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...and the dirty, fat, disease spreading $%&@s over at USASG didn't take long to realize we were watching them.

 

The amazing part is they really can insist with a straight face they're not hurting anyone or anything and that we all should just mind our own business. Sorry guys...your right to throw a punch stops at my chin, and if you're empowering the drug trade, you're hurting all of us.

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Are the city police really that ineffective that the citizens need to resort to this? What happened to undercover female officers and putting these guys behind bars? Did they quit after a certain local news man was busted?

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Any video?? If so, the link didn't work.

 

BTW, the city could care less about ho's and Johns. There is one unit with maybe 6 or 8 folks who do that stuff. EVERYTHING is now geared toward reducing the homicide rate and shootings because THAT is what the bosses ask about at Comstat.

 

They don't ask about ho's at Comstat unless they are dead. They aren't even a stat!!

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...and the dirty, fat, disease spreading $%&@s over at USASG didn't take long to realize we were watching them.

 

The amazing part is they really can insist with a straight face they're not hurting anyone or anything and that we all should just mind our own business. Sorry guys...your right to throw a punch stops at my chin, and if you're empowering the drug trade, you're hurting all of us.

 

Come on now... blackdawn is just trying to make a livin' :rolleyes:

 

Keep up the good work - I don't want them on my corner either...

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Yup, the USASG guys don't like everyday folk even knowing about that message board...so I like everyone knowing it's there :).

 

There are individuals who work for BPD who head up vice units that I'm in touch with...and they do *get it*. Prostitution powers the drug trade in many areas, including Pigtown, BP, Patterson Park areas. Deflate it and you deflate the drug trade and slow down murders.

 

Take care of the little stuff and the big stuff takes care of itself. I hate to admit Rudy Giuliani is right about anything, but he was right about that.

 

So yes, there is a site where the disgusting old men (and almost to a tee, these guys picking up the toothless hookers are 45-70, driving beater vehicles, and generally old fat white guys with a few old fat black guys thrown in...have had one Hispanic, a few Indians/Pakistanis, and even some Asians...being a john has no ethnic boundaries, though most of them are white) trade notes on which toothless addict woman is best to take advantage of.

 

These women are victims of their own addiction and a society that doesn't treat addiction very well. The problems that face Baltimore won't get better as long as we look the other way while the johns do their thing. Period.

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Like your really going to make prostitution go away :rolleyes:

I suppose you have an improvement for the wheel as well.

 

I doubt that GP thinks his group can stop prostitution but they can get it out of their neighborhood. Crime thrives where it is tolerated. I am going to go out on a limb and guess that there are not hookers walking the street in front of your house or your child's school.

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I doubt that GP thinks his group can stop prostitution but they can get it out of their neighborhood. Crime thrives where it is tolerated. I am going to go out on a limb and guess that there are not hookers walking the street in front of your house or your child's school.

 

There are parts of Nevada that don't have that problem at all. But those areas have also legalized prostitution.

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Like your really going to make prostitution go away :rolleyes:

I suppose you have an improvment for the wheel as well.

Like we said we're going to make it go away. Reading comp issues? :rolleyes:

 

We never said we're going to make it go away. But we have in the past and will again in the future make it stop happening in broad daylight on streets in our neighborhood.

 

I don't doubt nor care whether it happens elsewhere--but it doesn't have to happen where it does in Pigtown, right next to a school and church on Ward and Bayard. They can take it elsewhere.

 

The difference between making it go away and making it go away from here is obvious to anyone who isn't an idiot. It never fails...start doing something positive for Baltimore and there'll be an anonymous clown sounding off about how you shouldn't be. I think some people get their negativity delivered intravenously.

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The difference between making it go away and making it go away from here is obvious to anyone who isn't an idiot. It never fails...start doing something positive for Baltimore and there'll be an anonymous clown sounding off about how you shouldn't be. I think some people get their negativity delivered intravenously.

 

More power to you. I'm just shocked that the people you pay all those sky high taxes to, city government, can't or won't do anything about it.

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Like we said we're going to make it go away. Reading comp issues? :rolleyes:

 

We never said we're going to make it go away. But we have in the past and will again in the future make it stop happening in broad daylight on streets in our neighborhood.

 

I don't doubt nor care whether it happens elsewhere--but it doesn't have to happen where it does in Pigtown, right next to a school and church on Ward and Bayard. They can take it elsewhere.

 

The difference between making it go away and making it go away from here is obvious to anyone who isn't an idiot. It never fails...start doing something positive for Baltimore and there'll be an anonymous clown sounding off about how you shouldn't be. I think some people get their negativity delivered intravenously.

 

So as long as it's gone from your view and area, you could care less if it's happening next to somebody else's school and church? Just wanted to clarify where you really stand on this issue.

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So as long as it's gone from your view and area, you could care less if it's happening next to somebody else's school and church? Just wanted to clarify where you really stand on this issue.

 

Why can't it be regulated and legalized like in other places? Why not tax it to pay for healthcare for the women involved and have it sanctioned in specifically zoned areas?

 

In the meantime, why not take it down the street to the abandoned industrialized areas of Carroll Camden where there are no schools and churches? There are a lot of places it can go besides here that aren't residential where it wouldn't really be an eyesore or a problem...the problem is the johns in question (who, BTW, have a fondness for screen names from The Big Lebowski...coincidence, I'm sure) and the girls have refused to go where no one will care. They *like* being here. Time for them to go where people don't care and away from places were people do.

 

And yes...my neighborhood is my responsibility, your neighborhood is yours. My primary concern is getting it out of mine. What's wrong with that? I can't stop drug addiction and prostitution wholesale even if I wanted to. I can't fix everything that ails Baltimore single-handedly (well...I probably could if appointed dictator, but I'm a little busy to plan a coup) and I'm pretty clearly not suggesting I can save all of you and solve all your problems, dear fellow Baltimoreans. I'm simply saying I can save the six block radius from my house with the help of BPD. If everyone did the same and gave a **** about where they lived...Baltimore would be a lot better off.

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So if it is legalized you would be fine with a brothel next door as long as it is legal???

 

Why can't it be regulated and legalized like in other places? Why not tax it to pay for healthcare for the women involved and have it sanctioned in specifically zoned areas?

 

In the meantime, why not take it down the street to the abandoned industrialized areas of Carroll Camden where there are no schools and churches? There are a lot of places it can go besides here that aren't residential where it wouldn't really be an eyesore or a problem...the problem is the johns in question (who, BTW, have a fondness for screen names from The Big Lebowski...coincidence, I'm sure) and the girls have refused to go where no one will care. They *like* being here. Time for them to go where people don't care and away from places were people do.

 

And yes...my neighborhood is my responsibility, your neighborhood is yours. My primary concern is getting it out of mine. What's wrong with that? I can't stop drug addiction and prostitution wholesale even if I wanted to. I can't fix everything that ails Baltimore single-handedly (well...I probably could if appointed dictator, but I'm a little busy to plan a coup) and I'm pretty clearly not suggesting I can save all of you and solve all your problems, dear fellow Baltimoreans. I'm simply saying I can save the six block radius from my house with the help of BPD. If everyone did the same and gave a **** about where they lived...Baltimore would be a lot better off.

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So if it is legalized you would be fine with a brothel next door as long as it is legal???

 

Street prostitution is a _very_ different beast than brothels even though they are superficially "the same business".

 

FWIW, I understand that most prostitution is discreetly mediated through phone/internet contacts. While distasteful, such activity is not readily visible and detrimental to a neighborhood.

 

Street prostitution is what you have when someone reaches the end of their rope as far as drug addiction is concerned.

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So if it is legalized you would be fine with a brothel next door as long as it is legal???

 

Pretty sure the zoning board wouldn't put brothels right next door. Why not put it where the Block is (from what I read, it's pretty much already a red light district where you can have sex and beejays in the backroom anyway...so what's the big deal?) or in an industrial district (like I said a few times already)? There are plenty of abandoned or under utilized industrial areas in this town...it ain't like we have hookers next door because we're running out of places for them. Duh. But yeah, had I choice between regulated and taxed prostitution vs street hooker addicts...it's not a hard choice. I'd rather see prostitution regulated, taxed, and the women involved receiving healthcare than having them hobbing knobs in front of my neighbor's house in broad daylight and then spending the $10 spot on crack in my alley.

 

FWIW, you're positing a rather obviously false dichotomy there. It's not either or.

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UH i was just asking a question on a situation you posed!! You stated you were for legalized prostituion i merely asked if you would be ok with having it next door as well. Apparently not.

 

Pretty sure the zoning board wouldn't put brothels right next door. Why not put it where the Block is (from what I read, it's pretty much already a red light district where you can have sex and beejays in the backroom anyway...so what's the big deal?) or in an industrial district (like I said a few times already)? There are plenty of abandoned or under utilized industrial areas in this town...it ain't like we have hookers next door because we're running out of places for them. Duh. But yeah, had I choice between regulated and taxed prostitution vs street hooker addicts...it's not a hard choice. I'd rather see prostitution regulated, taxed, and the women involved receiving healthcare than having them hobbing knobs in front of my neighbor's house in broad daylight and then spending the $10 spot on crack in my alley.

 

FWIW, you're positing a rather obviously false dichotomy there. It's not either or.

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UH i was just asking a question on a situation you posed!! You stated you were for legalized prostituion i merely asked if you would be ok with having it next door as well. Apparently not.

 

And I was just pointing out I wasn't posing the situation you apparently thought I was...body shops and rendering plants are legal too, that doesn't mean you want them next door.

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In the end I do think legalized prostitution is the right way to go. It will never go away. Why not regulate and tax it?

 

Probably because we have a prohibitionist streak in this country that goes back about as far as Plymouth Rock. We have this ridiculous attachment to the idea that socially scary or bothersome things are best treated by making them illegal (and thereby creating black markets for seedy people to profit by). Anytime you try to block the public from acquiring a commodity for which a great demand exists (guns, booze, hookers, gambling, etc), all you effectively do is create a profit center for people willing to flout the law.

 

Yeah, it's messed up.

 

A better solution is to drop the moralizing and tax and regulate it, for sure.

 

One of the biggest misconceptions I would like to clear up is the idea the USASG guys floated that I'm some sort of fuddy duddy who just doesn't want them to get to get off. Hogwash. I love women. I love sex. I certainly don't want older men to be denied the services of sex workers. I just want them to be able to do it legally in private and with healthy, treated women and not downtrodden addicts they're taking advantage of, who in turn help power the blight that ruins our fair city.

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I doubt that GP thinks his group can stop prostitution but they can get it out of their neighborhood. Crime thrives where it is tolerated. I am going to go out on a limb and guess that there are not hookers walking the street in front of your house or your child's school.

 

No it is not. Butits not to far away.

I do agree its not right being near a school, but a church ? thats not so bad.

God loves everybody right ? Well that includes thoses girls as well.:P

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I doubt that GP thinks his group can stop prostitution but they can get it out of their neighborhood. Crime thrives where it is tolerated. I am going to go out on a limb and guess that there are not hookers walking the street in front of your house or your child's school.

 

Exactly the attitude that you'll never make a difference is not the one to have. Especially when its is your own neighborhood. Expose these perverts maybe some of them will get busted and take it elsewhere

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More Section 8 goodness.

 

The main shooting gallery used by the hookers in Pigtown these days is a house where a crotchety old man (who's threatened to assault me on numerous occasions) lives. He lets the girls use his house for firing up their junk and occasionally for servicing johns and plying their trade.

 

That's right, your tax dollars are funding a brothel. Not more than a mile from downtown. Nice, eh?

 

Ed Norris has been (correctly, I might add) harping on this for years--clean up these petty nuisance crimes and the bigger stuff takes care of itself. If Buck isn't letting the girls ply their trade, they've gotta go somewhere else. If they leave, the thugs have no one to sling rock and smack too. If they cool it, people move back into the city. If they do that, the city has more tax revenue so we're not furloughing police and we can fight crime more effectively.

 

What's hard to understand about that?

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...and it was a rollicking good time! Damn hilarious to be honest.

 

Johns: find someplace else to pick up an unfortunate, drug addicted, destitute woman to take advantage of, it's only getting uglier for you from here.

 

These guys wouldn't tolerate these girls and their "unlicensed pharmacists" hanging around their houses...we don't want them around ours either.

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