM

http://townhall.com/...dern_liberalism

"Liberals love to think of themselves as sophisticated, nuanced intellectuals, but the truth is they have a kindergartner’s view of the world. If it has been defined as "nice" to people they like, they're for it. If it has been defined as "mean" to people they like, they’re against it -- and that is about as deep as it gets. Unfortunately, that lack of adult perspective isn't so cute in political leaders who are making life and death decisions that may still have ramifications fifty years from now.
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There is no dream more eternal in the liberal heart than completely remaking human nature. If we could all just care about the person across the world as much as we do our families, we could live in a utopia! Unfortunately, in practice, human nature tends to be quite a bit more difficult to subvert than in the liberal imagination. That's why, despite more than 5,000 years of human civilization, very little progress has been made in this area – but, oh, the Left is still trying. One day, if they just spend enough money on the right government programs, all the wars will end and everyone will be living in identical million dollar mansions while we spend our days humming tunes from the latest Woodstock Tribute Album."


Just six problems? Man, you're being very generous!
The U.S. Supreme Court has ruled in Haynes v U.S. (390, U.S. 85, 1968) that criminals are legally exempt from any form of firearms licensing and firearms registration on 5th amendment grounds. What do you call a government that recognizes Constitutional rights for criminals, but can not grasp the definition of "...the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed" for law-abiding citizens?

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Posted 19 May 2009 - 08:24 AM

Your "liberal" comment is a great segue into one of the writer's points :):


"Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother's eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye." -- Matthew 7:3-5:


Actually the above quote fit the Repubs to a T. They claim to be the moral majority with the "holier than thou " attitude and see everybody else's faults while busy covering up their dirt.
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Posted 19 May 2009 - 08:43 AM

Actually the above quote fit the Repubs to a T. They claim to be the moral majority with the "holier than thou " attitude and see everybody else's faults while busy covering up their dirt.


It's because the Republicans Party claims to hold the moral high ground that the party has been held accountable in elections.

If a democrat lies or cheats or has moral issues they aren't held accountable because no one expects them to tell the truth, be honest or act morally. ;).

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Posted 19 May 2009 - 08:52 AM

There are only six?:P
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Posted 19 May 2009 - 08:53 AM

It's so cute watching conservatives trying to figure things out. Hopeless, but cute. It's like watching a kid make mudpies in the yard and then proclaim that one of the six problems bakers have is that their cakes are so muddy.

Edited by Calamari, 19 May 2009 - 09:05 AM.

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Posted 19 May 2009 - 08:54 AM

You can sum up much of what is wrong with modern liberalism with the realization that they're 19th century thinkers who believe in a clockwork universe. The idea that some issues must necessarily lie outside logic and reason is anathema to them, even though this very premise can be demonstrated via logic and reason.

So when they encounter demonstrable uncertainty, they immediately reject it in favor of faulty reasoning which comforts them. In this sense, they've adapted a peculiar view of 'science' into a pseudo-religion.

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Posted 19 May 2009 - 08:58 AM

http://townhall.com/...dern_liberalism

"Liberals love to think of themselves as sophisticated, nuanced intellectuals, but the truth is they have a kindergartner’s view of the world. If it has been defined as "nice" to people they like, they're for it. If it has been defined as "mean" to people they like, they’re against it -- and that is about as deep as it gets. Unfortunately, that lack of adult perspective isn't so cute in political leaders who are making life and death decisions that may still have ramifications fifty years from now.
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There is no dream more eternal in the liberal heart than completely remaking human nature. If we could all just care about the person across the world as much as we do our families, we could live in a utopia! Unfortunately, in practice, human nature tends to be quite a bit more difficult to subvert than in the liberal imagination. That's why, despite more than 5,000 years of human civilization, very little progress has been made in this area – but, oh, the Left is still trying. One day, if they just spend enough money on the right government programs, all the wars will end and everyone will be living in identical million dollar mansions while we spend our days humming tunes from the latest Woodstock Tribute Album."


It sounds like a jealous crowd to me. :P

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Posted 19 May 2009 - 09:36 AM

If Republicans spent less time worrying about the rights or wrongs of Liberalism and more time sorting out their own problems, failures and disasters, they might have a chance of becoming electable again. As for the rightist mindless trolls on here, well, I fear it's too late to help any of them.
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Posted 19 May 2009 - 09:41 AM

If Republicans spent less time worrying about the rights or wrongs of Liberalism and more time sorting out their own problems, failures and disasters, they might have a chance of becoming electable again. As for the rightist mindless trolls on here, well, I fear it's too late to help any of them.


AND they call Liberals 19th Century thinkers.....
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Posted 19 May 2009 - 09:45 AM

If Republicans spent less time worrying about the rights or wrongs of Liberalism and more time sorting out their own problems, failures and disasters, they might have a chance of becoming electable again. As for the rightist mindless trolls on here, well, I fear it's too late to help any of them.

Liberalism is very much a drug like heroin, in that it looks great, makes you feel good while you are high, but conceals the addiction and destruction inherent it it's use. The culture of today is fast becoming addicted to the government handouts, the complete lack of responsibility for one's own life, and the idea that government knows far better than you do what's best for you, and how you should be living. They are completely blind to the destruction that is almost here.
War is an ugly thing, but not the ugliest of things. The decayed and degraded state of moral and patriotic feeling which thinks that nothing is worth war is much worse. The person who has nothing for which he is willing to fight, nothing which is more important than his own personal safety, is a miserable creature and has no chance of being free unless made and kept so by the exertions of better men than himself.
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Posted 19 May 2009 - 09:49 AM

You can sum up much of what is wrong with modern liberalism with the realization that they're 19th century thinkers who believe in a clockwork universe. The idea that some issues must necessarily lie outside logic and reason is anathema to them, even though this very premise can be demonstrated via logic and reason.

So when they encounter demonstrable uncertainty, they immediately reject it in favor of faulty reasoning which comforts them. In this sense, they've adapted a peculiar view of 'science' into a pseudo-religion.


You mean something like bloodclotting cascade or bacterium flagellum and saying 'therefore it was my magic invisible friend' and befre that dna and before that and before that...oops...

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Posted 19 May 2009 - 09:59 AM

You can sum up much of what is wrong with modern liberalism with the realization that they're 19th century thinkers who believe in a clockwork universe. The idea that some issues must necessarily lie outside logic and reason is anathema to them, even though this very premise can be demonstrated via logic and reason.

So when they encounter demonstrable uncertainty, they immediately reject it in favor of faulty reasoning which comforts them. In this sense, they've adapted a peculiar view of 'science' into a pseudo-religion.


And yet one of the other right-wing critiques of liberals is that they are too "relativist," that they're not dogmatic enough in their religious beliefs.

You've basically just taken a description of right-wing evangelicals and applied it to liberals. It makes no sense.
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Posted 19 May 2009 - 10:00 AM

Just six problems? Man, you're being very generous!


I did not write the column, but I am sure that the author would like you to e-mail him that comment.
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Posted 19 May 2009 - 10:02 AM

If Republicans spent less time worrying about the rights or wrongs of Liberalism and more time sorting out their own problems, failures and disasters, they might have a chance of becoming electable again. As for the rightist mindless trolls on here, well, I fear it's too late to help any of them.


Mindless? You must be looking at a picture of Lyberals, I meAn, Progressyves.
"But as long as the nation is obsessed with historic milestones, is no one going to remark on what a great country it is where a mentally retarded woman can become speaker of the house?" - Ann Coulter

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Posted 19 May 2009 - 10:03 AM

Here's my six problems with modern liberalism:

Karl Marx
Vladimir Lenin
Joseph Stalin
The Communist Manifesto
Barack Obama
The Democratic Party

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Posted 19 May 2009 - 10:04 AM

Mindless? You must be looking at a picture of Lyberals, I meAn, Progressyves.


I'm looking straight at you kid... and I don't think that I've ever come across a more perfect example of a total waste of space before.
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Posted 19 May 2009 - 10:22 AM

... the truth is they have a kindergartner’s view of the world...


"I really do believe that we will be greeted as liberators." -- **** Cheney, on Iraq

"It could last six days, six weeks. I doubt six months." -- Donald Rumsfeld, on Iraq

"I looked the man in the eye. I was able to get a sense of his soul." -- GW Bush, on Putin

"States like these, and their terrorist allies, constitute an axis of evil." -- GW Bush, on geopolitical reality

"They're our next-door neighbors, and you can actually see Russia from land here in Alaska, from an island in Alaska." -- Sarah Palin, on her foreign policy credentials

"It is obvious to me who the good guys are in this one and who the bad guys are." -- Sarah Palin, on Middle East relations

A kindergarten view, indeed.

There seems to be a trend (in overall neocon society and in this thread) of taking critiques of the far right and trying to re-direct them toward others. The standard critique of liberals is that they see too many "shades of gray"; but now that seeing complexities is an asset, not a detriment, the critique is that they're too simple in their views.

No one's buying it.
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