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An exit poll shows Chancellor Angela Merkel's conservatives have emerged from Germany's election as the strongest party and are on track to form a new center-right government.

 

Merkel, a conservative, was seeking a second four-year term in Sunday's parliamentary election. She also wanted to end her "grand coalition" with the center-left Social Democrats of challenger Frank-Walter Steinmeier and form a new government with the center-right Free Democrats.

 

Link: http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090927/ap_on_re_eu/eu_germany_elections

 

Good news for the world economy.

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Meanwhile, a low turnout

 

Berlin - Die Politiker aller Parteien haben die Bundestagswahl mal wieder zur Richtungsentscheidung erklärt - doch davon lassen sich die Bürger offenbar nicht beeindrucken: Nach Angaben des Bundeswahlleiters gaben bis 14 Uhr nur 36,1 Prozent aller Wahlberechtigten ihre Stimme ab - bei der vergangenen Wahl 2005 lag die Beteiligung bis zum selben Zeitpunkt noch bei 41,9 Prozent. Das entspricht einem Rückgang von fast sechs Prozentpunkten. Die Stimmen der Briefwähler sind in diesen Zahlen jeweils noch nicht enthalten.

 

 

Insgesamt gingen vor vier Jahren 77,7 Prozent der Bürger wählen. Es war die niedrigste Beteiligung bei allen bisherigen Bundestagswahlen. Dass die Wahlbeteiligung auch dieses Mal nach Schließung der Wahllokale um 18 Uhr geringer als 2005 sein wird, ist angesichts der Zahlen von 14 Uhr absehbar. Am Ende könnte das Minus aber geringer ausfallen: Fast überall ist das Wetter heute sehr schön - gut möglich, dass viele Wähler erst auf dem Rückweg von einem Ausflug wählen gehen. Zudem war in vielen Gemeinden die Zahl der Briefwähler höher als vor vier Jahren.

 

Politician of all parties have declaired the election as a deciding point, but it appears the citizens have not been openly impressed: According to election officials, by 2 p.m. only 36.1 percent of eligible voters cast their votes -- in the last election in 2005 participation at the same point in time ws 41.9% That corresponds to a decline of 6 percentage ponts. Absentee ballots are not counted in this figure.

 

Four year a go, a total of 77.7% of the citizens voted. That was the lowest participation rate of all previous federal elections. That participation this time could be lower by the closing of the polls at 6 p.m. is possible in light of these figures. In the end, the drop could be smaller. The weather is very good almost everywhere, making a good possibility that many voters could cast their ballots upon returning from an outing. Also, in many locales, absentee ballot counts are higher than they were four years ago.

 

As things look now, congratulations to Chancellor Merkel, the CDU/CSU, and the FDP.

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Very bad day for the SPD

 

SPD=Social Democrats, the current junior partner in the governing coalition and a left-center party

 

18.27 Uhr: "Ganz schlimmer Tag für die SPD"

Kaum sind die Ergebnisse draußen, folgen die Reaktionen. Bei der SPD sitzt der Schmerz tief. Björn Böhning, Sprecher des linken Parteiflügels, sprach in der ARD von einem "ganz schlimmen Tag für die Sozialdemokratie". Die SPD müsse eine Grundsatzdiskussion führen. "Ein ’Weiter so’ kann es nicht geben." Berlins Regierender Bürgermeister Klaus Wowereit forderte einen Verjüngungsprozess. Der scheidende Fraktionschef Peter Struck sprach von einer "schweren Stunde".

 

The results are hardly out, and the reactions follow. The pain is deep in the SPD. Björn Böhning, spokesman for the left wing of the part, spoke to [German television network] ARD about a "very bad day for social democracy." The SPD needs to have a discussion about basics. "There can be no more 'carrying-on'." Berlin's ruling mayor Klaus Wowereit called for a rejuvination process. Departing party chief Peter Struck spoke of a "difficult hour."

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Lead candidate of the SPD concedes.

 

Bei der Bundestagswahl zeichnet sich nach den ersten Hochrechnungen der Umfrageinstitute eine stabile Mehrheit für eine schwarz-gelbe Koalition ab. Die SPD hat mit ihrem Spitzenkandidaten Frank-Walter Steinmeier das schlechteste Ergebnis in der Nachkriegsgeschichte erzielt und kommt nur noch auf knapp 23 Prozent. Damit verlor sie mehr als 11 Punkte im Vergleich zu 2004 (34,2 Prozent). Außenminister Steinmeier gestand eine halbe Stunde nach Schließung der Wahllokale eine „bittere Niederlage“ ein. Er kündigte an, als Oppositionsführer in den Bundestag zu ziehen.

 

Intial projections for Bundestag elections by the Survey Institute indicate a stable majority for a black-yellow [colors of the CDU and FDP, respectively] coalition. The SPD under its lead candidate Frank-Walter Steinmeir had its worst results in the post-war period and received just under 23 percent of the vote It lost more than 11 points in comparison to 2004 (34.2%). Foreign Minister Steinmeier admitted a "bitter defeat" a half hour after the close of the polls. He announced that he would be opposition leader in the Bundestag.

 

However, the CDU partner in Bavaria, called the Christian Social Union (CSU), did not fare as well. It received only 41.0% of the vote, the lowest in 50 years, below even its poor showing in state elections last year where it received only 43.4%.

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Lead candidate of the SPD concedes.

 

 

 

However, the CDU partner in Bavaria, called the Christian Social Union (CSU), did not fare as well. It received only 41.0% of the vote, the lowest in 50 years, below even its poor showing in state elections last year where it received only 43.4%.

Bavaria is traditionally very conservative. I'm not surprised they lost a bit of ground.

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Actually, the results were rather mixed.

 

Auch die Union unter der Führung von Bundeskanzlerin Angela Merkel (CDU) musste wieder Verluste hinnehmen. CDU/CSU kommen nur noch auf knapp 33 Prozent (2005: 35,2). Das ist das zweitschlechteste Ergebnis seit 1949. Klarer Wahlsieger ist die FDP, die mit ihrem Spitzenkandidaten Guido Westerwelle um über 5 Punkte auf fast 15 Prozent zulegte (9,8) und damit die Basis für den schwarz-gelben Triumph im vierten Anlauf seit 1998 setzte. Zulegen konnten zudem die Grünen, die sich auf etwa 11 Prozent (8,1) steigerten, und die Linkspartei, die gut 12 Prozent erzielte (8,7). Die erstmals angetretene Piratenpartei erhielt zwei Prozent der Stimmen. Die Wahlbeteiligung lag mit rund 72 Prozent unter der von 2005 (77,7 Prozent).

 

Also, the Union [CDU/CSU] under the leadership of Chancellor Angela Merkel (CDU) has to again accept losses. CDU/CSU came in at just under 33% (2005: 35.2%). That is the second worst performance since 1949. The clear electoral victor was the FDP, with with its lead candidate Guido Westerwell gained over 5 percentage points (9.8% in 2005) and formed the basis for a black-gold triumph in its fourth try since 1998. Winners also include the Greens, which climbed to 11% (8.1% in 2005) and the Left Party [successors to the East German Social Unity (Communist) Party], which reached a good 12% (8.7%). The first time contender Pirate Party got two percent of the vote. Voter participation stood at around 72%, under the mark set in 2005 (77.7%).

 

So, the two major parties suffered losses. The left-wing parties gained, as did the free-market Free Democrats. From what I've seen of the Pirate Party, it seem to be focused on computer privacy and freer access to the works of others (less copyright protection). However, the results will allow the CDU/CSU to form a coalition with the more like-minded FDP. While not an exact analogy to the U.S., it's as if the Republicans had been in a coalition government with the Democrats for the last four years but will now be able to team with the Libertarians.

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The grand coalition was bad for Germany. The CSU's lukewarm results in Bavaria had been predicted for awhile. I think that demographics have been working to their detriment. Younger people are starting to identify less with either of the big German parties with right leaning folks going towards the Free Democrats and left leaning folks towards the Left party and the Greens. I believe that the SPD has said it will never form a coalition in the Bundestag with the Left party who consist of a lot of former communists from the DDR. However that may be changing at the state and local level.

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SomeIdiot--

 

It's been a month since the state elections in Thuringia, and they are still trying to form a coalition government. Talks are underway among the SPD, Greens, and Left Party, but for now the Greens are balking at a coalition with the Left Party to form a red-red-green government (SPD/Left/Green).

 

Es gebe viele Übereinstimmungen in den Programmen, aber nach wie vor große Differenzen in der Finanz-, Bildungs- und Verkehrspolitik, sagte die Grünen-Politikerin und Bundestagsvizepräsidentin Katrin Göring-Eckardt. "Es ist nicht Resignation, aber nach wie vor Skepsis."

 

There are many agreements for a program, but front and back large differences in Finance, Education, and Transportation policies, said Green politician and Bundestag Vice President Katrin Göring-Eckardt. "It is not resignation, but skepticism front and back."

 

It was lead by CDU which had a majority in the Landtag, but even though CDU came in first place, it only got 31.2% of the vote. The Left was right behind at 27.4%.

Edited by Baltimatt

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Na, die meisten Posters können das nicht, deshalb übersetze ich. :)

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I'm glad to see that the FDP did very well. From what I remember they were expected to make big gains in the last election but ended up being bitterly disappointed.

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Does conservative control there mean the end of government health care, or that just the goal of unhinged right-wing extremists?

 

Germany doesn't really have "government health care," at least not in the sense that the UK and Canada do.

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Also, a CDU/FDP coalition government will hardly be "conservative" by US standards. Hell, the FDP's leader (and the likely next foreign minister) hasn't bothered to conceal the fact that he's gay.

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Hrm. Apparently they'll have an openly gay man as the vice-chancellor and foreign minister.

 

Maybe the right wing here in America could learn something from the German conservative movement. People would take your economics a lot more seriously if you didn't have batsh** insane social policies.

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http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20090928/wl_afp/germanyvote

 

Holger Schmieding, head of European economics at Bank of America Merrill Lynch in London, said the vote was "not a revolution."

 

He forecast no dramatic changes but said: "There will be some tax reforms over the next four years, and there will probably be some move towards deregulation modestly in the labour market, and probably some changes in the health-care system."

 

Then there's this tidbit--

 

FDP leader Guido Westerwelle aims to become the country's first openly gay foreign minister.

 

Guido, ehh? I thought he was looking at me funny!

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Oops, you guys beat me to it!

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Maybe the right wing here in America could learn something from the German conservative movement. People would take your economics a lot more seriously if you didn't have batsh** insane social policies.

 

Well, we did have a lesbian Secretary of State under George W. Bush...

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Well, we did have a lesbian Secretary of State under George W. Bush...

 

Not out of the closet though, so it gave the right wing enough room to deny it.

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Not out of the closet though, so it gave the right wing enough room to deny it.

 

Yeah, I know. I basically agree with you about the GOP being hard to take seriously because of the influence that their Taliban wing has.

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Was she a lesbian, or was she having an affair with her boss? We may never know.

 

Fortunately, the Taliban wing has been shooting itself in the foot lately, either with not practicing what it preaches, e.g., Gov. Mark Sanford, or saying things so incredibly stupid ("all pornography is gay") that they look like total fools.

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Anyone who compares the Christian right to the Taliban is totally ignorant as to what the Taliban AND Christianity stand for. It's hard to take anyone with such a partisanly stupid understanding seriously.

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It's hard to take anyone with such a partisanly stupid understanding seriously.

 

Pot, meet kettle.

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Anyone who compares the Christian right to the Taliban is totally ignorant as to what the Taliban AND Christianity stand for. It's hard to take anyone with such a partisanly stupid understanding seriously.

 

And anyone rich who thinks they're a christian and getting into heaven have another thing coming to them too. Same with people who think that faith in christ alone will get them into heaven regardless of deed.

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