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Conservatives, Merkel Prevail in German Election

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Of course the sins of the great great great grandfathers don't count.  But the sins of the father and the grandfather do.

 

I beg you to understand the difference.

 

There's still members of the Hitler Youth living in Germany right NOW.

They are only alive today because they joined when forced to as CHILDREN. The alternative was to be sent to a camp...you DO remember what they were doing to folks in those "camps", don't you? 

 

In the late 30's the Hitler Youth was promoted as their version of the Boy and Girl Scouts, while by 1943-44 it was being mandated as a way of conscripting young boys into an army already heading toward defeat. A 12 year old forced into that situation in 1943, if he survived (and many did not), would be 82 today. Many did not survive.

 

The ADULTS who voted Hitler into power in the 1930's are long dead. Their offspring are in their 80's and 90's. German people my age (postwar births) had NOTHING to do with the Nazi regime.

 

You really need to get over your apparent hate for people who you obviously know nothing about. My father (now deceased) fought in Germany and came home with a Purple Heart to show for it, and as narrow-minded as he could be about some people (particularly minorities) he held no hatred toward Germans after the war (even though as a mortar man in the infantry he saw the type of combat that can sow that kind of hatred). What in the world did today's Germans do to you to make you hate them so much?

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They are only alive today because they joined when forced to as CHILDREN. The alternative was to be sent to a camp...you DO remember what they were doing to folks in those "camps", don't you? 

 

In the late 30's the Hitler Youth was promoted as their version of the Boy and Girl Scouts, while by 1943-44 it was being mandated as a way of conscripting young boys into an army already heading toward defeat. A 12 year old forced into that situation in 1943, if he survived (and many did not), would be 82 today. Many did not survive.

 

The ADULTS who voted Hitler into power in the 1930's are long dead. Their offspring are in their 80's and 90's. German people my age (postwar births) had NOTHING to do with the Nazi regime.

 

You really need to get over your apparent hate for people who you obviously know nothing about. My father (now deceased) fought in Germany and came home with a Purple Heart to show for it, and as narrow-minded as he could be about some people (particularly minorities) he held no hatred toward Germans after the war (even though as a mortar man in the infantry he saw the type of combat that can sow that kind of hatred). What in the world did today's Germans do to you to make you hate them so much?

 

Of course they were forced.  Does that change the fact that they absorbed that at a very influential age ?  Of course not.

 

Trust me, those krauts in the Hitler Youth still maintain a seed (albeit forced WAY down deep by us Americans, who beat the crap out of them in WWII) of racial superiority.

 

fyi - I'm blond haired, blue eyed.  A vertible Nazi recruiting poster type.

 

But alas, I'm educated.  And believe that what a person is born with is relatively nothing.  It's what you DO after you're born that counts.

 

And if what you primarily do is Whine nowadays, you're probably not gonna inherit the Earth.

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SPD approves coalition with CDU/CSU

Germany's Social Democrats voted overwhelmingly in favor of joining a "grand coalition" with Chancellor Angela Merkel's conservatives on Saturday, clearing the way for a new right-left government that will take office on Tuesday.  Merkel's Christian Democrats (CDU) and their Bavarian sister party, the Christian Social Union (CSU), won the September 22 election but fell short of a majority. They needed a partner and spent much of the last three months negotiating a coalition deal with the arch rival SPD, which came a distant second.

 

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The SPD said 76 percent of its grassroots members who took part in the unprecedented postal ballot voted to join forces with the conservatives despite initial misgivings. The SPD said 256,643 voted "yes" while 80,921 voted "no". Some 32,000 ballots were invalid.

 

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Germans haven't been relative for 40 years.

 

Who care what those Jew killers do now ?

Hey, Rip van Kudzu.  It's 2013, not 1948.

 

Germany is a major player in Europe with a strong economy.

 

They aren't killing Jews nowadays.  Instead, Jews are flocking to Germany.

 

For decades after the Holocaust, many Jews harbored an almost instinctive aversion to things German. But today, tens of thousands of Israelis, Jews from the former Soviet Union and even many American Jews are actively choosing German citizenship.  Sound unreal? It’s today’s reality.

 

According to a study by Dr. Sima Salzberg of Bar-Ilan University, 100,000 Israelis have applied for and received German passports.  “This is the largest group of German passport holders in the world outside Germany,” said Emmanuel Nahshon, deputy chief of mission of the Israeli Embassy in Berlin.

 

Edited by Baltimatt

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Many Euopeans participated in the Holicaust, not just Germans. And there is still anti-semitism in Europe. It rises and falls in Germany and everywhere else.

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Hey, Rip van Kudzu.  It's 2013, not 1948.

 

Germany is a major player in Europe with a strong economy.

 

They aren't killing Jews nowadays.  Instead, Jews are flocking to Germany.

 

Yo, Weichmarchtheinsenheimer:

 

The Germans screwed the pooch not once, but twice.

 

They backed the wrong side in WWI, then tried to take over the world in WWII.

 

If two Wrongs don't make a RIght, then what does it make it ?

 

Oh yeah, a big F up.

 

Thank your lucky stars that we let the Germans live after those two fiascos.

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Results are just coming in for today's federal election.

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Die Union mit Kanzlerin Merkel ist laut der ersten ARD-Prognose bei der Bundestagswahl stärkste Kraft - trotz herber Verluste. Die SPD fällt auf ein historisches Tief, die AfD zieht mit einem zweistelligen Ergebnis ins Parlament ein.

The (CDU/CSU) Union with Chancellor Merkel is the strongest power in the Bundestag election according to ARD projections, despite bitter losses.  The SPD falls to a historic low; the AfD enters parliament with a two-digit result.

 

The Union is the center right party.  The SPD is the center left party.  Both have ruled in coalition since the last election.  AfD is an upstart anti-immigrant party.

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Too bad Trace still isn't around. Imagine what he'd think of Merkel now.

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good for her.  shes an amazing woman and is doing the best she can for germany.

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https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/sep/25/afd-leader-frauke-petry-quits-party-german-election-breakthrough

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Germany’s rightwing nationalist party Alternative für Deutschland, in celebratory mode after coming third in elections, was delivered a bombshell by its co-leader on Monday morning after she announced she would not sit with the party in the Bundestag.

Frauke Petry walked out of a press conference at which the party leadership marvelled at its success, having secured 13% of the vote and 88 seats in the federal parliament.

The departure of one of AfD’s most prominent figures illustrates the splits in the party despite its attempts to show a united front during the election campaign.

 

Note the map.  AfD's support was strongest in the former East Germany.

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http://www.dw.com/en/german-election-the-day-after-angela-merkel-leaves-door-open-for-spd-coalition-talks-live-updates/a-40667843

 

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  • German Chancellor Angela Merkel has stated her intention to hold coalition talks with the Social Democrats (SPD), despite leader Martin Schulz saying the party would not enter the government and instead go into opposition.
  • Merkel said she will also hold talks with the Green Party and the business-friendly Free Democrats (FDP).

 

Interesting that the Social Democrats no longer wish to be in a coalition Government.  That means a likely "Jamaica" coalition of black (CDU/CSU), yellow (FDP), and green (Greens), named after the colors of the Jamaica flag.  No one wants to work with the AfD.

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1 hour ago, Baltimatt said:

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/sep/25/afd-leader-frauke-petry-quits-party-german-election-breakthrough

Note the map.  AfD's support was strongest in the former East Germany.

That's interesting but, perhaps they're more affected by the refugee influx.  AFD became the first far-right party to enter parliament in more than half a century

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